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#1 Dec 06 2007 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I was wondering what everyone thought about this build.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVEhbxzhxoZxGt0x00x

Now let me explain what I'm hoping to accomplish with a build like this. I'm currently level 67, I'm never going to do any raids. I only play this toon with my brothers warrior and my primary focus is staying alive and keeping the warrior moving and killing. I see his warrior as an extension of my paly's dps. But when healing is not required I need to be able help out some with killing mobs.

I avoided all shield skills because he will be tanking. If I have a shield on I am only using it as an armored stat stick. When doing normal quests I use a fast 2-hander and rely on SoR and reckoning.

Once we hit 70 we will probably try our hand at 2v2 arena..and maybe some heroics. I certainly understand that this build isn't perfect. But does it have enough of the basics to do my job in arena and instances? The only real dps I'm hoping for is coming from reckoning...can I main heal 5-mans without maxing out the holy tree?
#2 Dec 06 2007 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're not tanking, why not take the 5 points out of anticipation and put them in Holy Guidance? The bonus to your healing spells is substantial.

The usefulness of divine illumination is subject to some debate, but personally I find it very useful for healing boss fights where I might be casting Holy Light quite a bit. Light's Grace is another one I find helpful for the same kind of fights. I think both of them are most useful for Paladins who are main healing instances -- they just give you more tools to be more effective when you are using Holy Light for bosses that require more HPS than FoL can provide.
#3 Dec 07 2007 at 1:57 AM Rating: Good
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Improved concentration aura is very nice in arenas, not so beneficial for your warrior friend, but may help you keep him alive.
#4 Dec 07 2007 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the advice guys. Holy guidance and Lights Grace would be great for healing...but by getting these I wouldn't have enough points in Prot tree for Reckoning (which provides me with pretty consistent dps when questing).

I'll definitely keep my eyes on Imp. Concentration when I get to arena. I haven't used that aura at all since it offers no benefit to the warrior. But it may be a good place to drop some of the Anticipation points when I hit 70. If I dropped Anticipation I would have 2 extra points to spend in the Prot tree for Stoicism or Imp. Hammer of Justice. Neither of which impresses me too much. So the build would look like this (with 2 extra points in Stoicism).

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVEhbxzhxoZxGt0Mc0x
#5 Dec 07 2007 at 6:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm.

It really depends on how you want to play I think. If you find that Reckoning is providing you with good DPS, and that suits your playstyle, go for it!

I've stacked spelldamage and get most of my DPS through JoR and Holy Shock -- I don't have Reckoning, and instead have the 41 in Holy, which I find useful for instance healing. But if you don't plan on doing a lot of instance healing, you may forego the 41 points in Holy and have the build you have.
#6 Dec 07 2007 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
At end-game, specialization is the name of the game. Hybrid specs really aren't effective as you tend to just suck in both areas of what you want to do. The build you put up I wouldn't reccomend for either heroics or arena. I have a couple holy builds in the FAQ, look at them and try to see where you would want the points.


If your warrior friend is tanking in a heroic, there is NEVER going to be a time where he doesn't need a heal and you can go ahead and dps, and the same thing goes for 2v2 arena, unless he dies in which case you are going to die shortyly thereafter. Also, him being a warrior, he's going to need two sets, one for tanking and one for arena and he's going to have to respec before doing each one if he wants to be effective.
#7 Dec 07 2007 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I had a hybrid build like you before reaching 70, but at 70 you really need to pick a role and stick to it. If your primary role is to heal and support your warrior friend, talents like reckoning and anticipation are wasted since these talents are only useful if you take alot of hits. For better dps as a support pally, you should try the shockadin playstyle. A shockadin with good spell damage gear can do very good burst damage. Personally, I would also ditch improved lay on hands. I almost never use LoH to heal someone, because it drains all my mana and makes me useless for the rest of the fight. I would put those points in improved Blessing of Wisdom, instead.
#8 Dec 07 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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This build has been working for me..

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-talents.xml?r=Silver+Hand&n=Woolwort
#9 Dec 07 2007 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Well the spec I am currently running works great in everday questing. But it sounds that a respec may be in order once I get to end-game arena/heriocs.

I have read your sticky like 5 times CapJack. I actually started out with one of your builds and then started messing with it a little bit to fit more of my pre-70 playstyle. Great job by the way. Hate to think how long it took to put that much information together.

Thanks again for your time everyone. :-)

#10 Dec 07 2007 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
Paladense wrote:
Well the spec I am currently running works great in everday questing. But it sounds that a respec may be in order once I get to end-game arena/heriocs.

