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#1 Dec 04 2007 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
In the past few weeks I loose many nerves when I was killed very fast on BG by paper classes(3 critics 2-2,5k BM hunter devastaded me)and have problem to kill fast anything with 100% health.I even start thinking about reroll.

I write a post about my feelings and one of answer was L2p.

Ofcourse wise answer and on this forum I can find many good topics how improve my skills(keybinding especially) but I met aswell with one opinion of my frend-
"If you start learning all that stuff(keybinding etc.)on lvl 70 you will never be good-You should learn how to play(keybind your skills)from beginning-now its almast impossible or impossible to L2p.

What You think-can old dog learn new tricks or learning when You are 70 is to late to became good PvP player.

#2 Dec 04 2007 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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never too late
#3 Dec 04 2007 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Your friend is dead wrong.
#4 Dec 04 2007 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
What can you learn at the start of the game that you can't learn now?
You have every skill you start with and more.
And also you have a wider variety of mobs around outlands and azeroth to practice skills on, and not worry too much about dying due to all the skills you have.
Poke your friend in the eye and tell him he's a noob.
#5 Dec 04 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree...it is never to late to get better.

I myself did not learn to keybind until just before I moved to Outlands, and now I am able to hold my own quite well in PvP, where I was a clutz prior.
#6 Dec 04 2007 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
Thx:)
So i will wait only for my razer diamondback 3G mouse and practice:)
#7 Dec 04 2007 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
It's never to late to start.

I myself only started to keybind and turn with the mouse well after my 2nd toon reached level 60.

That being said, now even my lowbie alts have an intricated keybinding pattern going on.

Fun things I've noticed, but '4' is my interupt (kick, counterspell, pummel, earth shock, etc) on every toon.
#8 Dec 04 2007 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:

Fun things I've noticed, but '4' is my interupt (kick, counterspell, pummel, earth shock, etc) on every toon.


I would think this occurs with a lot of people. At the very least, I'm the same way.

Blind/Fear/other CCs are all on 6. Slowing/immobilizing effects on 4 (including Pally Stun). I'm sure there's more.
#9 Dec 04 2007 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I just drag and drop as I need until 70, then I actually focus on where the best place to put each move is.
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#10 Dec 04 2007 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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RuinatorVek wrote:
What can you learn at the start of the game that you can't learn now?
You have every skill you start with and more.
And also you have a wider variety of mobs around outlands and azeroth to practice skills on, and not worry too much about dying due to all the skills you have.
Poke your friend in the eye and tell him he's a noob.


I think the only reasons why it *can* be easier to "L2P" with a new character are:

1) The limited options
2) Discipline (are you prepared to act as if you only have limited options?)

1) When you only have a few abilities available to you, it's easier to get to learn those abilities well. When you're trying to learn how to play your character better, you're forced to focus only on the options you have at your disposal, and should gain some mastery of them by the time you pick up the next fun abilities.

2) When you have everything at your disposal, are you prepared to restrict yourself only to those tactics you don't normally use? Are you prepared to risk a corpse-run rather than resorting to your oh-sh*t button when things aren't going right? Will you blind one mob, and gouge the other to buy time for a bandage, when you can just vanish and run, or BF/AR and burn them down? If not, you probably won't learn to use those other abilities as well as you could.

As an example of what I'm saying, my first character was a Hunter. I was a complete novice, so I really wasn't thinking about what my character could do, and how I could use those abilities better. It was only when I rolled another hunter, while levelling up to 10, that I really learned to kite mobs effectively, because I never needed to on my first char. Lacking the comfort blanket of the pet and the traps forced me to learn a useful skill, but I'm not sure I would have had the discipline to practice it on my first hunter, against mobs I could just blow away if I chose to.

#11 Dec 04 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I do the same thing Myteddy.

edit:spelling

Edited, Dec 4th 2007 7:03pm by linkerman
#12 Dec 04 2007 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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anyone can retune their place style... if you can break old habits

example, i leveled with gouge as 1... got to around level 40 and realized i never used it, rupture took its slot

then realized that i needed to start using it again... but instead of swaping out rup, i put gouge as 7

took some time to adjust rupture as 1, and took time as gouge 7.... but thats all it takes... a lil time and patience

i just recently, like not even a week ago, put ghostly strike as f4 instead of a click button, since i took it out of my hemo macro, and i moved slice n dice from 4 to F5, big changes instead... just need to focus for a day or two and use the moves a lot... itll become second nature easy

as for technique, its the same way... i used to tab-cs for roge v rogue duels, decided i needed to sap (sac the gouge dim return so i could premed before cs)

only took about 4 fights to never tab-cs a rogue again

all focus + remembering key changes = the only way to kill off old habits
#13 Dec 05 2007 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
3 days ago I respecced to ShS for the first time ever and let me tell ya I was a sloppy mess in my first BG. I was combat FOREVER before this so yeah it took getting used to but after about 3 hours of doing bg's its like second nature. I had to put rupture as 1, Ghostly strike as 6, premed at 8...and as for my stealth bar I had to completely change everything. But basically it just takes focusing and a little time. You'll do fine.
#14 Dec 05 2007 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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bio, premed is stealth only... why is it not on your stealth bar? like you said its on '8', but unless your stealth bar has 8 bound on it already i dont see why lol

just curious is all
#15 Dec 05 2007 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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It's funny I think I am a good example of the 'old dog new tricks'

I've been 70 for a few weeks, and never did much BG and always was lame at world PvP. I keyboard turned and clicked to fight mainly because it was easy in PvE. Now I have put much of my stuff on my mouse:

Mouse 4 (Thumb) - Autorun
Mouse 5 (Pinky) - Stealth
MW Down - Cheap Shot
MW Up - Mutilate
Shift Mouse 4 - Sap
Shift Mouse 5 - Kidney Shot
Mouse 3 (wheel click) - Blind
Shift Mouse 3 - Vanish

All the rest are on 1-8, etc. Hope this helps with your new mouse!

Also - My PvP skills went up astronomically when I put everything on the mouse. I am fairly competitive in BG, although I'm still working on gear so Arena's are a joke unless we play nubs.
#16 Dec 05 2007 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Agreed, I didn't remap my keys until 2 weeks ago. Just do it, and go out and grind rep/gold/honor points until it's second nature. It doesn't take that long. I even remapped the "r" key to vanish and have learned to shift+r to reply.
#17 Dec 05 2007 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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bio, premed is stealth only... why is it not on your stealth bar? like you said its on '8', but unless your stealth bar has 8 bound on it already i dont see why lol

just curious is all


Haha my bad! I meant prep.
#18 Dec 05 2007 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
I have been mouse turning since I started WoW, and I'm thinking that Guild Wars had something to do with that (as I find you can't actually play that game of you can't turn with your mouse)
#19 Dec 05 2007 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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For key binding I change the main bar from 1-0 to 1-6 and then change 7-0 to other keys that are near so they are quicker to hit. Rebind those to Q, E, F, X, Z, and C so you can keep moving around using wasd. I also use middle mouse. The other bars I use for abilitys that arent used often or CDs that I just click.

Hopefully this information was useful =D

edit: didnt see that other people already posted their bindings so this is kind of repetitive.

Edited, Dec 5th 2007 6:27pm by bococho
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