I'd bet the farm that this has been widely discussed on these boards, though I haven't found any threads to reference it. So, several questions:
1) What are the hunter community's opinions on Savagery vs. 35 Agi to 2h weapon?
Specifically, one of these enchants is going on my new Season 3 Axe tomorrow.
/joy
2) It would be even more useful if anyone knows the name of the mod that
calculates bonuses based on +stat values. ie. 35 Agi gives X amount of crit,
armor, etc.
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I think it all depends on your spec. If your survival i think you will get much more outa the 35 agility enchant.
If your marksman or bm you may find more use outa the 70 attack power savagry enchant.
i think it all comes down to personal preference really. do you want solid white damage or insane crits.
If your marksman or bm you may find more use outa the 70 attack power savagry enchant.
i think it all comes down to personal preference really. do you want solid white damage or insane crits.
It's actually really simple.
IF YOU ARE SV GO AGI.
IF YOU ARE NOT GO AP.
And go to wowwiki.com to find the conversion rates (0.025% crit per agility at level 70, or 40 agility per 1% crit).
IF YOU ARE SV GO AGI.
IF YOU ARE NOT GO AP.
And go to wowwiki.com to find the conversion rates (0.025% crit per agility at level 70, or 40 agility per 1% crit).
Basically it is a question of how good your gear currently is.
+35agi is always the best enchant for SV hunters (obviously).
For BM and MM hunters it is a bit closer. If your gear is at least Karazhan level +35agi is the better enchant. If you are still in greens or blues, Savagery (+70AP) is better.
If you plan to raid a lot +35agi becomes the better enchant a little earlier(blessing of kings being the main reason, since you then compare 38.5agi vs 70ap).
+35agi is always the best enchant for SV hunters (obviously).
For BM and MM hunters it is a bit closer. If your gear is at least Karazhan level +35agi is the better enchant. If you are still in greens or blues, Savagery (+70AP) is better.
If you plan to raid a lot +35agi becomes the better enchant a little earlier(blessing of kings being the main reason, since you then compare 38.5agi vs 70ap).
You should've checked Page 2 of the hunter forums. Here
Same question.
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 4:09am by Romordi
Same question.
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 4:09am by Romordi
Assume 2000 RAP on top of 110 base DPS and 20% crit (with 30% extra damage on crit).
You would get 253 DPS before crit, 319 DPS after crit.
With 35 agility you get 255 DPS before crit, 324 DPS after crit (extra 2 DPS from AP, 0.875% extra crit)
With 70 AP you get 258 DPS before crit, 325 DPS after crit.
Assume 3500 RAP on top of 140 base DPS and 30% crit.
390 DPS before crit, 542 DPS after crit.
With 35 agility, 393 DPS before crit, 550 DPS after crit.
With 70 AP, 395 DPS before crit, 549 DPS after crit.
As you can see, overall the difference is negligable at best. 1 DPS difference in the 300 range is less than 0.33%. I would say if you're BM go AP because AP scales to your pet (so does your crit but if you're BM and dont have BD anyway your focus should be fine within that range). I didn't factor AP gains from MM build or Agi gains from SV build into the equations, but you can assume how 10% more RAP or 15% more agility would boost it in respect to the different stats.
I still stand - BM or MM go savagery, SV go +35 agi.
You would get 253 DPS before crit, 319 DPS after crit.
With 35 agility you get 255 DPS before crit, 324 DPS after crit (extra 2 DPS from AP, 0.875% extra crit)
With 70 AP you get 258 DPS before crit, 325 DPS after crit.
Assume 3500 RAP on top of 140 base DPS and 30% crit.
390 DPS before crit, 542 DPS after crit.
With 35 agility, 393 DPS before crit, 550 DPS after crit.
With 70 AP, 395 DPS before crit, 549 DPS after crit.
As you can see, overall the difference is negligable at best. 1 DPS difference in the 300 range is less than 0.33%. I would say if you're BM go AP because AP scales to your pet (so does your crit but if you're BM and dont have BD anyway your focus should be fine within that range). I didn't factor AP gains from MM build or Agi gains from SV build into the equations, but you can assume how 10% more RAP or 15% more agility would boost it in respect to the different stats.
