(vent mode)
You know, I run with a pretty good guild over on Bonechewer. The main bulk of us are currently in our low/mid 40's, with the GM and one of the other members being a r/l married couple. My main is a 46 prot tank pally who tanks instances with them. We have a priest, shaman, and a mage all about the same levels who run together a lot with me along with other random guildies that know their role well and are pretty competant in playing their class.
...except hunters.
Hunter #1 ran with us when we first took on SM. He insisted that his pet could tank, pulled everything around us while we were refershing life/mana, and would not listen to instruction. We eventually booted him both from the party, and later the guild, and we were actually able to run SM easier 4-manning it than with him along.
Hunter #2 just hit 39 and is wanting a SM run. I'm glad to tank for fellow guildies who need a run through, but haven't been able to get a group together (he has a habit of asking for a run at 11pm at night, when most folks are in bed). I ask him what wing he needs ran, and if he's in it for quests or certain drops. He tells me he wants Ravager and Herod's Shoulders, both of which are great for a warrior, but have no benefit for a hunter. (shoulders have +sta and str buffs, Ravager is just a big melee axe with a proc on it), I try to explain that neither item is good for a hunter, as he shouldn't be melee'ing and the shoulders have no benefit to hunters. He answers "I want to get a jump start on getting mail items", nevermind the fact that +agility leather gear is better than early mail gear every time (bangs head)
Hunter #3 is a friend of Hunter #2 and just joined the guild last night. He's lvl 16 atm. Right off the bat:
Hunter: Can someone run me through Gnomer
me: no, you're too low a level and I don't do instance blow-throughs, anyway.
hunter: but there's some bracers there I want, and I only have white bracers now. Why can't I take anything out of the guild bank. Can someone just give me some gear/gold?
I'm whispering back and forth with the GM, "lol, here we go again"
Last night, I said "heck with it". I started a hunter myself and am going to power level him as fast as I can JUST so we can have one who has a clue what he's doing for instances X_X
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Well the second hunter wasn't really all that bad. The other 2 on the other hand would get really annoying and I wouldn't keep them in my guild. When I was guild leader the moment a new person in the guild started begging I would warn them to stop. If they begged a second time I kicked them.
As for the Second hunter. He is just doing what most hunters at that lvl do. Go for the first Mail set close to their lvl range as possible. "the only other set of full mail is gladiator in BRD at lvl 52 and even though its more helpful to a hunter it still isn't really a "Hunter Set"
Help the lad. He will learn. =D
As for the Second hunter. He is just doing what most hunters at that lvl do. Go for the first Mail set close to their lvl range as possible. "the only other set of full mail is gladiator in BRD at lvl 52 and even though its more helpful to a hunter it still isn't really a "Hunter Set"
Help the lad. He will learn. =D
But its hunters like that which gives the good ones a bad name. I'm retiring my 70 hunter because on my server, just about every end game guild is full on hunters, and finding heroics are nearly impossible -.- I'd just start my own guild and not have this problem, but I dont have the connections in the server to do it -.-
I really don't have any problem with hunters like #3, clearly that's a kid and doesn't know any better until someone wises them up. If I have a spare moment, I'll educate them. If not, they'll learn it the hard way. You have to work for what you want. If it's given to you, you become a laughingstock. Nothing worse than a high level character in awesome gear that can't play right. L2P and put in the time to get the stuff.
Hunter #2 isn't a problem either. Just a lack of knowing what to get and when. Been there, done that, have the souvenir. Not eveyone is fully aware of how to play their class or when and what to upgrade. I'd direct that person to Alla ASAP. Tell them that 60 minutes of reading here will save them weeks of game time.
Hunter #1 is just a pain. Proper way to handle them was done. Mark them down on the "Never group with this idiot" list.
Not all Hunters are worthless, just need to know how to look. You can find the right ones even for a PUG if you spam for them correctly, just use the right words. I avoid any PUG's that are advertised in l33t speak. I will respond to adverts like "Need DPS for UB run. Experienced CC, Pet Hand, and instance knowledge a must." If the guy shows up in worthless gear and has a low level pet in tow, you know to let them go.
It's really up to the group leader to take control and vette out the chaff. Some people take training and instruction well, others don't. I avoid those folks like the plague because I don't know any perfect players, despite those who will post in response to this that they are. Egotists. :p
Guilds have this responsibility as well. If it's an end-game guild, they all do this anyway just for point of survival. Good end game guilds don't hold onto bad hunters. Levelling guilds do hold onto bad ones. If they let anyone in, then it's up to the guild to make sure their members get properly trained. Some guilds are only interested in max numbers of members, if the player isn't dead they let them in. Some guilds (like mine) are friends guilds, players try to help each other be better but in the end, being a friend is more important than telling someone they just don't have what it takes and booting them.
Finding a 'good' hunter can be done, but you have to put work into it, just like anything else in WoW.
Hunter #2 isn't a problem either. Just a lack of knowing what to get and when. Been there, done that, have the souvenir. Not eveyone is fully aware of how to play their class or when and what to upgrade. I'd direct that person to Alla ASAP. Tell them that 60 minutes of reading here will save them weeks of game time.
