Our guild is planning our first heroic in the near future and I'm wondering if we could get a gear critique of one our members. He'll be our tank/off-healer (we usually run with a warrior, so tanking duties go back and forth depending on the situation).
Thanks
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I'm just gonna say "No, he isn't ready".
I'll leave the flames to the more experienced Prot Pallies over here, but even I can tell he's far from being ready. Unless he logged in the wrong gear...
EDIT: Okay, wait, I'm gonna elaborate a bit more.
It looks like he's trying to do both Tank and Healer with a single set of gear. An outdated one, too. He's got sub-par healer stats and inadequate tank stats.
Tell him to stop slacking, update his gear, and actually get two different sets, one for healing and one for tanking.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 3:06pm by Selverein
I'll leave the flames to the more experienced Prot Pallies over here, but even I can tell he's far from being ready. Unless he logged in the wrong gear...
EDIT: Okay, wait, I'm gonna elaborate a bit more.
It looks like he's trying to do both Tank and Healer with a single set of gear. An outdated one, too. He's got sub-par healer stats and inadequate tank stats.
Tell him to stop slacking, update his gear, and actually get two different sets, one for healing and one for tanking.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 3:06pm by Selverein
He isn't ready with his build, and unless he logged out in his PvP gear, he is miles away from being ready with his kit. 388 defense simply doesn't cut it by several miles.
You don't really want an off healer or an off tanker in a heroic. It worked before, it ain't going to work there. What you need is 1 healer, 1 tank, 3 dps. The healer and the tank make the fights go as long as they can while the dps kill the mobs as fast as they can, thus ensuring that they live and continue on. With 1 Healer, 1 Tank, 2 DPS and 1 Healer/Tank, you end up making the fights longer which leaves more room for something to go wrong, and in some fights where you need to kill things quick, they will go wrong.
As far as your buddy's gear, have him either be a full healer or a full tank, but not both, cause looking at his gear and talents he is going to be crappy at both in a heroic instance. If he's going to be a full healer, check out Dil's post at the top of the forum for some good gear suggestions. If he's going to be a tank, then he definately needs more stamina, does not need that much int, doesn't have nearly enough defense, and doesn't have any avoidance. Look at Thels' sticky to find good gear.
As far as talents, his build is atrocious. Look at the cookie-cutter builds in the FAQ and find one for him to use depending on which role he chooses.
Now I don't know who you are, but one of two things will happen when you read all this.
a) You will heed my advice and do what I said and everything will be happy.
b) You will not heed my advice, think to yourself that I don't know how good this guy is when he parties and you will get along fine.
If you do b, then one of two things will happen.
a) You will fail horribly and then look back here, heed my advice then, and probably not say anything about it.
b) You will complete the instance, and you will come back here to brag about it. If you do, then let me just say this: EVERYTHING can be done with inferior tactics, yet it's the superior ones that do it quickly and effeciently. You may be able to do heroics with an off healer or an off tank, but it will go much more smoothly and much more quickly with a 1 healer, 1 tank, 3 dps class.
As far as your buddy's gear, have him either be a full healer or a full tank, but not both, cause looking at his gear and talents he is going to be crappy at both in a heroic instance. If he's going to be a full healer, check out Dil's post at the top of the forum for some good gear suggestions. If he's going to be a tank, then he definately needs more stamina, does not need that much int, doesn't have nearly enough defense, and doesn't have any avoidance. Look at Thels' sticky to find good gear.
As far as talents, his build is atrocious. Look at the cookie-cutter builds in the FAQ and find one for him to use depending on which role he chooses.
Now I don't know who you are, but one of two things will happen when you read all this.
a) You will heed my advice and do what I said and everything will be happy.
b) You will not heed my advice, think to yourself that I don't know how good this guy is when he parties and you will get along fine.
If you do b, then one of two things will happen.
a) You will fail horribly and then look back here, heed my advice then, and probably not say anything about it.
b) You will complete the instance, and you will come back here to brag about it. If you do, then let me just say this: EVERYTHING can be done with inferior tactics, yet it's the superior ones that do it quickly and effeciently. You may be able to do heroics with an off healer or an off tank, but it will go much more smoothly and much more quickly with a 1 healer, 1 tank, 3 dps class.
35%... thats pretty sucky. I am usually well above even 60% overall
damage taken. I've had some good runs where i really came close to perfection.
Use your cc and have that pally pick the rest of that trash up! I can usually take more than 1 and with a compitent healer, who knows?
