http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Fanoran
I have so many days logged, and have ran dungeons enough times, and I've gotten nothing!! I've gotten the worst dungeon luck =( It's either failed party, or party with 2 hunters and I lose the roll, or no drops at all....frustrations!!!
Anyway, my guilds complaining my DPS sucks for Kara...which, with my DPS rating only at like 260, I dont blame them.
I'm not geared enough for Heroic's, either. I used the upgrade function on the armor and wrote down at least 8 things I can go get...one of them was in SV, and I've ran SV 4 times in the past 2 days and haven't gotten the drop -.-
I've also been trying for 2 days straight spamming LFG for an SH party...gotten absolutely nothing.
Anyways, how bad is my situation right now? I'm not incompetent or anything, I know how to play my class, my gear just really really sucks -.-
p.s - Ignore my professions, the enchanting thing was someone else on my account for a day =/
edit - Okay, my armory profile I guess doesnt want to update, but I have the honored Violet ring, the purple one with 50 AP.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 2:07am by Fanoran
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K, I've looked at your armory profile (BTW your ring shows up there).
Talents are ok (basically BM raid cookie cutter)
From the reputation I can see that this is a rather new character. You did not run those dungeons many times, believe me. You don't have any dungeon faction on revered. You cannot have done more than 5 or 6 instance runs for those factions. It takes time to aquire gear, no need to whine early about bad luck or stuff like this. Once you got all those factions to exalted (which really does not take so much time) and still don't have seen most drops which you are interested in it might be time to QQ more, but till then just do those dungeons a few more times.
Your choice of gear is quite ok, you know for which stats you have to look.
Your gear in total is not that crappy. You still have some greens and may want some upgrades there before entering deeper into Karazhan. However there are a lot of crafted items / boe blues which can be upgrades for you. Your HP, mana, AP and crit is way to low. HP and mana will come with gear upgrades.
Your low AP and crit however can easily be explained.
Partly this is because of some crappy items you wear. The other part however is that you do not enchant your gear and only put in crappy gems.
I saw exactly one! enchant on your char (crit to shoulders). You don't even have the cheapest enchants.
You wear the bracers from Atumen which are really nice for your level of progression and there is no enchant on those. Assault on bracers only costs 6 arcane dust. On gloves it would cost another 8 arcane dust for a total of 50 ap.
Your melee weapon is not bad (there is a ******** of stats on it) and you did not get savagery enchanted which would net you another 70AP.
An armor patch on your pants might net you some additional hp. I'd take the 30sta/10agi one. It is relatively cheap and gives you a ton of stats.
I don't understand why anyone buys gems from vendors. Those cost roughly the same as the green quality gems cost which give more stats. Search the ah for some 12ap gems and socket those wherever your socket bonus is crap.
So, put on those enchants on your good items, do some more dungeons or buy some boe blues for the other slots and enchant afterwards. Replace all vendor gems imediately.
After you have done that come back here and report on your progress :-)
Talents are ok (basically BM raid cookie cutter)
From the reputation I can see that this is a rather new character. You did not run those dungeons many times, believe me. You don't have any dungeon faction on revered. You cannot have done more than 5 or 6 instance runs for those factions. It takes time to aquire gear, no need to whine early about bad luck or stuff like this. Once you got all those factions to exalted (which really does not take so much time) and still don't have seen most drops which you are interested in it might be time to QQ more, but till then just do those dungeons a few more times.
Your choice of gear is quite ok, you know for which stats you have to look.
Your gear in total is not that crappy. You still have some greens and may want some upgrades there before entering deeper into Karazhan. However there are a lot of crafted items / boe blues which can be upgrades for you. Your HP, mana, AP and crit is way to low. HP and mana will come with gear upgrades.
Your low AP and crit however can easily be explained.
Partly this is because of some crappy items you wear. The other part however is that you do not enchant your gear and only put in crappy gems.
I saw exactly one! enchant on your char (crit to shoulders). You don't even have the cheapest enchants.
You wear the bracers from Atumen which are really nice for your level of progression and there is no enchant on those. Assault on bracers only costs 6 arcane dust. On gloves it would cost another 8 arcane dust for a total of 50 ap.
Your melee weapon is not bad (there is a ******** of stats on it) and you did not get savagery enchanted which would net you another 70AP.
An armor patch on your pants might net you some additional hp. I'd take the 30sta/10agi one. It is relatively cheap and gives you a ton of stats.
I don't understand why anyone buys gems from vendors. Those cost roughly the same as the green quality gems cost which give more stats. Search the ah for some 12ap gems and socket those wherever your socket bonus is crap.
