So I've got my mage up to level 40 and I still don't see why mages insist that they don't need fishing and cooking due to being able to summon thier own food.
Is there a spell that I'm missing?
I ask because I can't summon any stat food - no +STA, no Mana Regen, no +INT food at all.
In order to get food buffs, I have to cook animal parts or fish that I catch - at what level does a mage get "summon stat food" so that he doesn't need to cook/fish anymore?
I ask because it seems to be a battle cry among mages that those two skills are useless since mages can summon thier own food - I see it on all the forums and even in the official strategy guides.
Yes, it is nice to be able to eat and drink even I've only lost 10-20% health/mana.
But saying "I don't need to fish/cook because I can summon food" is like my druid saying "I don't need pots because I've got MoW and can heal" - just stupid.
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As long as enough other people sell stat food on the AH, I'll never get a meaningful cooking or fishing level.
But then, I never buy the stuff anyway. Yay, 20 stam.. 200HP. That'll last me, what.. .1 attacks?
The only stat food I ever buy is the golden fishsticks, for the healers that I also give elixers of healing power to.
But then, I never buy the stuff anyway. Yay, 20 stam.. 200HP. That'll last me, what.. .1 attacks?
The only stat food I ever buy is the golden fishsticks, for the healers that I also give elixers of healing power to.
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As long as enough other people sell stat food on the AH, I'll never get a meaningful cooking or fishing level.
But then, I never buy the stuff anyway. Yay, 20 stam.. 200HP. That'll last me, what.. .1 attacks?
Wow... talk about ignorant.
What you want in end-game are Basilisk Bites and Crunchy Serpent. Look 'em up cuz I'm too lazy to link 'em. If you're also too lazy, I believe it's +23 spell dmg and +20 spirit. Not using those in instances, heroics, or raids is like not having trinkets equipped or not using molten/ice/mage armor. A bad idea, in other words.
And as to buying it, why would you want to blow the money? Level up cooking (which, by the way, is easy as dirt) then farm for 10 minutes to get a stack of meat to cook. Basilisk meat drops nearly every kill in Terokkar
And best yet, farm the stuff and sell it to morons like the poster I quoted.
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As long as enough other people sell stat food on the AH, I'll never get a meaningful cooking or fishing level.
But then, I never buy the stuff anyway. Yay, 20 stam.. 200HP. That'll last me, what.. .1 attacks?
Wow... talk about ignorant.
What you want in end-game are Basilisk Bites and Crunchy Serpent. Look 'em up cuz I'm too lazy to link 'em. If you're also too lazy, I believe it's +23 spell dmg and +20 spirit. Not using those in instances, heroics, or raids is like not having trinkets equipped or not using molten/ice/mage armor. A bad idea, in other words.
And as to buying it, why would you want to blow the money? Level up cooking (which, by the way, is easy as dirt) then farm for 10 minutes to get a stack of meat to cook. Basilisk meat drops nearly every kill in Terokkar
And best yet, farm the stuff and sell it to morons like the poster I quoted.
Skullfish soup is pretty good too, iirc.
As to the last sentence: I buy my food. Often the uncooked meat if available. In the time it would take me to farm a stack of the food I need, I could have farmed enough gold to buy 1.5 stacks of the stuff. It'd be kind of moronic for me to farm my food in light of that.
Edited, Dec 9th 2007 2:42pm by Poldaran
I don't need fishing and cooking and have no desire to skill them up either. 10-12g for a stack of 20 +23spell damage food is easier to me then farming for mats.
IMO there is nothing fun about fishing!
IMO there is nothing fun about fishing!
Ahh, a secondary skill flame thread! Woohoo!
I have to say that I love fishing. My mage has all of the gear from the fishing contest and I was one of three people horde-side on my server pre-BC that had the stonescale eel market cornered. Then they went and jacked it up with the stupid fishing spawns...grrr.
But I digress. Just because you're a mage doesn't mean that you don't need the food. This thread could easily be changed to "I'm a [insert class] and I don't need to level fishing or cooking. The fact is that it's completely and totally true. You don't HAVE to do either of them. You can purchase food on the AH for a pretty reasonable price, I guess. I don't know that it's insanely more cost-effective, since I can fish up a stack of bluefish in a little less than 20 minutes, plus get a primal water or two to boot, but oh well...
However, if you want a Mr. Pinchy, you have to level fishing. If you want to do the cooking dailies and get nifty recipes like Delicious Chocolate Cake, Stormchops or Skullfish Soup, then you have to level cooking. It's pretty much that simple. I will also say that if you don't level your secondary skills, you really are at the mercy of the market, and if you don't keep a close eye on the AH and your reserves, you could find yourself raiding without food for a night or so. I find a bit of comfort in knowing that I can always get food on short notice.
