I'm a SV hunter (going for 0/21/40). There's a BM hunter in my guild that I'm pretty competitive with, at least in terms of leveling... we're pretty much nose-to-nose, and geared similarly. I do more damage output in instances, he has higher DPS, while I trap. However, when it comes to dueling, I simply fail. I try to trap his pet, he pops BW and/or Intimidate and I'm helpless.
Our guild is looking to start dueling tournaments, I guess to help prepare for any arena teams that we might want to start when more members hit 70. So, basically, I would like to not suck so bad, lol.
I've tried a few different approaches, but so far, no luck.
Anyone have any advice on a strategy that might help me against him? Or is it just one of those match-ups that I can never really win unless the other player is just plain suck?
Thank you!
EDIT:
I also tried to FD to make the pet lose me as a target, but that didn't seem to work. I remember reading somewhere that with 2.3 this might not work anymore; is this true?
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 10:24pm by Rycerz
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It still works.
There are several things you can do, but none of them are pretty. Your best bet is to try to make him blow BW early and pray you live through it. There is no "easy" answer to this; but one thing to remember (as backwards as this may sound) is that a hunter's damage comes from what? Range.
I've found that, as useless as I am in melee, other hunters are EQUALLY useless. If you run in, usually it'll confuse them. If he traps your pet, run in, throw a raptor, and try to stay in his face to prevent him from wailing on you. He's immune to CC, but if you can get past the 18 second "I Win" button, you should be able to play him pretty well. If you're specced 0/21/40, you can scatter shot and trap when his BW is up... throw a wyvern sting in the mix, and by that time you're in good shape.
A BM hunter actually seems to be the toughest duel out of any I've faced so far... but they're do-able. It's just all about not blowing your FD too early (if you FD as soon as his pet's on you, he can send it right back. If you can sustain 6-7 seconds of BW, FD and most of it's gone by the time the pet's back on you.
I'm pretty sure that's not organized at all, and I'm not even sure there's a coherent thought in there anywhere.... but there is my stream of conscious, vomited onto the page. Hope it helps, if even a little!
There are several things you can do, but none of them are pretty. Your best bet is to try to make him blow BW early and pray you live through it. There is no "easy" answer to this; but one thing to remember (as backwards as this may sound) is that a hunter's damage comes from what? Range.
I've found that, as useless as I am in melee, other hunters are EQUALLY useless. If you run in, usually it'll confuse them. If he traps your pet, run in, throw a raptor, and try to stay in his face to prevent him from wailing on you. He's immune to CC, but if you can get past the 18 second "I Win" button, you should be able to play him pretty well. If you're specced 0/21/40, you can scatter shot and trap when his BW is up... throw a wyvern sting in the mix, and by that time you're in good shape.
A BM hunter actually seems to be the toughest duel out of any I've faced so far... but they're do-able. It's just all about not blowing your FD too early (if you FD as soon as his pet's on you, he can send it right back. If you can sustain 6-7 seconds of BW, FD and most of it's gone by the time the pet's back on you.
I'm pretty sure that's not organized at all, and I'm not even sure there's a coherent thought in there anywhere.... but there is my stream of conscious, vomited onto the page. Hope it helps, if even a little!
Lol... it's better than nothing, and therein lies the usefulness of your vomit.
I'll try the melee thing... makes sense since I am receiving most damage from his ranged while I stand there useless. That was actually something I thought about a while back, but forgot to ever try it.
EDIT:
Don't know if that came off as offensive or not, but just to clarify, I did not intend it to be so. You brought up some good ideas. :)
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 9:22am by Rycerz
I'll try the melee thing... makes sense since I am receiving most damage from his ranged while I stand there useless. That was actually something I thought about a while back, but forgot to ever try it.
EDIT:
Don't know if that came off as offensive or not, but just to clarify, I did not intend it to be so. You brought up some good ideas. :)
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 9:22am by Rycerz
They also can't pop BW while they are asleep, so if you can use Wyvern Sting before he uses it, you can set him up for a nasty opener, Wyvern Sting, Trinket for AP increase, Aimed shot, arcane, multi and he should be half dead or more depending on which shots crit and what his resilience is, then yuo should have a pretty easy melee fight with your high crit rating on raptor strike.