So, put on those enchants on your good items, do some more dungeons or buy some boe blues for the other slots and enchant afterwards. Replace all vendor gems imediately.
After you have done that come back here and report on your progress :-)
If money is the issue for not having decent gems and enchants or even BoE blues from the AH, then drop Enchanting, take up mining or herbalism, and work up your skinning. At 98 enchanting, you can't even DE Outland greens for mats to sell on the AH, and it would cost hundreds of gold to work it up to that point.
And don't run with other hunters unless it's a guild-sponsored raid. I've had nothing but bad luck with running with other hunters. It's kinda like having too many cooks in the kitchen.
And don't run with other hunters unless it's a guild-sponsored raid. I've had nothing but bad luck with running with other hunters. It's kinda like having too many cooks in the kitchen.
Indeed. Mostly just check the AH. There are plenty of upgrades you can get there.
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Well I tend to agree with Mulgrin, it would beso easy to upgrade your gear / stats to the level that would make you get acceptable stats. The armory profile you have shown gives inflated stats as those are partially buffed stats (sta buff and int buff).
stealing from the excellent pre-raid gear for kara sticky:
"for every hunter, ~7k hp ~6.5k mp will be good
BM: 20% crit and 1700AP
MM: 20% crit and 2000AP
SV: 27.5% crit and 1550AP (650-700 Agi unbuffed)
(AP with AotH)
Note: these stats are to aim for, they are relatively high and generally high enough for the whole of karazhan"
If I see it correctly, you are unbuffed currently (substracting the buffs) at 6.8k hp and 6.4mp. At least rather close to the health and mana stats needed. And it will be easy to push you over: +8 sta knothide armor kits cost almost nothing to make (4 knothode leather) or even better +10sta heavy knothide kits (3 heavy knothide leather), which can be attached to head (you have no glyph on it), chest and feet at least, that is +30 sta real easy and cheap, translating into 300 health pushing you way over the 7k hp.
Leg item you use seems ok for now, so maybe (Mulgrin mentions one too) spent a leg armor kit on it. Either clefthide leg armor (+30 sta +10agi) or cobrahide leg armor (+40 AP and +10 crit rate). As sta is easier to get by (see above), I suggest the cobrahide to boost your AP and crit. On my server these leg armors go for around 60g, but I noted you are a skinner.....spent a couple of hours levelling your skinning (making some gold selling loot on the way), farm the leather needed and have LW make a kit for a crafting fee of 5-10g max.....
The AP enchants (definately for the epic bracers but also on the gloves), as Mulgrin suggested, cost 14 arcane dust in total. On my server arcane dust averages around 2g per piece so only around 28g for 50AP. Doing 2-3 daily quest will get you that (better than spamming LFG channel waiting for a good PUG to assemble).
Another way to increase some of the stats you need might be getting some (only some selected pieces) epic PVP gear. Even doing only the daily BG quest will net you around 800-1000 honor each day (taking maybe 30 minutes) and for instance the vindicator boots would cost you the mp/5 on your green boots but add (above the stats on the green boots) 48 sta, 10 agi, 8int, 2AP (due to the extra 10 agi adding to the AP) and about 1% crit rate). Oh and maybe worth mentioning the daily BG quest will get you around 12g each time too.....
While collecting that gold doing some daily quests you can easily afford to replace some greenies, so follow Mulgrins advice and do so. For instance have a LW make you a felstalker breastplate, which will seriously add to your AP (socket two +12 AP gems, costing about 2g each). Look in the sticky pre raid gear for easy to get crafted items or quested (outside instances).
stealing from the excellent pre-raid gear for kara sticky:
"for every hunter, ~7k hp ~6.5k mp will be good
BM: 20% crit and 1700AP
MM: 20% crit and 2000AP
SV: 27.5% crit and 1550AP (650-700 Agi unbuffed)
(AP with AotH)
Note: these stats are to aim for, they are relatively high and generally high enough for the whole of karazhan"
If I see it correctly, you are unbuffed currently (substracting the buffs) at 6.8k hp and 6.4mp. At least rather close to the health and mana stats needed. And it will be easy to push you over: +8 sta knothide armor kits cost almost nothing to make (4 knothode leather) or even better +10sta heavy knothide kits (3 heavy knothide leather), which can be attached to head (you have no glyph on it), chest and feet at least, that is +30 sta real easy and cheap, translating into 300 health pushing you way over the 7k hp.
