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see, i dont think theyre comparing it to anything. i think they playerbase is erroneously comparing the two things. i think blizzard wanted to avoid a "the new combat tree" situation where one tree was far and away superior for everything.

arms, and by association, mortal strike, is not superior for everything. hemorrhage was. it topped raid dps charts, performed awesomely in pvp, and pretty much every rogue was speccing it. not every warrior specs MS, only the pvp ones, just like not every mage specs frost, just the pvp ones. pve damage fire performs much better, and fury or prot are used by dedicated pve warriors.

Then why didn't they make it a 31 point talents?

This would have prevent the Ar/Prep cheese blizzard seems so afraid of, without killing of Sub as a viable tree.



The problem, aaaaaand again, is not solely mortal strike.

But rather that MS is the only thing you can nerf about pvp Warrior without affecting their pve viability.

We can't touch rage generation, weapon damage or other abilities... but we can affect MS.

What else can be nerfed?



Anybody who's pvp'd more then 5 minutes has seen Warriors put out incredible damage in a very short amount of time. We all have our horror stories.

I've seen it in the 1800s, 1900s, 2000s and 2100s bracket. I've seen it in Season 2, when people were walking around with well over 400 Resilience. I have yet to see a Rogue kill my priest partner as fast as some warrior can, nor have I yet to match the warrior's speed in killing similar priests.

You tell me where is the damage then Zip, because it certainly is there.

I'm sure your answer will be along the line of me living in Bizarro world however.




As you like to say yourself - too small of a sample size. It's quite possible that those very specific warrior players got outplayed or out-comped by the very specific opponents they were put against.

Warriors are still the class that's doing the best in Arena in the top 20 of all battlegroup in all formats.







But by nerfing hemo, they're just forcing everybody back into Combat, creating the very situation they're trying to avoid. The few die hard mutilate/shadowstep people are going to stay their favorite specs no matter what happens anyway.

If they don't give us something to make up for it, then it is just a flat out nerf, to a class that, quite frankly, isn't in a position of strenght in pvp (at ther very least).

I know so many people that say the game get changed for pvp constantly, and that pvp centric change ***** up pve. I guess I need to talk to them about this one...

What I don't understand is how this could go Live if it was so broken to begin with. Had it been killed in the egg per say, I don't think we'd be this frustrated.


Edited, Dec 13th 2007 12:47am by Tyrandor

yeah, the current combat situation is kinda ******. i see that as a product of the current state of pvp. the high, steady dps of combat, comboed with the burst-down potential of AR and BF is just so good. that...i dont know how to fix that. buffing sub or mut too much might end up with things like they are now in this thread, but nerfing combat makes no sense.

personally, i think some kind of pvp change as a whole, to the core of pvp, is due. what kind of change i dont know, but i think its better to do that than to maul entire specs of certain classes.

He didn't say it blew it away. He said it topped it. Mongoose or someone else even made a thread with the math on it. When one spec tops PvP and PvE (by whatever margin), in effect making it so good that the only reason to spec anything else is for novelty (I.E. "I like playing this spec so I do."), then there is a huge problem. The fact that all successful arena Rogues--not just most, but all of the Rogues in it purely to win without a preference for playstyle--are currently specced AR/Prep Maces Hemo is yet another red mark and a cry for change.

You had to know this was coming. You don't have to like it, but it was necessary for the benefit of your class and for the Subtlety spec in the long run.

@Quor
Soooo, you are trying to say that MS warriors arent the steamrolling wtfomgbbq pwning class? oh i get it , you think they need a buff or something.

I think you arent seeing the frustration it causes to other classes being totally wrecked, or as an rogue almostly 2 shotted. Rogues absolutley dont stand any chance against MS warriors.

In alot of forums people are complaining about how overpowered warriors are.
So stop defending a powerhouse, the class doenst deserve it.

The hypocrisis of such a comment is incredible.

Let me do a little exercise here:

The fact that all successful arena Warriors--not just most, but all of the Warriors in it purely to win without a preference for playstyle--are currently specced MS is yet another red mark and a cry for change.

The fact that all successful arena Mages--not just most, but all of the Mages in it purely to win without a preference for playstyle--are currently specced WE is yet another red mark and a cry for change.

The fact that all successful arena Hunters--not just most, but all of the Hunters in it purely to win without a preference for playstyle--are currently specced BW is yet another red mark and a cry for change.

Do I need to go on?

Rogues aren't the worse off the class... no, that's for sure. But we're not doing very well and we're downright terrible in the one arena bracket that Blizzard claim is balanced - 5v5.

If anything, we needed the 'power boost' this spec was given us.