I've found that most fight with my hunter, who is BM, is all about how dead I am before I use BW, but timing of it is critical, too early and its wasted trying to get LoS, or in range or something similar; if it's too late, I'm not alive long enough to make good use of it (which would be your friends problem if you can get the drop on him).
One other thing to watch for though is the PvP trinket, they can use that while asleep (I don't PvP enough to have the trinket, so I don't know for sure)so if thats the case, a Wyvern Sting will just make them PvP trinket and then pop BW, so use a Conc shot or Scatter shot before you use Wyvern sting to make him blow the trinket, it might work or he might use BW to shake off those shots too....
PvP is all about luck and skill, mostly skill, but you never know when someone will do something that totally counteracts your strategy or works totally in your favor. so good luck.
I've found that most fight with my hunter, who is BM, is all about how dead I am before I use BW, but timing of it is critical, too early and its wasted trying to get LoS, or in range or something similar; if it's too late, I'm not alive long enough to make good use of it (which would be your friends problem if you can get the drop on him).
One other thing to watch for though is the PvP trinket, they can use that while asleep (I don't PvP enough to have the trinket, so I don't know for sure)so if thats the case, a Wyvern Sting will just make them PvP trinket and then pop BW, so use a Conc shot or Scatter shot before you use Wyvern sting to make him blow the trinket, it might work or he might use BW to shake off those shots too....
PvP is all about luck and skill, mostly skill, but you never know when someone will do something that totally counteracts your strategy or works totally in your favor. so good luck.
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This is definitely a tough fight from the start. I would tend to agree with the "stay close" theory. However, it seems that by doing this you are taking more of a "survival" (haha pun) tactic.
Your best bet IMO would be to stay in motion. I find in duels that mobility is the key. You simply won't be able to stand in and go shot for shot once he pops his BW. Pop your Deterrence right as he pops his BW. The dead zone problems have been fixed so therein lies the problem. FD when you're in close and wait until the pet is back on you then jump up and Scattershot the hunter. *Hopefully* his BW is down at that point, scare beast on the pet then trap the hunter and get to work. Personally I'd Scare his pet then Wyvern Sting it and start in on the hunter after his BM dps is cut down. This is by no means flawless but it's how I'd go about it. I hope this helps a little, let me know how it goes!
Your best bet IMO would be to stay in motion. I find in duels that mobility is the key. You simply won't be able to stand in and go shot for shot once he pops his BW. Pop your Deterrence right as he pops his BW. The dead zone problems have been fixed so therein lies the problem. FD when you're in close and wait until the pet is back on you then jump up and Scattershot the hunter. *Hopefully* his BW is down at that point, scare beast on the pet then trap the hunter and get to work. Personally I'd Scare his pet then Wyvern Sting it and start in on the hunter after his BM dps is cut down. This is by no means flawless but it's how I'd go about it. I hope this helps a little, let me know how it goes!
Hmm - I dunno if this works, but pets are "tauntable" meaning that they can be taunted and forced to attack that creature. In this case, try taunting his beast - he would have to send it back to you which might save you a couple of secs and joined with FD you should be able to survive BW. I'm not 100% sure that it works though, so if someone could test it I would be very happy to hear the answer.
Most Bms I fight like to pop the "I win" button early, so the best thing to counter that is deterance. This way, you only have to live thru 8 secs of crazy hits. Once you get past the BW, it's a pretty easy fight. make sure you keep dmg on them to show them they aren't invincible as they think they are. My fights usually look like this:
-get distance
-standby for BW and intimidation (you can blow ur trinket on this if you want)
-pop deterance and rapid shot, aim for the hunter (make sure your pet is attacking the hunter as well. this is where i see alot of fights go wrong)
-by now BW should be wearing off, get trap ready for pet/FD
-Trap pet, wyvern Sting hunter.
-Get your senses back and finish him off
It's gonna be a tough match, but most SV hunters have alot more hp than BMs so you should be able to outlast him.