Hunter #1 is just a pain. Proper way to handle them was done. Mark them down on the "Never group with this idiot" list.
Not all Hunters are worthless, just need to know how to look. You can find the right ones even for a PUG if you spam for them correctly, just use the right words. I avoid any PUG's that are advertised in l33t speak. I will respond to adverts like "Need DPS for UB run. Experienced CC, Pet Hand, and instance knowledge a must." If the guy shows up in worthless gear and has a low level pet in tow, you know to let them go.
It's really up to the group leader to take control and vette out the chaff. Some people take training and instruction well, others don't. I avoid those folks like the plague because I don't know any perfect players, despite those who will post in response to this that they are. Egotists. :p
Guilds have this responsibility as well. If it's an end-game guild, they all do this anyway just for point of survival. Good end game guilds don't hold onto bad hunters. Levelling guilds do hold onto bad ones. If they let anyone in, then it's up to the guild to make sure their members get properly trained. Some guilds are only interested in max numbers of members, if the player isn't dead they let them in. Some guilds (like mine) are friends guilds, players try to help each other be better but in the end, being a friend is more important than telling someone they just don't have what it takes and booting them.
Finding a 'good' hunter can be done, but you have to put work into it, just like anything else in WoW.
Hell, I was still wearing leather items into my low 50's cause I couldn't find any mail items that helped me. I don't know what it is about the hunter class that just seems to attract idiots but fret no longer, there are good ones out there. My guild has quite a few.
Hunters are the only class out there that requires multi-tasking in every single fight. I don't mean to say that mages who CC and DPS are not multi tasking, what i'm saying is that a Hunter has to know when his trap is on cooldown, where his pet is, when his last auto-shot was so he can do a steady/auto rotation, be aware of other CC'd mobs so he doesn't multi-shot and un-CC them, (before dead-zone change) had to watch his back or get in position without pulling aggro from all around, know where the tank is so they can Misdirect on them, watch his pets health so he can mend pet in time, watch his mana so he knows when to pot.......
I'm sure every other class has some portion of these things, but not all of these, so unless someone gives them some advice or they read forums all the time, they are not going to learn everything, or learn it very fast anyway.
So the moral of this story is.... READ THE STICKY!!! =D
I'm sure every other class has some portion of these things, but not all of these, so unless someone gives them some advice or they read forums all the time, they are not going to learn everything, or learn it very fast anyway.
So the moral of this story is.... READ THE STICKY!!! =D
I rolled a hunter as my very first character, as I was totally entranced by the notion of being a (ranged) melee with a pet. Through extensive online research I have, since day 1, tried my hardest to not be like all these huntards I have read so much about.
I'm not the greatest hunter. I'm not even a great hunter. But I know I'm not a huntard. I lay my traps early and out of the line of the pull. I rotate my shots best I can (I don't use a macro for it). I FD early and as often as I can remember (which doesn't always happen, poor memory coupled with ADHD).
And I never asked for handouts.
Should I repeat?
I NEVER ASKED FOR HANDOUTS!
This aspect of the game has been driving me crazy since the day I started playing. People who wanted to bypass the original experience of the game for the sake of quick, unrewarding satisfaction. When I joined my current guild at lv 40 they told me "go ahead, whatever runs you want, let us know, we'll take you through them." It was a very generous offer but honestly, that wasn't how I wanted to do it. If I was going to run through an instance I wanted to do it the old-fashioned way, with a group of similar-level players. Now, that doesn't mean I never got a run through an instance via the help of some lv 70 guildmates, as it did occur, but I was always offered a spot in the group which I was more than happy to oblige to taking (I'm not "that" stupid lol).
Every day since I hit lv 70 I have received at least one whisper per day from some random person whom I do not know asking either for:
A: gold
B: instance runs
C: help leveling
HELP LEVELING??? I certainly can't believe that one either, but people do indeed ask me to help them level up, saying that it's too hard for them. WTF? They can't really be serious. As for the other two requests, I typically just ignore them but if they persist then they join my /ignore list.
Anyway, OP, if you truly believe that every hunter out there sucks by virtue of simply "being a hunter" then please do not despair and keep in mind it is the player behind the mouse and keyboard that dictates the noobiness of the hunter, not the class itself.
edit: As I now recall, I did in fact specifically ask some lv 70s in my guild once to run me through the Sunken Temple instance so that I might complete a few quests rotting in my log. Nobody's perfect :)
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 4:04pm by Tavarde
I'm not the greatest hunter. I'm not even a great hunter. But I know I'm not a huntard. I lay my traps early and out of the line of the pull. I rotate my shots best I can (I don't use a macro for it). I FD early and as often as I can remember (which doesn't always happen, poor memory coupled with ADHD).
And I never asked for handouts.
Should I repeat?
I NEVER ASKED FOR HANDOUTS!
