Pally problems.Follow

Ok i know some folks are gonna come back and say that im a noob and an idiot and that they can kill pally's no problem.

But here is my story anyway. Tonight my buddy and i decided to get some 2v2 outa the way. so we being two hunters went into arena. we destroyed a mage and warrior combo. then a rouge and druid combo, then then that same mage and warrior combo.

Then we faced a pally and warrior combo. Pretty much our plan was to keep the warrior crippled and kiting while killing the pally. we managed to get the pally down to about 1 percent health very fast. but he then bubbled and shot right back up to full health. we still had the warrior cripled and stumbling around trying to get some damage.. we kept on the pally again we burned him as hard as we could.. aimed shots to keep healing halved and arcane to attept to remove any magic buff..

But sadly the bubble lasted so long that we simply could not outlast him.. he then stunned me for what felt like ever.. im sorry thats not a 4 second stun. its more like a eight second stun. and whats worse is that they can pummle ya the whole time. i had burned my trinket earlier on the warrior to break outa his stuff so that i could continue kiting.

we then of course died. now had the fight been close. i would have been fine.. but the pally was at full health and damn near full mana. and of course had we attempted to burn through the warrior the outcome would have been much worse.

Im really sorry for dredging this crap up. but i honestly feel like the paladin is the must overpowered class in the game. its ridiculous.

Sure hunters do a TON of damage.. and we did dominate every other non pally group we played.. but we did it with skill and not an easy button. its really not that hard to sit there and take a beating. then to press one button and start healing yourself worry free..

In fact i think some of these pally's have a macro that instantly fires the bubble at like 1 percent health or somthing cause i have seen that happen way to much.

so go ahead and call me an idiot and a noob and tell me the story of how you own every paladin you touch. but please if you do give me some screenshots or a video so i can learn somthing.






Edited, Dec 8th 2007 4:10am by Slammerofkooter

Edited, Dec 8th 2007 4:10am by Slammerofkooter

Your very first statement is really sad. I don't know if I should rate you down for saying something like that, or rate everyone else down for making you feel that you have to say it.

Pallies are a tough class to take down. There's only one way that I know of to get rid of the bubble, and that's a Priest's Mass Dispell (If there are other ways, let me know!). Hell, even with my decently geared 70, I've had trouble taking down a level 63 pally because of that bubble... Well, I wouldn't say I had trouble exactly, but he put up a much better fight than other classes so far below me.

I've also seen whole groups of people in PvP take for ever to take down a single Pally. They are just completely overpowered in PvP.

I would just have to echo the suggestion of Laertis. If one of you is BM, save Intimidation for right before the pally is down. Pop it, BAM three second stun, dead pally.

Edited, Dec 9th 2007 6:16pm by ProjectMidnight

You mean priest's mass dispel.


As a paladin (whose 3rd 70 will be a hunter) let me ask you this. Was it the paladin that actually killed you? Or did he sit there just healing. If he was healing, how does that make him overpowered? You can be the best healer in the world, but if you can't kill anything then so what? No there is NOT a mod/macro/etc. to bubble at 1% health, that's skill of the player. There are a lot of really good arena paladins out there. If you could dispel bubble, then what would a paladin be? We have less utility than a priest (no fears, buffs that are easily and quickly removed by your arcane shot, absolutely no heal over times) and at least a priest can DoT you. What can a paladin do? Bubble. That's it! That's our ONE ability! Yes the stun FEELS like it lasts a long time, but what you don't see is how often it completely resists. Hammer of Justice resists more than any other spell I have and it has a cooldown so if its resists, I'm completely out of luck and generally am about to meet a quick death.

You died because the paladin kept the warrior alive and the WARRIOR killed you. If the warrior was dead and it was just you and the paladin, both having full health and full mana, who do you think would win? You 99% of the time. Paladins have already been nerfed to hell by having our mana return reduced 40% (which is HUGE) and giving an ability for someone to remove our bubble. If everyone had the ability to remove it, then what would be the point of the skill? I'm sorry you lost to a more skilled duo, but don't blame the paladin.

The "cookie cutter" way to defeat a paladin is to force him to bubble early and waste mana (a.k.a always have 2 stings on him, cc him etc.)

So the most effective tactic i can think of is keep the paladin CC'ed/busy while you nuke his friend to oblivion.
Because as said above: a paladin cant kill stuff in pvp (well, maybe a critter but even that might be to hard ;) ) but they are nearly impossible to kill too.

pallies are a ***** in the arena. With your dou, i see two options:

1) Both grab scorpids and keep those poison dots on him along with your viper stings. he'll either waste mana trying to dispel the viper sting (1/6 chance with each cast to dispell one), or he'll know to ignore it in that case and his mana will fall like a rock. Keep kiting the warrior like you know we do best and eat the team up after the pally is oom.

2) Keep the pally cc'd for as long as possible to kill the warrior. Easiest way to do this is roll a Wyvern Sting/Readiness SV hunter: trap -> sting -> readiness & sting -> scorpid to get rid of the dot & trap again. Also, you'll need to pull the warrior as far from the pally as possible and hopefully out of los. Since they have not hots, keep the warrior away from the pally and he will get minimal heals in between the cc's. Warriors are a ***** to take down with their massive hp pool and disgusting dmg mitigation from armor and resilience. Enjoy the fight!

(oh, and no need to roll SV. Intimidation, scatter shot, and the BM/MM burst damage will help, i just enjoy SV)