-get distance
-standby for BW and intimidation (you can blow ur trinket on this if you want)
-pop deterance and rapid shot, aim for the hunter (make sure your pet is attacking the hunter as well. this is where i see alot of fights go wrong)
-by now BW should be wearing off, get trap ready for pet/FD
-Trap pet, wyvern Sting hunter.
-Get your senses back and finish him off
It's gonna be a tough match, but most SV hunters have alot more hp than BMs so you should be able to outlast him.
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okay heres what i do..
when he pops BW, go somewhere and hide..if there's anything around that you can hide from..LoS him and FD (never fight a BM in an open area..can easily kill you imo) if he ever gets to you while he still have BW
then use aspect of the monkey+deterrence..after BW, the rest is easy..spam evrything and kill him...lol GL.
when he pops BW, go somewhere and hide..if there's anything around that you can hide from..LoS him and FD (never fight a BM in an open area..can easily kill you imo) if he ever gets to you while he still have BW
then use aspect of the monkey+deterrence..after BW, the rest is easy..spam evrything and kill him...lol GL.
During my duels against other hunters as a BM the first thing they do it trap the pet. That usually forces the I WIN button to be popped. I don't like to do that though. I pop mend pet and wait for it to be clensed it usually works. Then as my pet is going in at them if they are getting ready for Aimed shot i will pop intimidation and then BW/tBW and unload Id even bring the fight up close if they were marksmen cause they really wouldn't be able to do anything as my Melee would be stronger than theirs while tBW is up and their Scattershot would do nothing to me.
Once all this was over I usually had already won the duel or fight against the hunter.
BM's are tricky due to that I WIN button. I have a hard time with them as a MM cause I can't scattershot their pet when BW is up. Just outlast and try your best to get the pet out of the fight. If your dueling a BM lay down your trap and wait for CD before fight starts. Try to force them to use their I WIN button that way when you FD and BW fades off their pet you can trap their pet and they are without a big chunk of thier damage.
Just my 2 copper.
Once all this was over I usually had already won the duel or fight against the hunter.
BM's are tricky due to that I WIN button. I have a hard time with them as a MM cause I can't scattershot their pet when BW is up. Just outlast and try your best to get the pet out of the fight. If your dueling a BM lay down your trap and wait for CD before fight starts. Try to force them to use their I WIN button that way when you FD and BW fades off their pet you can trap their pet and they are without a big chunk of thier damage.
Just my 2 copper.
This may end up getting really funky in where my thoughts go, but here it is.
- Lay freeze trap
- Duel starts
- BM Pet gets trapped (This makes it so you have a few mre precious seconds of not having a big red fluffy DoT on you)
- Run for Hunter, send pet at hunter
- while running put on monkey (Somewhere around here the BM will pop BW
- Feign death once in melee range (This takes off the pet and hunter, this also gives you a bit of a buffer for the BM's pet who will have to retarget you and get his pet in.)
- Start hitting him with all melee you can
- Once the BM retargets you pop deterrence
- Keep meleeing him and wait out the storm, probably good idea to drop an explosive trap.
-Once BW is up wing clip and strafe away, hit the BM with wyvren sting, scatter shot pet and cast scare beast.
- Optimize your time while the BM is down, try and bandage while still leaving enough time to set up a juicy aim shot
- Now to use your "I Win" button, unload your trinkets and rapid fire + anything else thats cd is back, throw a freeze down for his pet, and dps him for all you got. (With your pet + rapid fire, you have cripled the BM's biggest tool; Steady Shot)... Kite if he trys to get in on you.
- Lay freeze trap
- Duel starts
- BM Pet gets trapped (This makes it so you have a few mre precious seconds of not having a big red fluffy DoT on you)
- Run for Hunter, send pet at hunter
- while running put on monkey (Somewhere around here the BM will pop BW
- Feign death once in melee range (This takes off the pet and hunter, this also gives you a bit of a buffer for the BM's pet who will have to retarget you and get his pet in.)
- Start hitting him with all melee you can
- Once the BM retargets you pop deterrence
- Keep meleeing him and wait out the storm, probably good idea to drop an explosive trap.
