I am SL/SL lock pvp geared and it s a pain for me to kill a rogue or an hunter!
Hunters are not that hard when I have something to hide like a pilar but when I fight them face to face they burst me down very fast!
Rogues are the hardst for me! when they catch me I only have a chance to death coil and fear! but they use trinkep asap and become imune to my spells for 5secs
I can kite rogues for a while when I see them 1st! they they daze me for 70% run speed! it s almost impossible to run
Can anyone help me here?
I also have a problem with droods healers! their hots are too strong for my dots :S and they have way too much mana to drain it all
thank you for helping
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I prefer to be against a rogue, simply because it is one target. They go down fast when you get a hold of them first... when they get you first, then it is another story lol.
Hunters are not too bad, as long as you can Fear their pet before they get to you. Then, DOT the hell out of the hunter and then get within his melee range. Repeat those steps when Fear fades.
Hunters are not too bad, as long as you can Fear their pet before they get to you. Then, DOT the hell out of the hunter and then get within his melee range. Repeat those steps when Fear fades.
most pvp hunters are BM!! If I fear the pet they will use the bestial so it s useless
rogues get the first almost allways and even if they dont when I cast all my dots he just despell them all with that nasty spell :\
anyone else have idead about how can I beat them?
rogues get the first almost allways and even if they dont when I cast all my dots he just despell them all with that nasty spell :\
anyone else have idead about how can I beat them?
Hunters aren't that hard, if you have good gear you should survive the burst damage and kill them. Get in melee range and keep fighting through concussive shots and wing clips to get and stay there.
Rogues are much harder, well played rogues are certainly our top counter-class but warriors are up there too. Tips on how to beat them, use felhunter, try to see them in stealth before you eat a cheapshot stun combo and pull them out of stealth with CoEx and kite them. Duel a ton, and I mean a ton to learn their tactics and better yet roll one to understand them even better. A good AR/prep rogue really shouldn't lose to a warlock ever.
Rogues are much harder, well played rogues are certainly our top counter-class but warriors are up there too. Tips on how to beat them, use felhunter, try to see them in stealth before you eat a cheapshot stun combo and pull them out of stealth with CoEx and kite them. Duel a ton, and I mean a ton to learn their tactics and better yet roll one to understand them even better. A good AR/prep rogue really shouldn't lose to a warlock ever.
Rogues are pretty much the best 1 vs 1 PVP class. In groups, not as much, but if you "meet" a rogue while out farming or questing, you're almost certainly dead. Even dueling, in arena or BG, when you expect them and you're geared, it's still going to be greatly in their favor.
Meanwhile, hunters are crazy burst damage. They toss out their rapid fire, BW, trinkets, racials if they have one, and boom. 15+ seconds of just all out stupid damage and total CC immunity (unless you're an instance boss). If you live through that, you're in the clear.
Just as a suggestion, though. Don't do the "CoW + SL on the pet and ignore them" thing. If they have imp mend pet, those will be gone in around 9 seconds. Maybe even just 6. If you get the jump on the hunter, put more instant casts on the pet so those important ones might stay. If the hunter gets to you first, ignore the pet entirely. That GCD will do much more good aimed at the hunter.
Meanwhile, hunters are crazy burst damage. They toss out their rapid fire, BW, trinkets, racials if they have one, and boom. 15+ seconds of just all out stupid damage and total CC immunity (unless you're an instance boss). If you live through that, you're in the clear.
Just as a suggestion, though. Don't do the "CoW + SL on the pet and ignore them" thing. If they have imp mend pet, those will be gone in around 9 seconds. Maybe even just 6. If you get the jump on the hunter, put more instant casts on the pet so those important ones might stay. If the hunter gets to you first, ignore the pet entirely. That GCD will do much more good aimed at the hunter.
This has been asked too many times - can people please start reading past threads?
Rogue
- CoE+iDoTs; iHoT and d/c if they get close; run away+counting when you see CoS - then counterattack.
Hunter
- CoW the pet; net the pet; stay out of ranged attack range; instant dots+vw bubble+timed fear.
Druids
- dps/tank: CoW+dots+fear+drain-life; healing: CoT, fear, dots, drain-life.
There's a whole lot more, but that's the basics.
Rogue
- CoE+iDoTs; iHoT and d/c if they get close; run away+counting when you see CoS - then counterattack.
Hunter
- CoW the pet; net the pet; stay out of ranged attack range; instant dots+vw bubble+timed fear.
Druids
- dps/tank: CoW+dots+fear+drain-life; healing: CoT, fear, dots, drain-life.
There's a whole lot more, but that's the basics.
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Ok if ur sl/sl then it depends on what pet ur using for hunters and rogues. For rogues i go felhunter he can find them pretty easy and if i get jump on one they cant beat me no matter how outgeared i am. With hunters always and i mean always use VW for one reason alone 10% physical dmg reduction u can't beat that and when u get low sacrifice. With hunters what i do is rush and rush and when im in melee range i drain life and also dot there pet doubles the chance on nightfall proc. I have never lost a duel as sl/sl and my gear is really bad.
I've never played sl/sl.
I'm affliction all the way to unstable affliction, and then with shadowburn from the destro tree.
