Second Thoughts about ExecutionerFollow

I just grabbed it today (money isn't really a hard thing to come across so I have no problem trying experimental enchants). I know there is some hard core math out there that shows what I want to hear and if anyone could link that I'd be happy. Here however is what I've seen from this enchant from fighting in pvp today:

1.) It owns cloth/leather classes. You see nearly a 15% dps increase against cloth from this one enchant.

2.) It seems to proc often. However, I heard this proc isn't affected by your weapon speed or haste rating and that its a PPM.

3.) It is horrible against mail/plate classes, sporting at best a 2% increase in damage. Even with expose armor tossed up against your arena geared 70 warrior, he still has close to 11k armor and you're only ignoring ~3k of it. Since the armor scaling isn't linear, this works out to a rather small dps increase.

4.) The proc can't apply on both weapons (although we've known this one).

So... Looking more closely:

The enchant is ineffective against higher armored targets, isn't affected by weapon speed and can't be applied twice. The enchant is extremely effective against lower armoored targets however.

Taking all of this into consideration:

Executioner is an enchant specially designed for Warriors to hurt cloth/leather classes even more than what they already do. With executioner and the armor penetration from the PVP gear, it is quite possible for one warrior to get enough armoro penetration to completely ignore anyone not in mail's armor, thus greatly increasing their DPS. On War vs War the enchant is somewhat ineffective, but there it's really a matter of who is geared better than who.

From my tinkering around, I can tell that when I get a weapon I actually want to seriously pvp with (the season 3 maces for instance) I believe I'm going to enchant dual Mongoose. Seems executioner was just another gift to Warriors (a class that REALLY doesn't need any more gifts) after all.

its a good, if not GREAT, yield of dps on anything not-plate

and keep in mind, 2k EA-600 from gear-570 from serrated blades-1k if you proc the warpspring coil-860 from exec

thats almost 5k? amiright? brings a hunter to its knees, and puts resto sham in the territory of a enhance sham as far as dps taken in

and in a drawn out fight, armor ignore is a stacking buff...the more u got = the more u get from it

so i would more to it over mongoose anyday

exec>20agi>mongoose>7dmg imo

I think exec/mongoose is a pve thing. Mongoose/Mongoose still seems better for pvp.

Bottom right when you enter the queue...

Are you telling me warriors don't attack other warriors?

I was just saying we were meant to be cloth killers, and yes we do need to kill plate wearers, but it usually doesn't end up very well...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3270767499&sid=1

And there's the math. Executioner is a warrior enchant, not because of the damage differences but because executioner is PPM and is a flat out DPS increase for Wars. For rogues, dual mongoose presents a better effect. Since warriors can't get dual mongoose and hence can't get that effect, this is a War enchant!

In which magical pixie fairyland is this possible?



I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, but... sure, let's go with that.

Except that armor ignore only affects your attacks. This isn't an armor debuff on your target; it's a buff on you. No one else in the party/raid benefits from it.

Since it's a personal buff, not a debuff, I'm going to go ahead and assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

that's what i get for trying to make sense when i haven't slept for 38 hours. obviously i'm thinking hemo and writing about executioner...my apologies.

Edited, Dec 9th 2007 12:46pm by tandemman

DW Warriors can obviosly have dual mongoose; however, since warriors don't get AP from agility, mongoose only provides a boost to crit, armor, and haste. For warriors, mongoose isn't nearly as good as putting executioner on one of their weapons.

plz theo, end this thread!