I still stand - BM or MM go savagery, SV go +35 agi.
I still say go for +35agi once you are raiding beyond Karazhan, no matter the spec.
With all those epics you'll get a ton of AP and as a BM or MM hunter you have a hard time getting your crit up while you AP will increase without difficulties.
There are a ton of buffs increasing AP, gear has craploads of it, hunters mark adds AP, expose weakness adds AP, but there is few things that ups the crit chance.
So if you still go for AP gems and Savagery at 25man raid level, you'll hurt your damage by not increasing your crit rate enough.
Just a little example. A fellow BM hunter sits unbuffed at 1613ap and 22% crit (T4 gear level, started to gem/enchant agi over ap).
These stats seem somewhat balanced. Now lets put those raid buffs up:
aspect of the hawk: 155ap
blessing of might: 220ap
blessing of kings: ~55agi
mark of the wild: 17agi
hunters mark: 440ap
expose weakness: 275ap
food buff: 20agi
flask of relentless assault: 120ap
So buffs give my fellow BM hunter:
~90agi and 1210ap
so with these buffs he gains 2.25% crit and 1300ap putting him at: 2913ap and 24.25% crit.
Perhaps he is lucky and gets a feral druid in his group which would up his crit by 5% (although as a BM he'll likely get into a caster group with a shadow priest to help on his mana consumption and give those 3% extra damage to other casters).
However as you can see ap is really easy to come by. Crit however is not buffed that much by raid buffs. Thus from a certain gear level on (that is once you have enough AP) crit becomes really important and gemming/enchanting agi instead of ap is a good method to get your crit up (and you get this 10%agi bonus from blessing of kings).
With all those epics you'll get a ton of AP and as a BM or MM hunter you have a hard time getting your crit up while you AP will increase without difficulties.
There are a ton of buffs increasing AP, gear has craploads of it, hunters mark adds AP, expose weakness adds AP, but there is few things that ups the crit chance.
So if you still go for AP gems and Savagery at 25man raid level, you'll hurt your damage by not increasing your crit rate enough.
Just a little example. A fellow BM hunter sits unbuffed at 1613ap and 22% crit (T4 gear level, started to gem/enchant agi over ap).
These stats seem somewhat balanced. Now lets put those raid buffs up:
aspect of the hawk: 155ap
blessing of might: 220ap
blessing of kings: ~55agi
mark of the wild: 17agi
hunters mark: 440ap
expose weakness: 275ap
food buff: 20agi
flask of relentless assault: 120ap
So buffs give my fellow BM hunter:
~90agi and 1210ap
so with these buffs he gains 2.25% crit and 1300ap putting him at: 2913ap and 24.25% crit.
Perhaps he is lucky and gets a feral druid in his group which would up his crit by 5% (although as a BM he'll likely get into a caster group with a shadow priest to help on his mana consumption and give those 3% extra damage to other casters).
However as you can see ap is really easy to come by. Crit however is not buffed that much by raid buffs. Thus from a certain gear level on (that is once you have enough AP) crit becomes really important and gemming/enchanting agi instead of ap is a good method to get your crit up (and you get this 10%agi bonus from blessing of kings).
Agility becomes better then pure AP pretty much across the board when you get past kara. Gems, enchants, etc.
Edited, Dec 13th 2007 4:47pm by Xsarus
Edited, Dec 13th 2007 4:47pm by Xsarus
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Completely agree with Mulgrin (and well argued, by the way).
Moving into 25-mans, go for the Agi. +35 Agi is nearly 1% crit and 35 AP. In my opinion, you will get more good (and dps) out of nearly 1% crit and 35 AP than you will out of 70 AP alone.
Moving into 25-mans, go for the Agi. +35 Agi is nearly 1% crit and 35 AP. In my opinion, you will get more good (and dps) out of nearly 1% crit and 35 AP than you will out of 70 AP alone.
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