I guess it boils down to completeness of character. There's a sense of accomplishment in knowing that all of your professions and secondary skills are at cap. Kind of a warm fuzzy, if you will. If you don't want that warm fuzzy, then don't level them. However, you might want to expect a light snicker from those of us who see you in full T6 with Illidan at your feet, but you haven't taken the time to fish or cook. I may never see Illidan, but at least I have a 103 Pound Mightfish in my bank, which most people can't say. :)
I have to say that I love fishing. My mage has all of the gear from the fishing contest and I was one of three people horde-side on my server pre-BC that had the stonescale eel market cornered. Then they went and jacked it up with the stupid fishing spawns...grrr.
But I digress. Just because you're a mage doesn't mean that you don't need the food. This thread could easily be changed to "I'm a [insert class] and I don't need to level fishing or cooking. The fact is that it's completely and totally true. You don't HAVE to do either of them. You can purchase food on the AH for a pretty reasonable price, I guess. I don't know that it's insanely more cost-effective, since I can fish up a stack of bluefish in a little less than 20 minutes, plus get a primal water or two to boot, but oh well...
However, if you want a Mr. Pinchy, you have to level fishing. If you want to do the cooking dailies and get nifty recipes like Delicious Chocolate Cake, Stormchops or Skullfish Soup, then you have to level cooking. It's pretty much that simple. I will also say that if you don't level your secondary skills, you really are at the mercy of the market, and if you don't keep a close eye on the AH and your reserves, you could find yourself raiding without food for a night or so. I find a bit of comfort in knowing that I can always get food on short notice.
I guess it boils down to completeness of character. There's a sense of accomplishment in knowing that all of your professions and secondary skills are at cap. Kind of a warm fuzzy, if you will. If you don't want that warm fuzzy, then don't level them. However, you might want to expect a light snicker from those of us who see you in full T6 with Illidan at your feet, but you haven't taken the time to fish or cook. I may never see Illidan, but at least I have a 103 Pound Mightfish in my bank, which most people can't say. :)
I maxed out my cooking, since some of the higher end stuff is really useful. Plus having your cooking high enough lets you do the cooking daily, which is about the easiest gold you can make. As far as the AH goes, the only food I buy off it is the occasional Deviate Fish for special guild occasions. I made due without the benefits before, so it really is moot for me.
Fishing, eh, to hell with that. I don't have the patience for it. In the time it would take to me fish up two primal waters, I could've farmed four off the lake outside Shat.
Fishing, eh, to hell with that. I don't have the patience for it. In the time it would take to me fish up two primal waters, I could've farmed four off the lake outside Shat.
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I have my fishing at around 300 and my cooking is maxed. I generally go and buy the raw meat off of the AH and cook it (as the cooked version is generally sold for a premium). I have also been farming eyes to get rep with scryer so I have had quite a few stacks of basilisk meat to sell (after cooking it) which made it quite a bit easier.
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Fishing, eh, to hell with that. I don't have the patience for it. In the time it would take to me fish up two primal waters, I could've farmed four off the lake outside Shat.
My mains a very geared warlock, about the 2nd fastest farming class in the game besides hunters. My 3 instant dots will drop a water elemental in skettis, and I can chain pull 5-6 of them and drain tank through the damage and repeat it all again. The only thing that slows me down is swim speed.
With that said I can still fish up primal waters at an incredible rate in the elemental plateau when the pools are there. I've seen at times 6 pure water pools (3 at a time with respawns when I finished the first 3). These average out to 2 primal waters much faster then I can grind them. I gotta say its really handy having fishing for situations like that. Especially with the new track fishing its great. Every highland mixed school in skettis is worth 3-7g average, I pull tons of the highest level agility scrolls which the rogues gobble up for 2g a piece. The best part is it takes under 2 minutes to fish up a pool. Its a nice gathering skill to have.
But....I don't have cooking/fishing on my mage. I like having maxed out fishing on my warlock, but when I rerolled on another server I didn't want to do the grind again (fishing, that is). Leveling it was boring for me. But I'm taking a rogue to 70 on that server, and his fishing/cooking is pretty well capped for his level. So he'll be my cooking/fishing/mining character.
As for skullfish vs. basilisk, I'd probably stack the spell damage. Spell damage is generally worth more then crit on a 1:1 scale, you'd probably want 1.4:1 crit/damage for crit to be worth more then damage. Unless you're really low on crit I'd probably use the 23 spell damage food all the time instead of 20 spell crit.
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 12:38am by mikelolol
mikelolol wrote:
As for skullfish vs. basilisk, I'd probably stack the spell damage. Spell damage is generally worth more then crit on a 1:1 scale, you'd probably want 1.4:1 crit/damage for crit to be worth more then damage. Unless you're really low on crit I'd probably use the 23 spell damage food all the time instead of 20 spell crit.
I tested the two on a theorycraft calculator the other day, and the spell damage food did produce a higher DPS for me, but I was surprised to find that it wasn't as high of a difference as I thought it would be.