*i just viewed his armory. Yah he's a little mixed up there.. healing gear and 388 def? lol? Resiliance gear? Greens? Fail?
lol.. like his spelldamage is higher than me, but I can take a beating.
inforce / gul'dan
tell him to head in the general direction of my gear
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 4:44pm by inforce
damage taken. I've had some good runs where i really came close to perfection.
Use your cc and have that pally pick the rest of that trash up! I can usually take more than 1 and with a compitent healer, who knows?
*i just viewed his armory. Yah he's a little mixed up there.. healing gear and 388 def? lol? Resiliance gear? Greens? Fail?
lol.. like his spelldamage is higher than me, but I can take a beating.
inforce / gul'dan
tell him to head in the general direction of my gear
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 4:44pm by inforce
His spec is pretty bad, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wonder if he's got his PvP gear on, sorta looks like what my "Dinking around in BGs" set looks like.
Yah agreed. I hope thats the case, otherwise I would want to hit my head on my desk.
Now I don't necessarily want to ask just why this guy would even think of tanking heroics...hell I wouldn't let him tank any lvl 70 non-heroics in that gear and I'll be the first to admit that I have a very limited knowledge of gear for tanking pallies, especially since I'm still currently working on my set.
I have one question though for the more experience pally tanks, when gearing for armor you basically want at least dungeon blues, if not some epics all with enchants of +stamina, or at least +defense right? and the same goes with gems...just want to make sure I'm heading in the right direction gear wise
I have one question though for the more experience pally tanks, when gearing for armor you basically want at least dungeon blues, if not some epics all with enchants of +stamina, or at least +defense right? and the same goes with gems...just want to make sure I'm heading in the right direction gear wise
maskofdeath wrote:
I have one question though for the more experience pally tanks, when gearing for armor you basically want at least dungeon blues, if not some epics all with enchants of +stamina, or at least +defense right? and the same goes with gems...just want to make sure I'm heading in the right direction gear wise
Define Dungeon Blues. I've seen a lot of guys with Ramps/UB/etc blues. They're dungeon blues so they're ok, right? (no, not so much)
You don't need epix to do heroics, they HELP but you don't need them. To say you want +Stam/+def is being overly simplistic as well.
What are you planning on doing? At the risk of carrying over the Pendant of Pedantic Fury here, if you're doing Kara/Raids you want to be uncrushable for those bosses/mobs (did I get that right you staff-***** putz?).
If you're doing heroics you'll want to be at least uncritable for those guys and in addition somewhere around 10-11k health, 170 (at least) spell dmg to deal with the aggro-happy DPS you'll be running with, and some healthy avoidance.
But it's a dance between the +def, +Stam, the avoidance and the spell dmg. And note that if you're at that level (and even beyond) you'll still go down like a wet tissue sometimes. The mobs hit HARD there. There is little "LOLZ PALLY TANK!" in heroics. And even with CC you'll get some bad strings of hits sometimes. Gear your avoidance as well as you can (and use Holy Shield as often as it's up - you'll be getting so much healing mana won't be a problem at first in there), get your stam as high as you can but note that IMO avoidance is better than stam once you have your health at 11k or so unbuffed.
And by avoidance I don't mean necessarily +def. I mean Dodge/shield block.
Celcio wrote:
(did I get that right you staff-***** putz?).
Must. Resist. The Urge.
XD
Yup, you did.
Well, I don't know how you party, Jack, but I do tend to take the advice of the FAQ author seriously. Thanks for the input.
The toon in question recently switched from Holy to Prot and he is still swapping out his gear. I'll pass along what's been said here.
I posted similar queries in the other class forums of our party and the consensus is that we still need more time to gear up and tweak our specs. Somewhat disappointing, but not unexpected. That's why I decided to ask. At least we're saving on some huge repair bills.
The toon in question recently switched from Holy to Prot and he is still swapping out his gear. I'll pass along what's been said here.
I posted similar queries in the other class forums of our party and the consensus is that we still need more time to gear up and tweak our specs. Somewhat disappointing, but not unexpected. That's why I decided to ask. At least we're saving on some huge repair bills.
well, you should get to revered irregardless of the current requirements to get heroic keys. That will realy help to get you geared up
actodd wrote:
At least we're saving on some huge repair bills.
Oh fear not, you'll likely still get to have those!
Celcio wrote:
Oh fear not, you'll likely still get to have those! 
QFT ;)
That was ONE thing that I liked when I was holy for a week. My repair bills were nowhere near as high as when I'm tanking. I mean it's pretty obvious why and I knew I wouldnt have to pay as much as usual, but it was a good 25% of my usual repair bill.
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