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As an alternative to hemo, I propose this 0/36/25 build for arena.

I'd like your feedback.
This Build Fails. Go 31/30

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 1:00pm by EonSprinter

I'd take two points out of blade twisting and put them in sleight of hand. Otherwise no objections.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZGcV0rVt00hRZxre0MGR

p.s. Tyrandor is a faster typer : / But yeah blade twisting is no good



Edited, Dec 7th 2007 11:18am by Tallysien

I'd you want 4% more atk over a crappier snare with a worst proc rate (and no way to automatically apply it) then an ability you already have, untalented.

But that's just me.

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 11:33am by Tyrandor

alright, but it aint gonna be pretty....

-hemo out-DPE's ss with 3/3 agression and 0/1 SA
-no ghostly strike? goddamn people is 3% stealth speed THAT important, especially since you lack hemo
-no expertise talent? you can find 2 points for it
-2/2 twisting? yes, cant be cleansed but still can be BOF'd so ya, not worth losing the expertise talent you could have had
-no sleight of hand, sigh could be usefull but thats your call
-36 combat, 0/5 potency, yet NO riposte

the build has nowhere it wouldnt gain from hemo, theres no reason to not take it... other then to be unique lol, but your ar/prep maces... i somehow doubt unique was the goal

theres a few standard hemo-ar/prep builds for a reason; moving points around just nerfs unto yourself

for example... your ss ges out-dps'd by hemo, hemo gives more stun procs, and more combo points, and helps any other physical dps!... aside from a SLIGHTLY flashier number, why use ss? moving 2 points into dodge from imp ss is a lil helpful too

the builds lacks any real punch, and isnt fully using its mace stun chances by using ss instead

so ya... ill say, while not epic fail... you could do a lot better with no reason at all not to

and keep in mind, twisting is only off certain moves... 40 energy ss x.2 chance to snare a crip poison rank ONE... averages a 200 energy shiv NOT on demand

worth increasing cast time by second and a half?

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 11:58am by mongoosexcore

- Will Hemo still out DPE SS after the 15% damage nerf?
- I'll reconsider Ghostly Strikes
- What kind of return can I expect from investing in expertise? To be honest I'm not too clear on the recent changes.
- The usefulness of ripost is highly debatable for something that requires six combo points.
- If I moved to the next tier of combat, I'd have to sacrifice some abilities in Subtlety which I'm not sure of.
- Sleight of hand seems to largely be a matter of taste. I just don't have the taste for it, though I'll investigate more.

Not trying to be unique - I'm just trying to find a viable prep build that doesn't use hemo.

Asked my pocket math genius, and he says new Hemo will still outdps Imp SS + Aggression.

You really need SA in order to beat New Hemo.

Ghostly Strike is an incredible ability (It hits HARD and GS + Evasion is godly against warriors and other rogues), you really should take it.

Sleight of Hand is also a pretty good choice...

You should drop 3 point from Camo and get those really.

well lets see
(in my gear, sub build but no agi buff... i may be a lil more dps as far as weapon swing goes then you guys)

550 average swing damage lets say

hemo hits for 605 for 35 energy
ss hits for 648 for 40 energy.. add in 6% more for your build: 687

hemo is 17.29 DPE BEFORE the debuff is added to your white hits
ss is 17.18 DPE

plus hemo generates more cp and more mace stuns... i dont see why not, debuff currently at +42.... if you hit 3 times before your next hemo thast about another 3.6 DPS if you include white damage's debuff addition
(ignore all that, i didnt use the right formulas lol)

edit: eon, camo is just speed.... its slightly faster stealth only vs 79.8 points of half-use resilience, thats why we say move CAMO to sleight, we wouldnt say move HS to it... but people grabbing HS should have SoH too, it only makes sense

and people dont take HS for the stealth sight, its for the -4% chance spells hit you... thats 1/25 chance you dont get hit... pretty good

and SA = surprise attacks, 41 combat talent



Edited, Dec 7th 2007 12:50pm by mongoosexcore

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 1:57pm by mongoosexcore

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 1:58pm by mongoosexcore

Both are good. But SoH is going to be better for you. I would grab both if you can, but not getting SoH and GS is foolish in an AR/Prep build.

I suppose that makes it clear then: 31/30 Hemo is still going to be the top pvp spec even after the 15% decrease in damage.

I need to tweak my build. I'm 31/30 but my distribution is a little off.

Edit- DyslexiaxelsyD

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 12:57pm by EonSprinter

With absolutely no way to force apply it and a rather short duration.

It's a bad idea. There's going to be far too many times someone just books it out of melee range since you can't Shiv to make sure the Crippling lands, and a 20% proc rate on Sinister/Shiv is horribly low.



Your Combat knowledge is weak, Eon-wan Kenobi.



Doubtful.

How much AP do you usually run in PvP gear? 1500? Let's go with a ~100 DPS weapon too at 2.6 speed too.

(1500 * 2.4 / 14 + 100 * 2.6) * 1.10 = 568.854 / 35 = 16.253 DPE
(1500 * 2.4 / 14 + 100 * 2.6 + 98) * 1.06 = 652.048 / 40 = 16.301 DPE

I dun see it, PvP-wise anyway.

HAHA as eon's edit

anyways i guess my formula may have been a lil messed up, but still... **** formulas, they fail

but GUYS

remember, hemo? debuff? at least 2 swings before your next hemo

add at least +1.xx DPE for white swing lol

hemo wins before SA :P

...why would you think that's a good idea? You go off the average damage, not the max damage. The goal isn't to see what the max hit is, but to find out how much damage it does... on average.

At level 63, sure.

I'm at 1582 in my pvp gear atm, I'll be over 1600 when I finish S3.