This aspect of the game has been driving me crazy since the day I started playing. People who wanted to bypass the original experience of the game for the sake of quick, unrewarding satisfaction. When I joined my current guild at lv 40 they told me "go ahead, whatever runs you want, let us know, we'll take you through them." It was a very generous offer but honestly, that wasn't how I wanted to do it. If I was going to run through an instance I wanted to do it the old-fashioned way, with a group of similar-level players. Now, that doesn't mean I never got a run through an instance via the help of some lv 70 guildmates, as it did occur, but I was always offered a spot in the group which I was more than happy to oblige to taking (I'm not "that" stupid lol).
Every day since I hit lv 70 I have received at least one whisper per day from some random person whom I do not know asking either for:
A: gold
B: instance runs
C: help leveling
HELP LEVELING??? I certainly can't believe that one either, but people do indeed ask me to help them level up, saying that it's too hard for them. WTF? They can't really be serious. As for the other two requests, I typically just ignore them but if they persist then they join my /ignore list.
Anyway, OP, if you truly believe that every hunter out there sucks by virtue of simply "being a hunter" then please do not despair and keep in mind it is the player behind the mouse and keyboard that dictates the noobiness of the hunter, not the class itself.
edit: As I now recall, I did in fact specifically ask some lv 70s in my guild once to run me through the Sunken Temple instance so that I might complete a few quests rotting in my log. Nobody's perfect :)
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 4:04pm by Tavarde
The only time I would even consider it an acceptable thing to ask a 70 to run you through an instance is if your trying to gear a twink up. Say you want your druid geared up at 19, you would ask a high lvl player (a friend I hope) if they wouldn't mind helping you get the full viper set from WC and a few other good pieces for you.
If you just want a free ride through something just cause *ITS TO HARD* then, Go play hello kitties play house.
I don't like the tells asking for gear or items or junk. I help guildies if they need help and can't get a group. (Ive been there done that.) I feel their pain as I have about 12 toons in various lvls from 13-40. That is just my toons that have actually been to an instance or 2.
If you just want a free ride through something just cause *ITS TO HARD* then, Go play hello kitties play house.
I don't like the tells asking for gear or items or junk. I help guildies if they need help and can't get a group. (Ive been there done that.) I feel their pain as I have about 12 toons in various lvls from 13-40. That is just my toons that have actually been to an instance or 2.
Hcddog, please dont let this reflect on the good hunters.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
They're low level. You can expect that from low leveled characters. Now, if they were level 70 and wearing Shaman gear while insisting on doing every pull, then you could have a problem.
the first guy will eventually learn that he's not as macho as he thinks. His pet won't scale well enough to tank higher level instances (I would say that Zul Farak is the highest level instance that a pet can be an off-tank). He might even get kicked out of enough groups to get the hint to not be stupid.
The second hunter just needs to be taught that not all mail is designed for a hunter. Perhaps they weren't told early enough that they need to focus on Agility first, then stamina/Int next, and to avoid str. I was taught that by my boyfriend as soon as I had green gear available to me, and the only piece of gear that I've ever worn that wasn't tailored for hunters was some leather boots with a ton of stamina on them.
The third hunter is low level. You have to expect that. There are a lot of people that understand that it's not acceptable to ask for free hand-outs, but there are also a lot of people who just don't get it. If you don't hand things out, they'll stop asking.
And these aren't even just hunter issues. The first and third dude happens with EVERY class. I've seen mages and warlocks that just REALLY want to be tanks, and warriors who can't hold aggro to save their life. We've all also had the guildy that doesn't get that higher level people want to do higher level things- not run lowbies through instances without getting anything for it.
The gear issue is just something that's a bit tough for new hunters to deal with. We have the widest gear range out of all classes. We start out wearing leather, which comes in DPS and healer varieties. Then we go to mail which ranges from hunter to shaman gear. Shaman gear also ranges from DPS to Resto, so there are huge differences there.
the first guy will eventually learn that he's not as macho as he thinks. His pet won't scale well enough to tank higher level instances (I would say that Zul Farak is the highest level instance that a pet can be an off-tank). He might even get kicked out of enough groups to get the hint to not be stupid.
The second hunter just needs to be taught that not all mail is designed for a hunter. Perhaps they weren't told early enough that they need to focus on Agility first, then stamina/Int next, and to avoid str. I was taught that by my boyfriend as soon as I had green gear available to me, and the only piece of gear that I've ever worn that wasn't tailored for hunters was some leather boots with a ton of stamina on them.
The third hunter is low level. You have to expect that. There are a lot of people that understand that it's not acceptable to ask for free hand-outs, but there are also a lot of people who just don't get it. If you don't hand things out, they'll stop asking.
And these aren't even just hunter issues. The first and third dude happens with EVERY class. I've seen mages and warlocks that just REALLY want to be tanks, and warriors who can't hold aggro to save their life. We've all also had the guildy that doesn't get that higher level people want to do higher level things- not run lowbies through instances without getting anything for it.