I have read your sticky like 5 times CapJack. I actually started out with one of your builds and then started messing with it a little bit to fit more of my pre-70 playstyle. Great job by the way. Hate to think how long it took to put that much information together.

Thanks again for your time everyone. :-)


Yeah that looks like a great questing build, just wouldn't work too well in end-game for arenas and heroics. And I'm glad you read the FAQ, at least SOME people read it. It took about a week to really work it all out and I've had some minor updates since then.
#11 Dec 07 2007 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Paladense wrote:
I avoided all shield skills because he will be tanking. If I have a shield on I am only using it as an armored stat stick.


Paladense wrote:
but by getting these I wouldn't have enough points in Prot tree for Reckoning (which provides me with pretty consistent dps when questing).


Er, if you're not getting hit, reckoning is sorta... as useful as the shield stuff you rightly didn't take.

Or did they change it to proc based on something else?
#12 Dec 07 2007 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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You are correct, Reckoning is proc'd when hit. But I only wanted Reckoning for the times when I was not going to be healing and would have a fast 2-H up. Primarily non-herioc instance runs and normal duo questing where I get hit a lot.

I don't equip a shield unless I need it for a stat boost (i.e. healing). At these times I am less likely to be hit so I don't really need advanced shield skills.

Long story short...I have no end-game experience and was trying to apply my leveling build to heriocs and 2v2. And as everyone pointed out this simply is not realistic.
#13 Dec 07 2007 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
why fast 2 hander i've yet to see anywhere in pally warrior or any where where a fast two hander is good for dps. i see it working with reckoning but still seems almost to me you would be better going into ret if your going to try to dps some. i tryed to dps in with my pally prot build and it didnt work for crap. seems if i'm not tanking i'm not doing any damange unless i get to off tank 4-5 mobs while tank holds what ever but normaly then i just get made the tank and top the meters.

just seems the bendiction imp judgment and conviction would work better. i maybe wrong but slow weapon more chance to crit seals and judges less mana and less cool down on judgments not to mention slower weapon gonna hit higher have higher crits and will make your judgements higher.

shoot me down if i'm wrong someone with more experance.


edit: also 2 hand weapon spec

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 9:31pm by punkspider
#14 Dec 08 2007 at 3:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I think he's trying to split the baby a bit by getting the higher white damage that a 2h has, while trying to find a faster one to benefit more from Reckoning. What you've written about wanting a slow 2h is true for a Ret build, but he's using a SoR/Reckoning build.

I use a 1h + shield, but I'm not relying on reckoning for DPS. Most of my weapon based DPS comes from SoR (very much outpaces my white damage), and so I like a very fast 1h weapon because I don't care much about the white damage, I just want hits so that I can get the yellow damage from SoR while JoR and HS are on cooldown.
#15 Dec 08 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Gwynhara was pretty much dead on. For the build I'm using (I'll call it my "leveling build" since I won't be keeping it at end-game) I rely on a fast 2-hand to get full advantage of my JoC+SoR+Reckoning attacks. It actually does pretty good damage when that 4-hit per swing Reckoning procs. I'm sure that I can't compete with a deeper Ret build. But I need to invest pretty heavily in Holy to main heal the pre-70 instances.

I used to run with Seal of Command when I was in my 50's and early 60's. But I saw that I was getting slaughtered on the damage meter by my brothers arms/fury warrior. Then I got the Heart Fire Warhammer and that weapons speed didn't work with Seal of Command very well. So I switched tactics and decided to try to use the speed of the weapon to my advantage. I found that my dps actually jumped up significantly while still alowing me to heal instances.

My current spec has been tailored to fit my playstyle, which has evolved a lot over the years. I'll miss it end-game...but maybe I'll like what it evolves into even more. :-)
#16 Dec 08 2007 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I only play this toon with my brothers warrior and my primary focus is staying alive and keeping the warrior moving and killing.


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I avoided all shield skills because he will be tanking


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But when healing is not required I need to be able help out some with killing mobs.


like i said ret should be more dps if it's how your saying there. from what you wrote he's tanking your not getting hit so reckoning wont be procing. thats why i wrote what i did. now if it's the case of you and him both soloing single mob side by side or you tanking and him dps sure reckoning may help out i dont know. just seems to me that if your getting hit enough to keep reckoning up then your probaly getting hit too much and should back off some.
unless i'm missing something? dps shouldnt be getting hit. also if your takeing mobs off the warrior true they get rage from hitting and should have enought to dps that way just fine but him getting hit also gives him more rage wich more stuff he can spam so probaly takeing away some dps from him hence why may look like your doing more, wich you maybe but at the cost of him some.
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