Honestly, I'd go with the +dmg food for most fights, but the crit food for mana intensive ones.
Selling cooked meat/ fish on the Auction House is a great way to make money. Spending 30 mins a day fishing can earn me 100 gold a day selling golden fishsticks and spicy crawdads. It might not be true of your own server but you know your market there will be equivilents. All the people that complain they can't afford 5000 gold for epic flying... sell cooked food and do dailies as wel as money grind.
Crunchy serpent/ poached bluefish/ chuck o' basilisk for +spell damage (frost mages), Skullfish soup for + spell crit damage (fire mages) - I'm kinda hoping there will be + spell hit food next. Buffs last 10 mins have your conjured stuff in the meantime.
An alternative to throwing away perfectly good trash you can turn into something useful. I was called a noob or whatever loads of times for being a mage with cooking/ fishing. These people if they are mages will more than likely be buying the food from the AH.
A good part of the game is being resourceful - never hurts to have its cheap to level and you'll be glad to have the extra income when you need it
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Crunchy serpent/ poached bluefish/ chuck o' basilisk for +spell damage (frost mages), Skullfish soup for + spell crit damage (fire mages) - I'm kinda hoping there will be + spell hit food next. Buffs last 10 mins have your conjured stuff in the meantime.
An alternative to throwing away perfectly good trash you can turn into something useful. I was called a noob or whatever loads of times for being a mage with cooking/ fishing. These people if they are mages will more than likely be buying the food from the AH.
A good part of the game is being resourceful - never hurts to have its cheap to level and you'll be glad to have the extra income when you need it
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I belive that as a mage cooking/fishing is a waste of time. I'm in a raiding guild and yes.. the stat food is a must. But alot of classes (hunters) will just about always lvl cooking and fishing. It's not important to us untill late in the game and by then your in groups of 10-25 people when your going to need the stat food. In my guild the cooks pass out off, alchs pass out potions, and mages pass out food/water. Everyone has to bring their own pots. It's a good system that we all have worked out for the good of the guild.
Your by no means stupid for lvling cooking and fishing as a mage. But no, I don't belive it's as important to us as it is other classes imo.
Your by no means stupid for lvling cooking and fishing as a mage. But no, I don't belive it's as important to us as it is other classes imo.
Anyone that says fishing is useless has never witnessed the awesomeness that is Mr. Pinchy.
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 6:05am by SquallTiofae
Edited, Dec 11th 2007 6:05am by SquallTiofae
Anyone who doesn't level cooking as they level up is a fool; I had more than enough materials to keep it capped just from doing quests along my 1-70 grind.
Fishing is another story. It's a bit painful to level, but so worth it. Just park yourself in the nearest city and level it up; watch a movie or something while you're doing it. Hover your mouse over the bobber and you don't even have to look at it, just wait for the audio cue. Hotkey the fishing action for easier recasting. By the time your movie is done you'll have moved up a solid 30+ levels in fishing, even at the high stages.
Fishing is another story. It's a bit painful to level, but so worth it. Just park yourself in the nearest city and level it up; watch a movie or something while you're doing it. Hover your mouse over the bobber and you don't even have to look at it, just wait for the audio cue. Hotkey the fishing action for easier recasting. By the time your movie is done you'll have moved up a solid 30+ levels in fishing, even at the high stages.
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I belive that as a mage cooking/fishing is a waste of time. I'm in a raiding guild and yes.. the stat food is a must. But alot of classes (hunters) will just about always lvl cooking and fishing. It's not important to us untill late in the game and by then your in groups of 10-25 people when your going to need the stat food. In my guild the cooks pass out off, alchs pass out potions, and mages pass out food/water. Everyone has to bring their own pots. It's a good system that we all have worked out for the good of the guild.
Your by no means stupid for lvling cooking and fishing as a mage. But no, I don't belive it's as important to us as it is other classes imo.
Your by no means stupid for lvling cooking and fishing as a mage. But no, I don't belive it's as important to us as it is other classes imo.
wait, so alchemists pass out potions, but everyone has to bring their own pots?
I never thought about selling +damage food in the AH. Hmmm, perhaps I will be getting a flying mount someday...
mages never make stat food, that'd be cheap
but stat food last 30 minutes and are queit expensive if it's ur primary source of eat and drink, so basically u eat stat food once 20-30 minutes and eat mage food in between
reason for not fishing and cooking is more towards laziness instead of being able to make food, just like ppl take first aid even if they can heal, they just dont want to spend mana to heal when they dont have to that's all
but stat food last 30 minutes and are queit expensive if it's ur primary source of eat and drink, so basically u eat stat food once 20-30 minutes and eat mage food in between
reason for not fishing and cooking is more towards laziness instead of being able to make food, just like ppl take first aid even if they can heal, they just dont want to spend mana to heal when they dont have to that's all
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