Leg item you use seems ok for now, so maybe (Mulgrin mentions one too) spent a leg armor kit on it. Either clefthide leg armor (+30 sta +10agi) or cobrahide leg armor (+40 AP and +10 crit rate). As sta is easier to get by (see above), I suggest the cobrahide to boost your AP and crit. On my server these leg armors go for around 60g, but I noted you are a skinner.....spent a couple of hours levelling your skinning (making some gold selling loot on the way), farm the leather needed and have LW make a kit for a crafting fee of 5-10g max.....
The AP enchants (definately for the epic bracers but also on the gloves), as Mulgrin suggested, cost 14 arcane dust in total. On my server arcane dust averages around 2g per piece so only around 28g for 50AP. Doing 2-3 daily quest will get you that (better than spamming LFG channel waiting for a good PUG to assemble).
Another way to increase some of the stats you need might be getting some (only some selected pieces) epic PVP gear. Even doing only the daily BG quest will net you around 800-1000 honor each day (taking maybe 30 minutes) and for instance the vindicator boots would cost you the mp/5 on your green boots but add (above the stats on the green boots) 48 sta, 10 agi, 8int, 2AP (due to the extra 10 agi adding to the AP) and about 1% crit rate). Oh and maybe worth mentioning the daily BG quest will get you around 12g each time too.....
While collecting that gold doing some daily quests you can easily afford to replace some greenies, so follow Mulgrins advice and do so. For instance have a LW make you a felstalker breastplate, which will seriously add to your AP (socket two +12 AP gems, costing about 2g each). Look in the sticky pre raid gear for easy to get crafted items or quested (outside instances).
You are saying you do 260dps in kara? That is way too low, even for your gear. You are using steady/auto rotation and keeping a pet on target, I hope. Just doing that, even if you were naked and having that Valanos would still net higher dps than 260.
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
Elustriel wrote:
You are saying you do 260dps in kara? That is way too low, even for your gear. You are using steady/auto rotation and keeping a pet on target, I hope. Just doing that, even if you were naked and having that Valanos would still net higher dps than 260.
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
I think he means that he does fairly low dps and justifies this with his tooltip dps being at only ~260.
Thus he does low dps not because he is stupid, but because his gear is bad.
Mulgrin wrote:
Elustriel wrote:
You are saying you do 260dps in kara? That is way too low, even for your gear. You are using steady/auto rotation and keeping a pet on target, I hope. Just doing that, even if you were naked and having that Valanos would still net higher dps than 260.
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
Look at your dmg range tool tip. It states 263, so yah I would understand if you were just auto shotting.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 6:44am by Elustriel
I think he means that he does fairly low dps and justifies this with his tooltip dps being at only ~260.
Thus he does low dps not because he is stupid, but because his gear is bad.
Yah, I misread. That is what happens when you reply at 6:44am with no sleep.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 7:14am by Elustriel
Sorry to say this, but when it comes down to it, almost every other hunter who had to get geared before running Kara had to go through the same crapp you are going through right now. So, without being mean, just saying it like it is. Suck it up and get back to running those instances, whining on a forum isn't going to get you geared.
I'm loving all of the advice =D
-The PVP deal i've seriously been looking into, and I've been doing the PVP quests, so my honor has shot up. Doing AV a few times a day could get me to that goal in no time?
-I've never thought about enchants until way later, b/c I feel like a lot of this gear is gonna get replaced really fast. But maybe for the bracers, ya you're right.
-The vendor gems I can't explain lol, those definately will go next.
-Money isn't a giant issue for me, though I just had to pay off a 200g loan to a friend so I'm broke again lol...But my money income is saying very steady with dungeons I run.
-5 or 6 does perhaps seem like the amount of times I had...I guess it just seemed longer because I took a little break from this guy to level my druid.
So today's goals, now that I actually have a guild (I just joined mine 2 days ago, and we got destroyed by Moroes lol) Can take me through dunegeons and I can avoid pugs, is to get the bracer enchant, any other enchants for good items, and replace my gems. Try to get those dungeon runs in too, if I can hit revered with CE (shoul only take 1 more run) I can use the 37dps arrows.
All this is helping, thanks =D Anyone else would input that would be great :p
-The PVP deal i've seriously been looking into, and I've been doing the PVP quests, so my honor has shot up. Doing AV a few times a day could get me to that goal in no time?
-I've never thought about enchants until way later, b/c I feel like a lot of this gear is gonna get replaced really fast. But maybe for the bracers, ya you're right.
-The vendor gems I can't explain lol, those definately will go next.
-Money isn't a giant issue for me, though I just had to pay off a 200g loan to a friend so I'm broke again lol...But my money income is saying very steady with dungeons I run.