The gear issue is just something that's a bit tough for new hunters to deal with. We have the widest gear range out of all classes. We start out wearing leather, which comes in DPS and healer varieties. Then we go to mail which ranges from hunter to shaman gear. Shaman gear also ranges from DPS to Resto, so there are huge differences there.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
His pet won't scale well enough to tank higher level instances (I would say that Zul Farak is the highest level instance that a pet can be an off-tank).
Of course, it takes the right group to pull it off, and any Outlands instance would be beyond his tanking capabilities, but pre-tbc instances you can actually MT with a BM Hunter. Slightly inefficient, but possible.
Darigraz wrote:
Hcddog, please dont let this reflect on the good hunters.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
I disagree with this statement.
I melee'd up until lvl 6, when I learned arcane shot and serpent sting, then whenever a mob got in range, I kited back, jump while shooting arcane shot forward, and repeat until dead. Add in Concussion shot at lvl 8 to get even more distance.
I haven't even swung my melee weapon since lvl 6, nor have I had to. I believe that's how a hunter is supposed to be played.
I just turned 12 and got hamstring, and I'll have to go beat on some easy mobs to get my weapon skill up so it will connect when needed. If I get in melee range now, the procedure is hamstring, kite back, jump+concussion, get distance, unload arcane and autoshot, while pet hopefully gets aggro back. Just standing there melee'ing with something is not using your skills what they were designed for.
hcddog wrote:
[quote=Darigraz]
I just turned 12 and got hamstring, and I'll have to go beat on some easy mobs to get my weapon skill up so it will connect when needed. If I get in melee range now, the procedure is hamstring, kite back, jump+concussion, get distance, unload arcane and autoshot, while pet hopefully gets aggro back. Just standing there melee'ing with something is not using your skills what they were designed for.
I just turned 12 and got hamstring, and I'll have to go beat on some easy mobs to get my weapon skill up so it will connect when needed. If I get in melee range now, the procedure is hamstring, kite back, jump+concussion, get distance, unload arcane and autoshot, while pet hopefully gets aggro back. Just standing there melee'ing with something is not using your skills what they were designed for.
Wing Clip, huntard.
I really hate hearing about this crap.
First off not all hunters suck. and not all retarded players pick hunters, sure its easy to say, but its stupid. one of the main reasons low level players (Players that have not reached level 70) consider all hunters to be retarded is that a hunter really does not get the full understanding of the group role they hold until level 70, granted that is for first time players on there first character, with no outside influences.
Also a hunters traps suck balls at lower levels, so they dont get the awsome cc that lets say a low level mage may have.
there are many bad bad players in this game and not all of them are hunters. stop saying that 'WHY IS IT THAT ALL BAD PLAYERS I SEE ARE PLAYING HUNTERS" bullsh*t.
thats like saying only black people like watermelon.. i LOVE watermelon and im white. so stop stereotyping and go change some godam opinions
Edited, Dec 12th 2007 2:48am by Slammerofkooter
First off not all hunters suck. and not all retarded players pick hunters, sure its easy to say, but its stupid. one of the main reasons low level players (Players that have not reached level 70) consider all hunters to be retarded is that a hunter really does not get the full understanding of the group role they hold until level 70, granted that is for first time players on there first character, with no outside influences.
Also a hunters traps suck balls at lower levels, so they dont get the awsome cc that lets say a low level mage may have.
there are many bad bad players in this game and not all of them are hunters. stop saying that 'WHY IS IT THAT ALL BAD PLAYERS I SEE ARE PLAYING HUNTERS" bullsh*t.
thats like saying only black people like watermelon.. i LOVE watermelon and im white. so stop stereotyping and go change some godam opinions
Edited, Dec 12th 2007 2:48am by Slammerofkooter
I really think that the trouble with hunters seeming incompetent comes from the very wide spread between the skill it takes to just get by and the skill it takes to play a hunter well.
Petattack + autoshot + mend pet = Lvl 70 hunter, if you don't mind being bored out of your mind for months on end. So, unless a hunter is made aware that there are more optimal ways to play the class, there is nothing to indicate to newbies that this sequence is not the best way to go about things. We can survive without being any good, unlike mages for example.
That said, I read these forums regularly, and do plenty of research before embarking on any instance or other project. And I just got quite a lot of kudos from my guild for topping the damage meters on my first run in Kara. (And this is a good guild - the fourth guild run, and we one-shotted every boss up to Prince except Shade and Prince himself. Less than 6 total hours from official start time to porting out.) I didn't mis-pull or forget a MD the whole time. The other hunter running with me is was BM/SV, so he didn't do as much damage, but he kept his mobs on ice without fail.
Point is - most other classes will be forced to learn how to play well, if not optimally, simply to survive. We only learn to play well if we want to learn.
Petattack + autoshot + mend pet = Lvl 70 hunter, if you don't mind being bored out of your mind for months on end. So, unless a hunter is made aware that there are more optimal ways to play the class, there is nothing to indicate to newbies that this sequence is not the best way to go about things. We can survive without being any good, unlike mages for example.
