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we're working on getting a kara group together. i'll be main tank healer, and we have a resto shammy thats gonna be healing also. i know what i need for myself as a pally but i know next to nothing about shammy healing. i've been trying to help him as much as possible but i don't know what stats he should really be looking for to heal in kara. any advice would be helpful. his name is archangel on kael'thas if you want to armory him.
Scholar
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Hi there...
First off I want to start with a build. Currently I'm using a 0/5/56 build for the 5% increase in my mana pool. He must Pick up Mana Tide Totem its really necessary.
Stats wise... The normal pre-kara requirements will do. 1000 +healing, about 80 Mp5, and for me it helps to get as big a mana pool as possible, so about 10k mana if he can get it.
Strategy... 1) Keep Mana spring totem and the +101 DMG&Healing totem up (slipped my mind witch one it is) all the time. After patch 2.3 its really necessary to keep Water shield up all the time as it gives about +50 Mp5. In boss fights throw down your Mana Tide Totem when you get to about 5k mana left (Make sure to throw down mana spring right after because Mana Tide doesn't last long). Shamans struggle not to go OOM so for the longer "Healing Heavy" encounters you must buy Super Mana Potion.
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient). If your party is tanking damage or more than one raid member for that matter then Chain Heal is King! Earth Shield up all the time on your MT/OT.
Shamans are sometimes considered as the best raid healers because of Chain Heal. Your healing spells only receive some of your +Healing. Im not exactly sure how much, but it is something like this... Lesser Healing Wave: Use 43% of +Healing.
Healing Wave: Use 83% of +Healing. Chain Heal: A whopping 123% of your +Healing.
Made my point...
Remember Tremor Totem(Anti Fear Totem) at the Trash before Attuman.
Hope my Info helps a bit. I'm currently using all of the above mentioned and I'm normally the number one Healer in the Raid.
Enjoy.
HZ
First off I want to start with a build. Currently I'm using a 0/5/56 build for the 5% increase in my mana pool. He must Pick up Mana Tide Totem its really necessary.
Stats wise... The normal pre-kara requirements will do. 1000 +healing, about 80 Mp5, and for me it helps to get as big a mana pool as possible, so about 10k mana if he can get it.
Strategy... 1) Keep Mana spring totem and the +101 DMG&Healing totem up (slipped my mind witch one it is) all the time. After patch 2.3 its really necessary to keep Water shield up all the time as it gives about +50 Mp5. In boss fights throw down your Mana Tide Totem when you get to about 5k mana left (Make sure to throw down mana spring right after because Mana Tide doesn't last long). Shamans struggle not to go OOM so for the longer "Healing Heavy" encounters you must buy Super Mana Potion.
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient). If your party is tanking damage or more than one raid member for that matter then Chain Heal is King! Earth Shield up all the time on your MT/OT.
Shamans are sometimes considered as the best raid healers because of Chain Heal. Your healing spells only receive some of your +Healing. Im not exactly sure how much, but it is something like this... Lesser Healing Wave: Use 43% of +Healing.
Healing Wave: Use 83% of +Healing. Chain Heal: A whopping 123% of your +Healing.
Made my point...
Remember Tremor Totem(Anti Fear Totem) at the Trash before Attuman.
Hope my Info helps a bit. I'm currently using all of the above mentioned and I'm normally the number one Healer in the Raid.
Enjoy.
HZ
ChevalSA wrote:
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
GWynand wrote:
ChevalSA wrote:
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
Yeah. Even as an elemental shaman, I know LWH being mana efficient is bullcrap. But he actually got most of being a resto shaman right. Gotta debate on the mp5 though.
Scholar
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ChevalSA wrote:
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
What I meant is that for a Shaman, Lesser healing Wave is the most mana efficient way of healing. What else you going to use... Healing Wave? Chain Heal? They both cost more mana and have longer casting times... Therefor Lesser Healing Wave is the most mana efficient way of healing for a Shaman.
He asked info on the Resto Shaman not about all the other haeling clases.
You understand what I meant now?
ty everyone for the help. so basically 1k healing, 10k mana, and 80mp5, right? does spell crit matter much for shamans like it does for pallies? if so, how much should he have?
and on the heal, i know what you mean. i don't know the shammy heals, but i know for pallies, FoL (the smallest heal) is the most efficient for pallies. sounds like the same for you guys.
i'll probably be on MT as pally, and have shammy with chain heal cover aoe situations as much as possible. i'll jump in as healing the MT allows. it seems to me a pally and shammy healers combination should be a good one for most situations.
and on the heal, i know what you mean. i don't know the shammy heals, but i know for pallies, FoL (the smallest heal) is the most efficient for pallies. sounds like the same for you guys.
i'll probably be on MT as pally, and have shammy with chain heal cover aoe situations as much as possible. i'll jump in as healing the MT allows. it seems to me a pally and shammy healers combination should be a good one for most situations.
ChevalSA wrote:
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ChevalSA wrote:
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
2) The Heals: Use lesser healing wave most of the time on the tank (mana efficient).