-Once BW is up wing clip and strafe away, hit the BM with wyvren sting, scatter shot pet and cast scare beast.
- Optimize your time while the BM is down, try and bandage while still leaving enough time to set up a juicy aim shot
- Now to use your "I Win" button, unload your trinkets and rapid fire + anything else thats cd is back, throw a freeze down for his pet, and dps him for all you got. (With your pet + rapid fire, you have cripled the BM's biggest tool; Steady Shot)... Kite if he trys to get in on you.
i'd have to think that in a duel, you will more often lose than win against a bm. Your chances are best, though, if you get in his face and pop deterence. Get ready to pop your insignia to break a freezing trap and just outlast tBW. After that, trap the pet and wyvern the hunter while you bandage and throw a steady-multi-arcane-auto. (aimed starts your rotation at zero, but either set-up works. i think steady vs aimed tend to offer the same opening dps) IF you grabbed readiness (which you didnt, but i love it), you can easily chain trap his pet for the rest of the fight and throw in another feign just to **** him off some more.
Note: I HATE it when people get in my face and are able to stay there as my tBW is up. wastes sooo much good dps. Remember that he might have a sleep-breaking insignia too, so hopefully he forgets it when you wyvern sting him :(
Note: I HATE it when people get in my face and are able to stay there as my tBW is up. wastes sooo much good dps. Remember that he might have a sleep-breaking insignia too, so hopefully he forgets it when you wyvern sting him :(
All the players(inclunding hunters) have the pvp trinket...so wyvern is lost.I am BM but i found all the above theories just silly..do this and then do that..i believe that none of the above has pvp serious enough to give helpfull advices..
Who said that BM is worst than SV in melee?forget pets i think..our pet do more melee dam than SV..SV pet do nothing..melee is not an option..
I dont want to tell the secret but i would..
ALL BM are 41/20 that means the obvious ...THEY DONT HAVE HAWK EYE....so what melee are you talking about? just try to stay in that 6 yards dead jone that you can shoot hard and bm cant do nothing...simply
Who said that BM is worst than SV in melee?forget pets i think..our pet do more melee dam than SV..SV pet do nothing..melee is not an option..
I dont want to tell the secret but i would..
ALL BM are 41/20 that means the obvious ...THEY DONT HAVE HAWK EYE....so what melee are you talking about? just try to stay in that 6 yards dead jone that you can shoot hard and bm cant do nothing...simply
Doh!!
I've tried some of the other suggestions without much success... I'm not a PvP-er and don't have enough of that "twitch" factor to do too many things at once. But Hawkeye may very well be the key... I have 6 yards over him that I can use to my advantage.
Wish I would've thought of that... thank you!
I've tried some of the other suggestions without much success... I'm not a PvP-er and don't have enough of that "twitch" factor to do too many things at once. But Hawkeye may very well be the key... I have 6 yards over him that I can use to my advantage.
Wish I would've thought of that... thank you!
I usually intimidate when I hit TBW. If you try to melee me I'll just run through you, hit you with a raptor and a wingclip, my snake trap will have gone off and I'll just strafe away and dps. I'd say your best bet is to do the hawkeye thing. It's a good idea, I wouldn't have thought of that either.
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ALL BM are 41/20 that means the obvious ...THEY DONT HAVE HAWK EYE....so what melee are you talking about? just try to stay in that 6 yards dead jone that you can shoot hard and bm cant do nothing...simply
EFFING BRILLIANT!!!! Seriously, I have never thought of that.
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ALL BM are 41/20 that means the obvious ...THEY DONT HAVE HAWK EYE....so what melee are you talking about? just try to stay in that 6 yards dead jone that you can shoot hard and bm cant do nothing...simply
Well... they still have 40% of their DPS in the shape of a red fluffy cat pounding you, but it is a solid tactic.
I can't bring alot of new stuff here. Most has already been said, and they're great tips all of them. Bottom line is BM is superior 1v1. It's extremely hard to beat, and even more so if your opponent is skilled. Just don't beat yourself up too bad about it.
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