That said, I read these forums regularly, and do plenty of research before embarking on any instance or other project. And I just got quite a lot of kudos from my guild for topping the damage meters on my first run in Kara. (And this is a good guild - the fourth guild run, and we one-shotted every boss up to Prince except Shade and Prince himself. Less than 6 total hours from official start time to porting out.) I didn't mis-pull or forget a MD the whole time. The other hunter running with me is was BM/SV, so he didn't do as much damage, but he kept his mobs on ice without fail.
Point is - most other classes will be forced to learn how to play well, if not optimally, simply to survive. We only learn to play well if we want to learn.
Slam speaks the truth. My guild has a huntard (from levels 45 to 59 he wore a GREY chest piece enchanted with +50 health). We have a wearily stupid warrior who can't hold aggro at all (we pointed this out during a guild BF run and he asked to see a ?tanking meter?.. low and behold everyone -except me- took more damage than him.) We have one of the worst mages I've seen...
Every class has it's tards. It's rather arrogant to think otherwise. "Well MY class..."
Every class has it's tards. It's rather arrogant to think otherwise. "Well MY class..."
#1...
I've seen players both like this and opposite of this (going afk for 2 minutes after every pull) in several classes. In VC I've seen a druid healer running ahead of the group (lowest level in group) and in mana tombs I've seen a warrior that went afk for at least 2 minutes (I laid traps 3 times before he pulled and I'm not SV specced) after literally EVERY fight. Maybe these guys DO get booted, but honestly people are too tolerant of them IMO. They just ignore it because they dont want to LFM or try to 4-man it. Btw if you're 46 and going through SM Cath at 46, you can probably 4-man it. I almost solod SM Lib when I was 37/38 (but one fight was so long I had repops to deal with). This guy should maybe eventually learn, unfortunately he probably wont until his mid-60s. By end-game, this guy will probably figure it out or have given up, or more likely be ruining the BG experience for his teammates.
#2...
This guy may never learn, but you should try now. Out of the 5 people at work that play, 4 of us are hunters (the other has a 70 hunter but its not his main). I've had to explain to 2 of the 3 others that fiery is not the enchant they want. This guy needs to come here and read the sticky ASAP so he knows what kind of gear to get and can learn how to spec. If he decides "I want to get what I want and I wont listen to advice" I'd just kick him. If he realizes "Hey, maybe should get agi/stam/int instead of procs/str" then he's learning.
#3...
I'd put that guy on a very short leash. There's one guy in my guild who begs a lot, has withdrawn quite a bit of gold for a mid-30's guy, and is a general pita. For whoever said that if you dont give handouts he'll shut up, you are WRONG. This guy will beg in guild chat, if nobody answers he'll beg using specific names, and if nobody answers he'll whisper people. If you say "no" he'll give up, but a half hour later he's begging again. Whoever said warn once then kick, I agree with.
I've seen players both like this and opposite of this (going afk for 2 minutes after every pull) in several classes. In VC I've seen a druid healer running ahead of the group (lowest level in group) and in mana tombs I've seen a warrior that went afk for at least 2 minutes (I laid traps 3 times before he pulled and I'm not SV specced) after literally EVERY fight. Maybe these guys DO get booted, but honestly people are too tolerant of them IMO. They just ignore it because they dont want to LFM or try to 4-man it. Btw if you're 46 and going through SM Cath at 46, you can probably 4-man it. I almost solod SM Lib when I was 37/38 (but one fight was so long I had repops to deal with). This guy should maybe eventually learn, unfortunately he probably wont until his mid-60s. By end-game, this guy will probably figure it out or have given up, or more likely be ruining the BG experience for his teammates.
#2...
This guy may never learn, but you should try now. Out of the 5 people at work that play, 4 of us are hunters (the other has a 70 hunter but its not his main). I've had to explain to 2 of the 3 others that fiery is not the enchant they want. This guy needs to come here and read the sticky ASAP so he knows what kind of gear to get and can learn how to spec. If he decides "I want to get what I want and I wont listen to advice" I'd just kick him. If he realizes "Hey, maybe should get agi/stam/int instead of procs/str" then he's learning.
#3...
I'd put that guy on a very short leash. There's one guy in my guild who begs a lot, has withdrawn quite a bit of gold for a mid-30's guy, and is a general pita. For whoever said that if you dont give handouts he'll shut up, you are WRONG. This guy will beg in guild chat, if nobody answers he'll beg using specific names, and if nobody answers he'll whisper people. If you say "no" he'll give up, but a half hour later he's begging again. Whoever said warn once then kick, I agree with.
well i have a 70 hunter and i see many other classes at 70 that do things very wrong for their class let alone at mid levels where it is completely random to whether they know what they are doing , seen clothies melee ??? seen rogues trying to do ranged attacks , seen rogues trying to tank as well
seen a level 70 lock that would not tank his pet ?