I don't know if you plan on respeccing, or how good sl/sl works out versus my spec or something similar to mine, but I LOVE the instant dots. And rogues dispelling stuff? Unstable Affliction. I use a macro where I only have to hit one hot key 3 times in a row, and when I catch a rogue I do (if he's on me) deathcoil OR iHoT or both if he resists the first, then CoE, UA (if I remember honestly. I don't seem to see many dispel my curses) tap my hotkey for my DOT macro with all my instant dots and there you go =]
And I second using a net for a pet after a CoW.
I'm affliction all the way to unstable affliction, and then with shadowburn from the destro tree.
I don't know if you plan on respeccing, or how good sl/sl works out versus my spec or something similar to mine, but I LOVE the instant dots. And rogues dispelling stuff? Unstable Affliction. I use a macro where I only have to hit one hot key 3 times in a row, and when I catch a rogue I do (if he's on me) deathcoil OR iHoT or both if he resists the first, then CoE, UA (if I remember honestly. I don't seem to see many dispel my curses) tap my hotkey for my DOT macro with all my instant dots and there you go =]
And I second using a net for a pet after a CoW.
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And rogues dispelling stuff? Unstable Affliction.
Unfortunately ,cloak of shadows REMOVES dots,so it cant trigger unstable affliction.
talking out of your ***, rogues dont get UA damage,, well at least they have a 90% chance to resist it anyway
I really really hate to ask this question...but what is iHOT?
Improved Howl of Terror
Improved howl of terror...a talen from the affliction tree. It makes your point blank aoe fear an instant cast. Very handy. :)
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talking out of your ***, rogues dont get UA damage,, well at least they have a 90% chance to resist it anyway
Clos REMOVES all harmfull effect,its not DISPELLING,ua has no chance to trigger.
Also they get 90 percent resist to all magic for 5sec.
shoarmakip wrote:
Clos REMOVES all harmfull effect,its not DISPELLING,ua has no chance to trigger.
Also they get 90 percent resist to all magic for 5sec.
Also they get 90 percent resist to all magic for 5sec.
Also worth mentioning... Cloak of Shadows has a 2 min cool down.. so if they go "purple" and wipe your dots.. wait 5 sec and redot as fast as you can while kiting.
rogues and hunters will always have the upper hand against locks. best bet is to not go out alone. go in with a guildie or RL friend and stick together, or atleast stay with other people. 1v just try to kite them away from you and hope you get lucky. keep a sprint potion or i think theres bubble potions. When u see the rogue go purp, hit a pot and run. if void is out then sacrifice if rogue gets on you, if not then just send ur pet at them and run. if you die then wait a bit and try again.
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i dont usually have problem with rogues.. they usually stun me right off the bat, so i trinket, Death coil Fear currupt ampCOA siphon. as i run as far away as posible. then spam fear and re dot. it usually works but without DC ur SOL.
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With hunters what i do is rush and rush and when im in melee range i drain life
Rush and rush? What, you're gonna try and get through wingclip, possibly imp wingclip, concussive shot, possibly imp concussive shot, frost trap, intimidation or scatter shot or wyvern sting? GG
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 4:49am by Romordi
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Rush and rush? What, you're gonna try and get through wingclip, possibly imp wingclip, concussive shot, possibly imp concussive shot, frost trap, intimidation or scatter shot or wyvern sting? GG
RIGHT?! Ok, so I'm not the crazy one, then? Someone else feels like closing in on a hunter is an uphill battle through a **** load of CC and damage?
Without a charge, or a stealth, you are not getting anywhere close to a hunter without almost being dead already.
Line of sight, or even just run away. DoTs do damage when you're out of range, arrows don't. That's not to say they can't keep up with you easily enough, but it's by orders of magnitude a better plan then running at them.
Line of sight, or even just run away. DoTs do damage when you're out of range, arrows don't. That's not to say they can't keep up with you easily enough, but it's by orders of magnitude a better plan then running at them.
zhok wrote:
Rogues are the hardst for me! when they catch me I only have a chance to death coil and fear! but they use trinkep asap and become imune to my spells for 5secs
Thats either:
A: Undead Rogue using Will of the Forsaken, which will make him immune to Fear, Charm, sleep effects for 5 sec
B: Rogue using his Cloak of Shadows, wich will make him 90% chance to resist spells for 5 sec
C: Rogue using his trinket, wont be immune to anything, exept immobilizing effects will be gone on the Rogue
D: Combination of A,B, and C
zhok wrote:
I can kite rogues for a while when I see them 1st! they they daze me for 70% run speed! it s almost impossible to run
Most Rogues use a poison called "crippling poison" on his weapons, which indeed slows you to 70% of your normal speed, but it isnt a "daze". The big difference between daze and crippling poison is, crippling poison is dispellable daze isnt.
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Also worth mentioning... Cloak of Shadows has a 2 min cool down.. so if they go "purple" and wipe your dots.. wait 5 sec and redot as fast as you can while kiting.
Wrong - CLoS is a 1 min cooldown.
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Wrong - CLoS is a 1 min cooldown.
I heard with the new patch they were changing the cooldown time to 30 seconds b/c someone said locks were op :)
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Maverickzzz wrote:
B: Rogue using his Cloak of Shadows, wich will make him 90% chance to resist spells for 5 sec
CLOS doesn't break fear, so they'll have to use both trinket and CLOS.
Correct me if I'm mistaken.
Maverickzzz wrote:
crippling poison is dispellable daze isnt.
Are you sure about the dispelling part?
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