TPS for MS / BT, how much does it generate?Follow

1 damage is 1 threat right? So a 500 damage bt or ms is 500 threat plus 30% Increased threat from tm (correct me if I'm wrong, don't remember where I saw that threat number) is 650 threat. 3/3 defiance is another 15% threat (don't know if that's additive or multiplicative but iirc it's the latter), so that's about 750 threat. Correct me if I'm wrong please, I don't want to spread misinformation.

wowwiki lists shield slam as having an innate threat addition of >300 to a rank 6 shield slam without added threat from block value

MS and BT do not have innate threat.
Defense stance required for the TM bonus.

So if your hitting for 500 with MS, you'll get roughly 149.5% (130% * 115%, threat modifiers are multiplicative) threat from it, doing 747.5 threat.

So if your hitting for 500 with MS, your weapon damage is 390 (+210 from MS = 500).

HS on the other hand does weapon damage + 176 damage + 196 threat, at 130% threat, (390 + 176 + 196) * 130% = 990.6 threat.

It's just HS is on next swing, and MS is an instant. The argument with HS is that it 'eats' your next white hit for rage. But the amount of rage you gain from 390 damage is not as much as you would spend on a MS instead of losing your next hit and spending rage on HS.

At 70; Rage generation = (((7.5 * damage dealt) / 274.7) + 3.5) / 2

So your getting about 7 rage per swing after calculations. HS costs 15, 22 rage total for a higher threat ability.

True, i do need more data to properly compute, weapon speed/ap/crit rates/etc... But I find HS performs better, even with a bonus to threat from TM. 30 rage is just a little high, and white damage is low on TPS (but does matter).

You can, but usually in the arms-prot or fury-prot warrior it is more harder to hold aggro as MS / BT is a major rage wastage when using the incorrect weapon type, when you can use it on other TPS abilities

Example would be trying to tank using SunEater sword for MS, it doesn't cut out yet due to SunEater being a fast weapon speed type, however for slower-speed type single-handed weapons ( Haven't test it yet ), it may or may not work depending on the situation.

I'm gonna test it out later to see if MS / BT can hold aggro enough today since I've got a Kara raid coming up

threat modifiers are multiplicative.

163% * 115% * 130% will be 243.685%

500 * 243.685% = 1218.425. So yes. If you had defiance as well as TM and MS/BT...

I'll fill in some of the math i was missing before; Kings defender (140 average weapon damage), 500 damage MS. Thus, 875 AP. Normalization factor of 2.4 for one hand.

Average weapon damage; 140 + ((875/14) * 1.6) = 240. 240 damage * 115% * 130% = 358.8 threat.

Average rage per white hit; ~5 rage

HS threat; 140 + ((875 /14) * 2.4) + 176 damage + 196 threat = 662 base threat. 662 * 115% * 130% = 989.69 threat.

MS threat; 1218.425 (already done).


Ignoring incoming damage;

So after 6 hits with the KD; that's 30 rage; one MS, 6 hits with KD; 30 rage; one MS
So after 3 hits with the KD, 15 rage; one HS, 3 more hits from KD; 15 rage; one HS, 3 more hits KD; 15 rage; 1 HS.

Repeat cycle...

12 white hits = 4305.6 threat
2 MS = 2436.85 threat
Total; 6742.45 threat over 19.2 seconds, ~351.17 TPS

9 white hits = 3229.2 threat
3 HS = 2969.07 threat
Total; 6198.27 threat over 19.2 seconds, ~322.83 TPS

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But per use (in defensive stance

MS Threat Per Rage; ~40.6
HS TpR; ~66 (realistically less, with the losing of rage and threat from a loss of a white hit)
Revenge TpR; ~132

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So MS with these numbers outperforms HS, slightly.

With incoming damage as a factor, I can probably assume that MS's cooldown will play a bigger factor in equations. So with incoming damage, MS should be on continual CD, and extra rage goes to HS/Revenge.

Revenge damage and threat is pretty static, and the conditional use... ~660 threat per revenge, 5 rage cost, 5 second CD...

...

damnit.

>.<

Forgot 90% damage from Defensive stance... So it should be 10% less overall for damage conversions, but inherent threat is static. So HS gets a small bonus from that...

I was operating under the opinion of 'show your work'. Like a good warrior forum troll should. I don't expect anyone to actually READ the stuff I write. Haha... goes to show that I don't have to go cry myself to sleep in the corner every night because nobody cares. hahaha... ok anyways...

I know that we're doing the whole 500 damage MS TPS thingy. But I just wanna regroup some math and repropose it;


Weapon damage; 240 * 90%, 216 damage
216 * 115% * 130%, 313.092 threat
~4.7 rage per hit... (rounding up to 5 for purposes of cycles)

Mortal strike damage; 500 * 90%, 450 damage
450 * 115% * 130% * 163%, 1096.5825 threat

HS damage; 466 * 90%, 419.4 damage
(419.4 + 196) * 115% * 130%, 920.023 threat

So;

12 White hits + 2 MS cycle -Vrs- 9 White hits + 3 HS cycle
5950.269 threat -Vrs- 5477.897 threat.

MS still wins again, by an even slightly less margin.

So comparing to Shield slam....

Ok - stoping right now.


::EDIT::

CAN"T STOP NOW!!!

Considering this is before mitigation and avoidance of the mob, 300+ TPS from a non-prot build just from white damage rage alone is rather nice, but for 3 talent points, HS performs nearly as well as MS would anyhow. I'd rather fill out Flurry and get 15% more haste on crits for when my OT needs to DPS instead of OTing.

Edited, Dec 8th 2007 1:22pm by devioususer