all this in normal play no instances involved
i once grouped with a couple of druids a warrior and a hunter and a rogue the higher level druid had no real idea as the two druids were the only healers , and i was that lower druid trying to heal the warrior and save my butt from the agro i got for trying , in the end just 3 of us were left , the warrior hunter and me a druid 6 levels below the other two yet we managed to get what we went in for despite with 5 players we wiped 5 times and with 3 only once
i do not do any instances as my guild is tiny and we are rarely all on or enough of us on at the right levels
i also suffer from the huntard tag and get few asking to group yet those that do group always seem surprised (although i know i am not the greatest hunter) they always seem to think i am good
i know i am still learning my role yet even early on i knew i stand at range let tank or pet get agro stand back and just shoot , in a group i let main tank do his job and i either shoot the tanks mob or protect the healers / cloth wearers with my pet ( growl turned off ) doing whatever is needed , thats the main thing i see with most hunters they either get to much agro and have to melee or the pet is attacking the wrong mob which leads again to getting into melee , when saving the healers i turn pets growl on of course , which seems to work
the main thing i guess i am trying to say is having a guild behind you is good but only if you and the other members are willing to listen and learn from each other , its no good expecting others to be perfect when first starting , in my guild i as well as the others are willing to point any class in the right direction for their classes , and as i have played all classes except warrior up to about level 40 i guess i have a pretty good idea what they should be doing
the main thing i guess is when you try a group with an unknown player is to talk about how you need the game played before going into an instance so that "everyone " knows what their role is , if that new player does not agree then he/she should not be in the group
but of course that is on the understanding that group members understand how each class can be played and on what spec each is , i once was in a group with a warrior that attacked everything that moved and lost agro , you guessed it we wiped and i got the blame as my pet died and i had 4 elites beating me to a pulp as the stupid warrior got them to close for me to shoot them , the warrior thought he was perfect yet he caused the wipes
another time a priest was spamming moonfire ? and getting agro and did no healing sent my pet to help and yup pet died within seconds and we wiped , yup guess what i as hunter got the blame ?
since then i only group in instances with people i have played with or others that are known as reasonable players by my friends , seems the hunter is always blamed yet other classes are just as bad
seen a level 70 lock that would not tank his pet ?
all this in normal play no instances involved
i once grouped with a couple of druids a warrior and a hunter and a rogue the higher level druid had no real idea as the two druids were the only healers , and i was that lower druid trying to heal the warrior and save my butt from the agro i got for trying , in the end just 3 of us were left , the warrior hunter and me a druid 6 levels below the other two yet we managed to get what we went in for despite with 5 players we wiped 5 times and with 3 only once
i do not do any instances as my guild is tiny and we are rarely all on or enough of us on at the right levels
i also suffer from the huntard tag and get few asking to group yet those that do group always seem surprised (although i know i am not the greatest hunter) they always seem to think i am good
i know i am still learning my role yet even early on i knew i stand at range let tank or pet get agro stand back and just shoot , in a group i let main tank do his job and i either shoot the tanks mob or protect the healers / cloth wearers with my pet ( growl turned off ) doing whatever is needed , thats the main thing i see with most hunters they either get to much agro and have to melee or the pet is attacking the wrong mob which leads again to getting into melee , when saving the healers i turn pets growl on of course , which seems to work
the main thing i guess i am trying to say is having a guild behind you is good but only if you and the other members are willing to listen and learn from each other , its no good expecting others to be perfect when first starting , in my guild i as well as the others are willing to point any class in the right direction for their classes , and as i have played all classes except warrior up to about level 40 i guess i have a pretty good idea what they should be doing
the main thing i guess is when you try a group with an unknown player is to talk about how you need the game played before going into an instance so that "everyone " knows what their role is , if that new player does not agree then he/she should not be in the group
but of course that is on the understanding that group members understand how each class can be played and on what spec each is , i once was in a group with a warrior that attacked everything that moved and lost agro , you guessed it we wiped and i got the blame as my pet died and i had 4 elites beating me to a pulp as the stupid warrior got them to close for me to shoot them , the warrior thought he was perfect yet he caused the wipes
another time a priest was spamming moonfire ? and getting agro and did no healing sent my pet to help and yup pet died within seconds and we wiped , yup guess what i as hunter got the blame ?
since then i only group in instances with people i have played with or others that are known as reasonable players by my friends , seems the hunter is always blamed yet other classes are just as bad
ProjectMidnight wrote:
His pet won't scale well enough to tank higher level instances (I would say that Zul Farak is the highest level instance that a pet can be an off-tank).
If there was a healer that paid attention my pet could easily OT even up to level 70 instances before I respecced. Catlike Reflexes, Thick Hide, Endurance Training, Stam/Armor training can make your pet very durable. It rarely took a healer more than once of having my pet growl/intimidate something off of them to go "Hey... maybe I should keep that alive..."
In groups of people that I know using my pet as OT was often just part of the CC routine.
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This aspect of the game has been driving me crazy since the day I started playing. People who wanted to bypass the original experience of the game for the sake of quick, unrewarding satisfaction.
Ok my hunter is my second 70, but I never did single instance on my first one, warlock, until I went to farm greens in VC at level 50.
So my first instance run ever in WoW was soloing Deadmines to get mats for my baby enchanter alt at level 50.
How weird does that make me?
Then I went to ST in my level group to do warlock quest and it was a nightmare because I was scared to death I will do something wrong.