-5 or 6 does perhaps seem like the amount of times I had...I guess it just seemed longer because I took a little break from this guy to level my druid.
So today's goals, now that I actually have a guild (I just joined mine 2 days ago, and we got destroyed by Moroes lol) Can take me through dunegeons and I can avoid pugs, is to get the bracer enchant, any other enchants for good items, and replace my gems. Try to get those dungeon runs in too, if I can hit revered with CE (shoul only take 1 more run) I can use the 37dps arrows.
All this is helping, thanks =D Anyone else would input that would be great :p
Fanoran wrote:
-I've never thought about enchants until way later, b/c I feel like a lot of this gear is gonna get replaced really fast. But maybe for the bracers, ya you're right.
Those bracers will last you either until you buy the heroic badges bracers or until you get the random drop bracers in tempest keep.
Both will be at least a few weeks away (for your heroic badges you'll want that trinket first, bloodlust brooch 41 badges, lasts at least till deep into SSC).
Enchants are a tricky thing since they can drain your money really fast (however if you have one or two gathering professions money will never be a problem). Although I'd always enchant bracers and gloves with assault. Those are not very expensive, but really make a difference to your fire power. +6 to all stats on breastplate for example can easily wait till you have a rather good breastplate as this thing is really expensive for the improvement you get out of it.
Might I point out that according to Cheeky's spreadsheet, the best usage of arena points is NOT to get the Waraxe, but instead to spend a couple more weeks and get the helm, which clocks in at only just below Gronnstalker for dps. Do whatever you can to get Thrallmar rep, it is designed for hunters. Blackened Spear is the unlucky man's Sonic Spear, as I well know, and Marksman's Bow is an excellent BM hunter weapon (though if you get Wolfslayer from Kara you're set until at least Hyjal/BT).
If you're doing average dps, swallow your pride and use the Steady Shot macro. It is so helpful you would not believe, and you've got enough on your plate watching your pet and controlling it effectively. Don't run dungeons with the intention of getting any loot and only focus on rep, that way you're pleasantly surprised when stuff does drop. Keep going to Coilfang for CE rep, the helm enchant is awesome and you're not far off.
Other than that, do what everyone else has said. Slap some scopes, cheap enchants, armour patches, and at least green gems into your gear and watch your dps soar. Also, though its a minor thing, you might want to respec to 1/5 Endurance Training and 4/5 Frenzy to get Animal Handler. Finally, if you can try and get Blessing of Might over whatever you're normally given, and any of: feral druid, shadow priest, shaman, marks hunter in your group for the dps boosts they provide, and feel free to use potions and elixirs.
If you're doing average dps, swallow your pride and use the Steady Shot macro. It is so helpful you would not believe, and you've got enough on your plate watching your pet and controlling it effectively. Don't run dungeons with the intention of getting any loot and only focus on rep, that way you're pleasantly surprised when stuff does drop. Keep going to Coilfang for CE rep, the helm enchant is awesome and you're not far off.
Other than that, do what everyone else has said. Slap some scopes, cheap enchants, armour patches, and at least green gems into your gear and watch your dps soar. Also, though its a minor thing, you might want to respec to 1/5 Endurance Training and 4/5 Frenzy to get Animal Handler. Finally, if you can try and get Blessing of Might over whatever you're normally given, and any of: feral druid, shadow priest, shaman, marks hunter in your group for the dps boosts they provide, and feel free to use potions and elixirs.
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It takes time. When I started Kara with my guild I had almost the same equipment you did, and I was down 5th or 6th on dps meters. Now I run top three and normally top on crit.
Just keep running and keep rolling. If you're in a good guild, they'll do a good roll system. I think I got three drops out of my first Kara run. Everyone knew I needed the equipment so there was alot of passing that day.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 2:58pm by Beestun
Just keep running and keep rolling. If you're in a good guild, they'll do a good roll system. I think I got three drops out of my first Kara run. Everyone knew I needed the equipment so there was alot of passing that day.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 2:58pm by Beestun
17 Sv runs for shoulders, 25 for legs.
13 Sethekk runs for boots (wich were replaced twice within a week)
10+ runs of SL for the spear and no luck.
And i think i can continue on like that...
So until you've ran an instance 15+ times it aint much ;)
Also, check my sticky (pre-raid list) because i've got a fair number of questgear listed too.
And enchants are worth it on lv 70ish blue pieces, ofcourse you should also use potions/food to buff yourself an extra bit. (ravager dog + the agi/crit potion will add a huge amount of damage)
13 Sethekk runs for boots (wich were replaced twice within a week)
10+ runs of SL for the spear and no luck.
