Ret 2.3+Follow

@ 5v5s. wonder how impressed people would be if i posted pics of my team losing the majority of my games, likely due to my ****** spec. ???

@ 2v2s. The best part of those "leet" pics is how little points a lot of those teams gave you. Indicating they were ranked quite a bit lower than you with your already ****** rating.

And trust me i am an expert on ****** ratings.

I am reminded of the winnar in the special olympics.

take his word for it. you have no idea till you hear him over vent when we get roflstomped.....

but he is all smiles when we are winning.....

=P

everyone has their off nights... suck it up you fem....

well if you wouldnt have a hissy fit every time we loose, leave the group and log, we might actually recoup the games instead of just sitting there after 4 losses.

look up whinyhomoghey in the dictionary and you will see yout toon next to it.....

in 5v5, every team had a healer or two. whether or not they were able to utilize those heals is the point. fact is we finished 6-4(winning record) and moved up some ranking. all in all we got the job done. i will argue that we would have been more successful if we had our pally healer sub in for the least productive teammate. i will also argue that the least productive teammate is NOT the ret pally.

in 2v2 we were as high as 1590, got greedy, lost our chemistry and then dropped below 1500. our focus fire seemed to work well, when we had no focus we dogged. the argument i will make here is when focus firing, who is the weak link? the ret pally or the BM hunter. do i spec Holy and heal a subpar hunter? i would say given the circumstance, ret spec is ideal here.

last point i will make is the "your crits will suck at higher levels". so will everyone elses. hence the higher AP, higher Resil, higher Stam, higher Armor. contrary to what you read, pvp on a ret pally is more than just building a crit factory. also contrary to what you read, we are not a 3min mage type. a ret pally's offensive is only limited by his mana. otherwise it is 100% everytime, all the time. no combos or rage build up, no POM CDs, no cast times, silence-frieldly attacks, virtually unrootable. a good ret pally with a healer behind him can be used as a wrecking ball just as much as a warrior.

Sadly your MP could be drained so fast from either vipersting or mana burn if the other team even possibly considers you to be a threat.

Vipersting can go to hell btw. that stupid imp sting talent or whatever that makes it take 20 cleanses just to get rid of. Add scorpid poisons and.... goddamn.

you are sooo clueless. every priest mana burns. ANd you are not going to be 3 shotting anything.

and good luck cleansing talented viper sting.

Edited, Dec 18th 2007 10:56am by KTurner

i never said they didnt, just said the 2+ seconds it takes to burn is 2+ seconds: not healing, bubbling, flaying. i had a priest mana burning me as i was killing a rogue in EotS, i killed rogue and already had priest on target cuz he was casting on me...repent + 3 shot = dead. i remember this cuz it actually happened, plz dont tell me.


most of the time i wont cleanse it, cuz the mana to cleanse it > mana drained. i'd rather see a viper sting try to eat 6k mp than have something on me that might matter, like wavern.

No. Nowhere. In all non-PvP gear against PvP gear maybe, but full S1, not to mention S2 and S3, does not see anyone three-shotted. Ever. Priests and 'Locks will stand there in BG's with half a dozen people beating on them and still take a half an hour to kill. Mages go down quick to focus fire, but between Blink, Ice Barrier, Ice Block, and all their ways to immobolize you...

A Ret Pally is not going to waltz up to them in the arena and do on his own what an angry mob cannot.

im just a firm believer in a Ret's ability to serve unrelenting dmg while still taking it. i just haven't been able to mix the right team together to exploit/execute this potential nor have i put in the effort to fully gear myself. i have a hard time going into battles and healing players that i know that will produce results way less than i could do. this also made me go shadow on my priest.

in AV today a War gave up and told everyone to farm kills. being part of the offensive i yelled at him to take back bunkers instead. then he ret-lawled me and told me to heal, so i told him i would if he could out-dmg me. his excuses started to fly when i went back on D to farm and doubled him by the end of the match. F that.

hence the soaking up dmg, consecrating stealth, stunning the casters...while doing the dmg. in a focus fire, the rogues and hunters dont need to do much more than open up the hurt. even if they are CCing, i would think/hope the dmg and survival would be on par or greater than the pally.

Oh my fucking god, enough is enough.

Ret is fine. It's FINE, okay? It's not the best PvP spec, and it's not the worst. It's fairly good especially at lower ratings, although it falls apart somewhat once you get higher; in the easier brackets BoP and an additional bubble are fairly strong tools, plus you get a free BoFreedom. Would it be my first choice? Probably not. Will it do well enough to get to 1800, especially in 3v3? I'd be shocked if it didn't. All you need is a brain; group composition doesn't really play a part beyond the very basics (Do you have a healer? Y/N Do you have any damage? Y/N Okay, go ahead!) until 2000 or higher.

It's also okay in PvE. Not great, not the worst either. It has a moderately nice debuff and lets Holyadins be lazy with reapplying their Judgements, and the damage isn't too bad either when properly supported in a melee group (hiyo, Shaman). It also gives you an additional blessing, which may or may not matter at all.

Ret is not the second coming of Christ, tommy. Ret is not some unholy abomination, kt and bodhi. For the love of god, shut up about it and let it go! I've been reading this forum for about a year and it's ALWAYS been this sparring ground about Ret. Let it the fuck go and move on! Nobody is going to change anyone's mind at this point.

No, pictures of you doing awesome in a BG don't matter. Neither do Arena screenshots, really. But neither does ******** about it for this goddamn long! LET IT GO!

Tommy, no offense, but you're always going to do... decently. You seem to be a fairly good player with horrible gear, so you'll always exceed the expectations of those around you in a similar gear bracket... they tend to be morons as a general rule. Using a brain means you'll obliterate them.

bodhiturner, you'll likewise also almost always be in a higher gear bracket. You have the advantage of a bit more perspective. Has that actually managed to convince him in all this time? Do you really think it ever will? Let it go, smile a little arrogant smirk every time you see him post, and move on.

Edited, Dec 19th 2007 2:41am by RPZip

Least I tried.