After that I 2 manned Scholo up to lab and 4 manned DM for my epic mount quest.
I started doing instances when I went to OL and even then I passed lot of lower ones.
Call me pathetic but I only got that letter/quest from last boss in Ramparts last night in heroic mode.
Then I rolled hunter and discovered joy of trapping, so I did lot of lower instances with her. We 3 manned Mara at level 48 all the way to goblin boss.
I was revered CE on her around level 67 from running SP and Underbog.
I never ever accepted 70 in my group. It ruins the challenge. It ruins the fun of being main CC and top dps. It ruins my pride of managing something good on my own.
I ran Bot with 2 people in epic gear compared to my blues and half way I was so tempted to /kick them.
@ OP
I take pride in being a good hunter.
Try rolling one, try playing it properly and then come here and tell us about how easy it really is and see for yourself how much clue you will have.
As far as guild invites go, I made it a rule to run at least one instance with person that applies.
Granted we dont need people under 65 or so and we are tired of doing Durn and key fragments for guilides for like 256th time, but I would still accept decent person with level 15 toon after making sure he is decent.
What you rant about isnt about hunters, its about incapability of your GM and officers to judge who they invite in guild.
I apologize for so many bolding but all the whining about eternaly bad hunters start to annoy me.
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Adding to the post that when you recriut somebody they dont need amazing skill. All they need is a good personality and the will to learn. And ofcourse guidlies with some patience that can explain things in a good way.
As example I take out newest hunter. He hangs out in BG all day and has full gladiator, vindicators etc. But the poor guy hardly ever ran an instance or trapped. However he's a really nice guy and during our first run with him (slabs I think) he saw that he needed some improvement himself and gladly tried to use the tips we gave him.
We did OHB for 2 guildies that didnt do it yet with a group of 70s. There we let him practise trapping which improved quite a lot because there he could do whatever he wanted without putting the group in danger.
Last night we did BM and I noticed that his shot rotation was a mix of autoshot and aimed shot. So after first boss I explained him why he could better spam steady shot (he was OOM all the time from the AS aswell) and his dps went up with at least 20%. He was also trapping the odd mob that went for the healer.
Moral of the story: every hunter can get good as long as they have a good personality and some nice and patient guildies.
As example I take out newest hunter. He hangs out in BG all day and has full gladiator, vindicators etc. But the poor guy hardly ever ran an instance or trapped. However he's a really nice guy and during our first run with him (slabs I think) he saw that he needed some improvement himself and gladly tried to use the tips we gave him.
We did OHB for 2 guildies that didnt do it yet with a group of 70s. There we let him practise trapping which improved quite a lot because there he could do whatever he wanted without putting the group in danger.
Last night we did BM and I noticed that his shot rotation was a mix of autoshot and aimed shot. So after first boss I explained him why he could better spam steady shot (he was OOM all the time from the AS aswell) and his dps went up with at least 20%. He was also trapping the odd mob that went for the healer.
Moral of the story: every hunter can get good as long as they have a good personality and some nice and patient guildies.
Desperadoo wrote:
Moral of the story: every hunter can get good as long as they have a good personality and some nice and patient guildies.
Count me out of the patient part >.<
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Wing Clip, huntard.
haha, I pwned myself. :)
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I really hate hearing about this crap.
First off not all hunters suck. and not all retarded players pick hunters, sure its easy to say, but its stupid. one of the main reasons low level players (Players that have not reached level 70) consider all hunters to be retarded is that a hunter really does not get the full understanding of the group role they hold until level 70, granted that is for first time players on there first character, with no outside influences.
Also a hunters traps suck balls at lower levels, so they dont get the awsome cc that lets say a low level mage may have.
there are many bad bad players in this game and not all of them are hunters. stop saying that 'WHY IS IT THAT ALL BAD PLAYERS I SEE ARE PLAYING HUNTERS" bullsh*t.
thats like saying only black people like watermelon.. i LOVE watermelon and im white. so stop stereotyping and go change some godam opinions
First off not all hunters suck. and not all retarded players pick hunters, sure its easy to say, but its stupid. one of the main reasons low level players (Players that have not reached level 70) consider all hunters to be retarded is that a hunter really does not get the full understanding of the group role they hold until level 70, granted that is for first time players on there first character, with no outside influences.
Also a hunters traps suck balls at lower levels, so they dont get the awsome cc that lets say a low level mage may have.
there are many bad bad players in this game and not all of them are hunters. stop saying that 'WHY IS IT THAT ALL BAD PLAYERS I SEE ARE PLAYING HUNTERS" bullsh*t.
thats like saying only black people like watermelon.. i LOVE watermelon and im white. so stop stereotyping and go change some godam opinions
Whoa, ease up there, killer. First off, this post was tagged as a vent from the beginning, which was a way of saying I'm just letting off steam, and not giving a factual breakdown as to which class has the most tards.
Second, the reason I was singling out hunters in my vent was because of me having recently seen a string of badly played ones. I've seen horrible warlocks (while playing one, no less), warrior, etc, but I just got a chunk of batch of bad hunters recently.
