Heya,
This weekend I was kicking it at the inn in Southshore when I felt I drank enough and went outside. There I met a nice looking female human mage ( don't know is she was really good looking after spending allmost a gold on beer :) )
So we start talking and we decide to duel each other. Both being lvl 37 we thought that it would be a good laugh. I ended up losing 6-1. The one win was due to a healing pot I chugged while at 10hp left.
The mage was fire-specced and I'm OoC and the rest in feral, with Feral Charge.
I allmost never got a heal off, being counterspelled all the time. If I remember correct I was in bear a lot of the time in the game I won, and maybe that is the answer to my question. The question being:
Am I doing something horribly wrong or is a good fire-mage allways a hard opponent?
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I've done very little PvP/dueling but I ws under the impression that bear form wasn't worth more than the extra Health against mages as the armour didn't matter. And that cat form would be the better idea, even with the reduced Health the DPS would far outweight the need for it.
But hey, I may be wrong.
But hey, I may be wrong.
That's what I thought too. But I kept dying way too fast in Catform :(
I couldn't outlive the burst damage she could unload on me. Then trying to shift to heal, i got counterspelled and then the ignite ticks or a quick fireblast would finish me off. Seemed to go that way each time.
I couldn't outlive the burst damage she could unload on me. Then trying to shift to heal, i got counterspelled and then the ignite ticks or a quick fireblast would finish me off. Seemed to go that way each time.
It gets better when you get Mangle, trust me. Your Bear will hit like a MS Warrior and Feral Charge wipes the smile off of any Mage.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Vs a Mage, go as Cat. The bonus armor as Bear makes no difference against a mage, only the health bonus. Wich is pretty useless, compared with the fact that as a Cat you can interrupt his spells and such. You have to try to go behind him and use shred. Or, you have to try to prowl and go behind him. I think that as 37 you don't have too many options.
Edited, Dec 10th 2007 10:15am by Brisin
Edited, Dec 10th 2007 10:15am by Brisin
And most of all, remember that instant spells cannot be counterspelled (the imp cs with silence will be trouble though).
I'm pretty sure it is Quor who always says heal early & heal often. CS has a 30sec? cooldown, so if you get cs'd early, you can still wait a bit then heal again. Don't forget you can have rejuv & lifebloom ticking while in cat doing damage.
I'm pretty sure it is Quor who always says heal early & heal often. CS has a 30sec? cooldown, so if you get cs'd early, you can still wait a bit then heal again. Don't forget you can have rejuv & lifebloom ticking while in cat doing damage.
Try to get some good bleed effects going early on. And next time you go drinking make sure you have some buddies along. Friends don't let friends duel drunk.
Never, I really mean this, never put bleed effects on squishes. Its a waste of energy, bleed effects can't crit, and clothies have terrible armor. Now if we are talking about warriors, bleed away...
it's kind of difficult to stealth against a human. ;p
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I would suggest using ravage for an opener, since they can blink out of pounce pretty easily. Ultimately, the way to beat mages is to out maneuver them, and we have awesome mobility. If they nova, switch to bear and charge....then bash. If they chill you again, switch to caster and heal, or switch to cat and unleash the claws. And heal often. You'll find mages are definitely not our toughest opponents. Warlocks now....beware the warlocks.
I would always open with Pounce even on a Mage, unless he's sitting down and I'm guaranteed a crit. Sure, they'll blink out but that's exactly the point. You know they won't be able to do it again for another bit so you can immediately Feral Charge them, Enrage, Mangle+Maul for a quick burst and Bash 'em just before they get free of FC. Then shift to Cat and Shred and kill and stuff.
Of course they'll often Blink if you Ravage so they'll burn it on both cases. At least with Pounce they *have* to or they'll taste the mighty wrath of Mangle+Shred. =/
Of course they'll often Blink if you Ravage so they'll burn it on both cases. At least with Pounce they *have* to or they'll taste the mighty wrath of Mangle+Shred. =/
yodale wrote:
Never, I really mean this, never put bleed effects on squishes. Its a waste of energy, bleed effects can't crit, and clothies have terrible armor. Now if we are talking about warriors, bleed away...
My Druid's Rip ticks for 500+ damage w/ the Mangle debuff. Ferocious Bite only hits for 1500 or so. Rip is a waste of energy if, and only if, you are guaranteed a crit with Ferocious Bite each and every time.
It's true that burst damage is king in PvP, but Mages have no way to heal themselves other than using healing potions or bandages, and the Rip effect makes the latter impossible to use.
Pounce, Rake, Mangle, Shred, Rip and watch him bleed to death. Of course, with a good crit rating you might kill him with a Ravage, Mangle, Shred and Ferocious Bite combo.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
I have played a mage to 70 and I have to say that I love it when you waste energy on bleeds rather than up front damage. Mages have a lot of ways to deal with bleeds. Ice Barrier, mana shield, and good old ice block. Heck when I was 59 I even kept my luffa on.
Pounce is a great ability that I use against all classes but mages. The stun is the great thing about the ability. It allows you to build 3 - 4 combo points against targets before you get into the nitty gritty. However, with a mage it only nets you 1-2 combo points with no stun time.
Pounce is a great ability that I use against all classes but mages. The stun is the great thing about the ability. It allows you to build 3 - 4 combo points against targets before you get into the nitty gritty. However, with a mage it only nets you 1-2 combo points with no stun time.
If I get a Mage to blow his Ice Block on a bleed I'll be more than happy with the results. Also, while Ice Barrier will absorb the bleed, it would absorb any other damage, so if your bleed can tick through the shield while you're hitting, it's putting more pressure on the Mage. Same for Mana Shield.
Basically, if it absorbs your bleeds, it absorbs all your damage for a while, so might as well get through it as soon as possible and bleeds help with that. I support putting bleeds on any and all targets, but of course it's not as effective on a clothy than an armored opponent.
But no Rake, that thing is just bad. =/
Basically, if it absorbs your bleeds, it absorbs all your damage for a while, so might as well get through it as soon as possible and bleeds help with that. I support putting bleeds on any and all targets, but of course it's not as effective on a clothy than an armored opponent.
But no Rake, that thing is just bad. =/
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