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#1 Dec 06 2007 at 1:59 AM Rating: Decent
OK so i was looking at the new talent points for 2.3 patch and i came upon Elemental devistation. and i was thinking that with elemental devistation it would help proc Shamanistic focus which would be really great fo elemental specced shamy's. Would this be a good idea to get ED if u got the SF talent or not?
#2 Dec 06 2007 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
NO, its a trick talent. It looks good but don't sacrifice AP, and strength for +spell crit. Never take elem devistation

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would help proc Shamanistic focus which would be really great fo enhancement specced shamy's.


elemental shamans are the casters, enhancement is the melee. Simple error, no biggie.

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 5:10am by Draeneipally
#3 Dec 06 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
Indeed. Enhancement shamans just don't have enough spell crit to make it proc enough. Elemental shamans just don't have enough attack power when it procs. The talent looks better on paper than it is in practice; don't go out of your way to get it.

It'd be good for a Hybrid build... but with the current state of the game, hybrids just aren't feasible and specialization is the name of the game.
#4 Dec 06 2007 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
also, as elemental, you shouldnt be melee'ing unless your OOM.
#5 Dec 06 2007 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
STOP! Elemental devestation is defenately worth it, but in only one case. That would be a suicide build. It help alot there where you are constantly casting as well as meleeing. Doing burst damge is king in pvp and getting an extra 9% to crit is valuable for any fight.

Edit: God I'm terrible at spelling...

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 8:24pm by stUUf
#6 Dec 06 2007 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
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STOP! Elemental devestation is defenately worth it, but in only one case. That would be a suicide build. It help alot there where you are constantly casting as well as meleeing. Doing burst damge is king in pvp and getting an extra 9% to crit is valuable for any fight.


I agree but use the phrase, " worth it" with much discretion. I might argue that its "worth" was about on par as trying to justify LO on Elem as a "worth it" for increasing burst dmg (I'm talking LO pre-2.3 patch).

LO was deemed "unreliable" in the sense that 5% are hard odds to try and live and die on. While as impressive as the proc would be, it happened far and few between. Now, I was a fan of the old 5% base LO...but I understood its overall effectiveness.

ED is very similar in regards, since a base spell crit rate for "most" enh sham's geared for melee dmg....is about 5% ish. While <10% crit isn't bad, if you figuer a standard confrontation time in PvP vs. the # of shocks possible in that frame of time...the overall "chance" to happen is very far and few. Also, take into account the fact that "crit" rate value if you think about it, JUST applies to white dmg. WF proc and WF crit rate has its own set rates, crit amount above 30-ish% is "kinda" wasted. Granted nothings wrong with a 2h white dmg crit when it comes to PvP situations, give the delay, # swings per encounter, base crit rate, etc...a additional crit rate above 30% can be a "good" thing.

Course, as mentioned this type of talent would be more for the "slightly not right in the head" suicide build.

My personal philosophy regarding PvP specs, is that its really YOUR spec. And what I mean by that is PvP really just reflects good or bad solely on the player, for the most part. Considering the general nature of PvE specs are a tad more open to critisim since the nature of PvE is more reliant on others and team play, PvP isn't. While one would immidiately argue points of coop play dynamics, yes that can be "true" to die hard BG Pre-mades and Arena setups...but from a "typical" PUG PvP point of view...intentionally "building" for the "X" factors of pugs...is well stupid :P

Personally, I'm less than "ok" with ED as a talent alone, the "choice" of someone specing it...is well "exotic" so to speak, and if it floats their boat...oh well. Frankly, considering the typical gear stat gearing of Enh specs (or Elem specs for that matter), 9%+ crit frankly isn't that high or would yield "win" results. I look at it in terms of how the old LO would be....if it proc'd, it basically ment that something just died instantly! It looked cool when it happened...but it only happened 5% of the time. They should make ED something more akin to "Next 3 strikes in 10secs will always crit". From a ENh point of view...thats "kinda" like the old LO procing....its rare, but cool! Course from a elem's point of view...it would be more of a "Farming" spec...as procs would be "common" but obviously gearing stats related to Elem specs would tone down the overall effect conciderablly, preventing OP.
#7 Dec 07 2007 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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stUUf wrote:
STOP! Elemental devestation is defenately worth it, but in only one case. That would be a suicide build. It help alot there where you are constantly casting as well as meleeing. Doing burst damge is king in pvp and getting an extra 9% to crit is valuable for any fight.

Edit: God I'm terrible at spelling...

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 8:24pm by stUUf


Wrong.

Suicide builds DO NOT use Elemental Devestation, the points are much better used in talents such as Mental Quickness. We just don't have enough Spell Crit to pull off that talent, an extra 9% crit won't be helpful if it isn't constant.
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