And i think i can continue on like that...
So until you've ran an instance 15+ times it aint much ;)
Also, check my sticky (pre-raid list) because i've got a fair number of questgear listed too.
And enchants are worth it on lv 70ish blue pieces, ofcourse you should also use potions/food to buff yourself an extra bit. (ravager dog + the agi/crit potion will add a huge amount of damage)
i was exalted with lower city before i got the spear. i got really lucky with my beast lord set. also my group kill the first boss in kara about 6 times before i ever got any drops..
so keep trucking.
Edited, Dec 7th 2007 5:29am by Slammerofkooter
so keep trucking.
Edited, Dec 7th 2007 5:29am by Slammerofkooter
slammerofkooter wrote:
also my group kill the first boss in kara about 6 times before i ever got any drops..
We've had the whole place top to bottom on farm for about 5 weeks and were clearing everything but Nightbane and Netherspite for a few weeks before that, and the only thing I've ever even seen drop, let alone won the roll for, for me in the first floor was Wolfslayer's. Seen Moroes' pocket watch about 57 times though...
Alright, update. Reclick my link.
I threw on some enchants, pushed to Revered with CE and Thrall, and got some weapon upgrades.
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
I threw on some enchants, pushed to Revered with CE and Thrall, and got some weapon upgrades.
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
Fanoran wrote:
I threw on some enchants, pushed to Revered with CE and Thrall, and got some weapon upgrades.
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
Green quality gems should only run like 2G max, and are better than what you have socketed. You aren't in too bad of shape now. Get a scope, +10 is pretty cheap, but if you have to go smaller then it is still better than nothing.
As for spec, don't rely on your pet. Rely on Serpent's swiftnes+steady shot and TBW for damage. ;)
Do your dailies, and get some gold coming in. The pvp one is easy and worth ~12G and 450 honor, and the non-heroic dungeon quest should not only net you some decent gold, but upgrades as well. There are still some things you could upgrade off the AH and knocking out quests is an easy to way to rake in cash at 70.
Edit: Knock out some BG time. The daily should more than pay for the cost of your arrows, and there are some really good items. The epic (not S1) boots and necklace are both PVE upgrades for me. I'm sure there are more than a few things you can get that would up your stats significantly.
Edited, Dec 9th 2007 6:55am by Ieatrocks
Im actually trying to work towards the 27k honor epic bow, the gladiator crossbow i think its called.
I've been doing my dailys, but lately though, my cash flow gets spent right away on repairs/enchants. I still need to buy new leg armor, and all that jazz.
I've been doing my dailys, but lately though, my cash flow gets spent right away on repairs/enchants. I still need to buy new leg armor, and all that jazz.
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Here is my link: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bonechewer&n=Mildenhall I top the dps charts almost everytime in kara. Take a look at my chants and gear. I have alot of pvp gear but i am steadily putting mp5 replacements on from kara, as i run out of mana after two or three pulls. I use about 2 or mana pots on bosses and tey to have a shadow priest in my group to keep feeding me mana, lol.
My pvp gear might be up on the armory, but if you look after wed, sun and monday nights i usually have my pve loaded after our raid times.
Mildenhall
My pvp gear might be up on the armory, but if you look after wed, sun and monday nights i usually have my pve loaded after our raid times.
Mildenhall
Fanoran wrote:
Alright, update. Reclick my link.
I threw on some enchants, pushed to Revered with CE and Thrall, and got some weapon upgrades.
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
I threw on some enchants, pushed to Revered with CE and Thrall, and got some weapon upgrades.
My problem is now, im having trouble finding gems (Mainly b/c I dont have the money to buy them off the AH lol) But yeah.
I have a question about spec, though. I really hate having to rely on my pet in BM for any damage. I want to respec to Marks, or Surv, but I know its all based on gear. So what other gear would I want to look for if I wanted to respec to, say, marksman?
You don't rely on your pet for DPS at all. As long as your pet is at least active (doesn't have to be fighting), you'll do just as much damage yourself BM as you would MM. That's because of Serpent's Swiftness, Ferocious Inspiration (when the pet crits, which should be a lot), and The Beast Within. Then your pet does more damage, so your best DPS is with BM.
I was so stubborn to go to BM from MM for a long time, but I finally did it, and I've been amazed at my DPS. My tooltip DPS barely budged when I respecc'ed, and that's just standing still. When I'm in combat, it SOARS above what my tooltip DPS used to be because of Quick Shot and FI procs.
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