Wait...what?!
What I meant is that for a Shaman, Lesser healing Wave is the most mana efficient way of healing. What else you going to use... Healing Wave? Chain Heal? They both cost more mana and have longer casting times... Therefor Lesser Healing Wave is the most mana efficient way of healing for a Shaman.
He asked info on the Resto Shaman not about all the other haeling clases.
You understand what I meant now?
Lesser Healing Wave is the shaman's most inefficient heal, it's quick when needed but using healing wave is a better alternative in a long fight. The most efficient are chain heal(only if it hits 3 people) and healing stream but may not be effective in all situations.
Here are the untalented, no bonus numbers (because I'm lazy):
Rank 12 Healing Wave : 2134 - 2436 healing for 720 mp
Rank 7 Lesser Healing Wave : 1039 - 1185 healing for 440 mp
R12 HW : 2285 / 720 or 3.17 healing/mp
R7 LHW : 1112 / 440 or 2.52 healing/mp
Considering that healing wave receives 85% of your bonus healing and lesser healing wave only receives ~43% this should amplify the difference. I would go further in figuring out the numbers but I don't know exactly how the talents are multiplied in to the equation. Considering that Tidal Focus(-5% mana cost on heals), purification(10% bonus on heals) and nature's blessing(30% of int in healing added) apply to both spells I highly doubt that LHW would be more efficient than HW in terms of mp.
Looking at it another way LHW is 1.5 second cast vs HW's 2.5(assumed improved HW) second cast so you can get 5 LHW's in the time of 3 HW's.
LHW - 5560 = 5 * 1112
HW - 6846 = 3 * 2285
W/o Improved healing wave:
LHW - 4448 = 4 * 1112
HW - 4570 = 2 * 2285
So you can't heal more hp/second using LHW than HW. The only times I can see where LHW should be used vs healing was would be:
1) You're healing a lower level character and HW is a waste due to overheal
2) You're at full mp and need to top someone off as you're wasting mp by being full
3) Someone is going to die and 1.5 seconds will save them but 2.5 seconds will not
4) You don't have enough mp for HW but you do have enough for LHW
Basic stats he is looking for should be:
+1100 healing unbuffed
+50-60 MP5 unbuffed
~9000 mana unbuffed
~7500 HP unbuffed
These stats should give him somewhere around +1400 healing, ~100 MP5, 11k mana, and about 9k health.
Grandmother Baelnic has a very nice thread with the specific pieces of gear he can look for, which you should be able to find on the 2nd or 3rd page of these forums.
Edit: I just looked at Baelnic's post again and it's really not as comprehensive for pre-Kara stuff as I thought it was. Give me a few minutes and I'll throw up a list of stuff I put together.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 10:37pm by Bigdaddyjug
+1100 healing unbuffed
+50-60 MP5 unbuffed
~9000 mana unbuffed
~7500 HP unbuffed
These stats should give him somewhere around +1400 healing, ~100 MP5, 11k mana, and about 9k health.
Grandmother Baelnic has a very nice thread with the specific pieces of gear he can look for, which you should be able to find on the 2nd or 3rd page of these forums.
Edit: I just looked at Baelnic's post again and it's really not as comprehensive for pre-Kara stuff as I thought it was. Give me a few minutes and I'll throw up a list of stuff I put together.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 10:37pm by Bigdaddyjug
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so basically 1k healing, 10k mana, and 80mp5, right?
Thereabouts. 1000 +healing (on the character sheet, not just from gear) is the standard I hear. Mana should be about 9000-10000; most boss fights in kara are shorter than 25-mans, so your longevity will come from your mana pool--as fights get longer you'll want to transition to more m/5 instead. 80 m/5 should be good for kara, and this is the area most PvP geared toons are lacking.
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does spell crit matter much for shamans like it does for pallies?
Not very much, and not nearly as important as paladins: shamans don't have an Illumination-type talent.
Resto shamans should focus on +heals, +m/5, +INT, and +STA roughly in that order (and depending on type of fight). Anything other than that is gravy.
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i know for pallies, FoL (the smallest heal) is the most efficient for pallies. sounds like the same for you guys.
No no no. It's efficient for pallies because of Illumination. We don't have that, so our efficiency needs to come from downranked Healing Waves. See SkibumOnShiva above me for the math: he's right. Lesser Healing Wave is good for spot heals on trash, a panic heal when NS is on cooldown, and PvP. It should never be a PvE bread-and-butter heal (except on specialty fights like Vael) since the hpm is so inefficient.
The most efficient way to heal for shamans is Chain Heal, by far--assuming it can reach 3 targets. For single-target heals, use downranked Healing Waves (I like rank 8 and 10) on top of a 3-stack of Healing Way (you can use 1-second-cast rank 1 Healing Wave to apply the buff).
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i'll probably be on MT as pally, and have shammy with chain heal cover aoe situations as much as possible.
Indeed. As a pally, you'll be stuck on the MT for the rest of your healing career just since you're so good at it (and have no AoE heals). The shaman opperates best as a Chain Heal spammer.
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