Heck, my very first WoW character was a hunter, and I'll admit I didn't have a dang clue on how to play him. Heck, I didn't even know about the AH until about a month after starting, and figuring out why I couldn't make any money :P. The fact of the matter is that it is one of the most appealing classes to newbies, and it is hard to find a good, well played one just due to that fact. However, I view hunters now as "easy to learn, but difficult to master", which is my goal with the one I just started.
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Btw if you're 46 and going through SM Cath at 46, you can probably 4-man it.
I was 39 at the time, with the other party members at 38 (priest and shaman) and 36 (mage). We were able to 4 man it, though slowly. Didn't help that My shield was way out of date and I was gettig pounded, but Aegis of the Scarlet Commander dropped, and that made me way happier :)
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Every class has it's tards. It's rather arrogant to think otherwise. "Well MY class..."
What is "my" class? I've played one of every one, some longer than others.
Edited, Dec 12th 2007 10:51am by hcddog
Edited, Dec 12th 2007 11:04am by hcddog
hcddogHeck wrote:
my very first WoW character was a hunter, and I'll admit I didn't have a dang clue on how to play him. Heck, I didn't even know about the AH until about a month after starting, and figuring out why I couldn't make any money :P.
Meh. I don't have problems making money on any of my toons and I don't put anything in the AH.
Edited, Dec 12th 2007 4:13pm by HitashLevat
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Darigraz wrote:
Hcddog, please dont let this reflect on the good hunters.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
I disagree with this statement.
I melee'd up until lvl 6, when I learned arcane shot and serpent sting, then whenever a mob got in range, I kited back, jump while shooting arcane shot forward, and repeat until dead. Add in Concussion shot at lvl 8 to get even more distance.
I haven't even swung my melee weapon since lvl 6, nor have I had to. I believe that's how a hunter is supposed to be played.
I just turned 12 and got hamstring, and I'll have to go beat on some easy mobs to get my weapon skill up so it will connect when needed. If I get in melee range now, the procedure is hamstring, kite back, jump+concussion, get distance, unload arcane and autoshot, while pet hopefully gets aggro back. Just standing there melee'ing with something is not using your skills what they were designed for.
Hcddog, please dont let this reflect on the good hunters.
Also as you will see leveling up your hunter, you are taught to melee from the start, and even once you get your pet, nothing tells you how to work with it Tan + Dps style.
I disagree with this statement.
I melee'd up until lvl 6, when I learned arcane shot and serpent sting, then whenever a mob got in range, I kited back, jump while shooting arcane shot forward, and repeat until dead. Add in Concussion shot at lvl 8 to get even more distance.
I haven't even swung my melee weapon since lvl 6, nor have I had to. I believe that's how a hunter is supposed to be played.
I just turned 12 and got hamstring, and I'll have to go beat on some easy mobs to get my weapon skill up so it will connect when needed. If I get in melee range now, the procedure is hamstring, kite back, jump+concussion, get distance, unload arcane and autoshot, while pet hopefully gets aggro back. Just standing there melee'ing with something is not using your skills what they were designed for.
Remember you had this forum, and experience from seeing others play.
When I was leveling my 1st toon up (my hunter), all I had was a lvl +40 rl friend that meleed without his pet, and another friend who was one of those 1 lvl 20 and 6 lvl 10 guys who said SV was the way to go. I thought sure, I'm strong at range, sv must even up my melee capabilities and give me more time to wait for pet to kill stuff.
Now looking back I say WTF when I compare Strangle Thorn Hell with farming cobra scales killing one snake every 5 seconds.
I know what you mean. I ran Ramparts on my mage a few days ago and the hunter in the group would have been booted if I were leader. Multi-shot kept hitting my sheep and some pulls he sent his pet to the Sheep target instead of following the kill order.
Then we pulled a group on the left just after the first boss. He put a hunter mark up on the 2 gus on the far right and then starts attacking them. So now we have 2 groups of mobs on us. We kill them ok with only maybe one death but that's not the point.
Another run on my tank doing Slabs... Hunter drops the trap right next to me where I say I'm pulling the mobs to. Next pull I ask him to put the trap back more, but instead drops the trap next to me again. Then I say "Drop a trap here" while jumping and he runs up way in front of me a drops a trap.
I sometimes wish I could change over to my hunter and say "Do what I do"....
Edited, Dec 13th 2007 2:47pm by Scolariman
Then we pulled a group on the left just after the first boss. He put a hunter mark up on the 2 gus on the far right and then starts attacking them. So now we have 2 groups of mobs on us. We kill them ok with only maybe one death but that's not the point.
Another run on my tank doing Slabs... Hunter drops the trap right next to me where I say I'm pulling the mobs to. Next pull I ask him to put the trap back more, but instead drops the trap next to me again. Then I say "Drop a trap here" while jumping and he runs up way in front of me a drops a trap.
I sometimes wish I could change over to my hunter and say "Do what I do"....
Edited, Dec 13th 2007 2:47pm by Scolariman
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