I know it, you know it, I hate twinks. But this is different. I'm asking this for a friend of mine who'd like to play his rogue at lvl 39 since he doesn't have the time/courage to push him to lvl 70. He's asking me for a build advice which I can't really give since I know scratch about lvl 39 builds.
Since I'm currently playing a Hemo build on my lvl 70, I'd have a tendency to recommend a corresponding lvl 39 Hemo build like this. But I have now idea how it would work at lvl 39...
Maybe the build should include Amush as well? I've heard it's working well at low levels... Something like a backstab/ambush build?
Or even a plain combat maces build?
Any recommendation would be most welcome. Just please keep in mind that he's not a twink, so he doesn't have ubber stuff. He's just a guy who doesn't want to level up the rogue to lvl 70.
Oh wait... now that I'm asking... I somehow remember hearing about how BGs would now give experience (forcing the twinks to move to the next bracket when the level up). Is this true? Does it apply to lvl WSG/Arathi already?
Thanks for your thoughts,
nostra
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imo, CB is a killer on a 3/3 imp evis on a 39 clothie lol
and warriors are joke at 39 since they kinda dont have ms yet hehe, or plate
imo, CB is a killer on a 3/3 imp evis on a 39 clothie lol
and warriors are joke at 39 since they kinda dont have ms yet hehe, or plate
Hey Mongoose, thanks for your reply.
a CB 3/3 Imp Evis must sure be a killer on a clothie... but aside from that, the build doesn't have anything specific aside from a descent CPs generation and energy management through relentless strikes and ruthlessness... and your main attack would be BS which is quite terrible in terms of energy management.
Is it not better to have the dagger build I suggested, which at least has Imp Ambush? Or is Ambush already obsolete at this level? (I guess not since normal players won't have tons of life at this stage and there is no resilience yet)
And what's your take on a combat/maces or hemo build at lvl 39?
Thanks,
nostra
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 3:46pm by nostraaa
a CB 3/3 Imp Evis must sure be a killer on a clothie... but aside from that, the build doesn't have anything specific aside from a descent CPs generation and energy management through relentless strikes and ruthlessness... and your main attack would be BS which is quite terrible in terms of energy management.
Is it not better to have the dagger build I suggested, which at least has Imp Ambush? Or is Ambush already obsolete at this level? (I guess not since normal players won't have tons of life at this stage and there is no resilience yet)
And what's your take on a combat/maces or hemo build at lvl 39?
Thanks,
nostra
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 3:46pm by nostraaa
combat without ar just doesnt do it for me honestly... while riposte is a killer move at that level, frost mages would be the bane of your existance, having ice block and cold snap already
your hemo build doesnt have prep or imp gouge... those levels you can still stunlock, but prior to 57, daggers are very nice for bgs... so im gonna still keep with daggers being the better choice
while you are right the energy management is pretty bad, CB-ambush-bs is a lethal opener... gouge-bs-ss-ks-bs is a good followup and should kill a LOT of players at that level, and the white damage and/or potentially ****** sin strikes can finish the job
as for ambush builds... for serious 39 pvp i just think going full on bs, with cb ambushs would be better then upping your 1 more as the cost of free move speed and cb... arguable the BEST cooldown we have before level 50 pvp-wise
39 isnt a very twinked bg, and the classes that twink it well are leather or weaker... and we all know where daggers excel as far as opponents armor class goes
your hemo build doesnt have prep or imp gouge... those levels you can still stunlock, but prior to 57, daggers are very nice for bgs... so im gonna still keep with daggers being the better choice
while you are right the energy management is pretty bad, CB-ambush-bs is a lethal opener... gouge-bs-ss-ks-bs is a good followup and should kill a LOT of players at that level, and the white damage and/or potentially ****** sin strikes can finish the job
as for ambush builds... for serious 39 pvp i just think going full on bs, with cb ambushs would be better then upping your 1 more as the cost of free move speed and cb... arguable the BEST cooldown we have before level 50 pvp-wise
39 isnt a very twinked bg, and the classes that twink it well are leather or weaker... and we all know where daggers excel as far as opponents armor class goes
You convinced me, thanks for the detailed explanations.
I'll get him to find some nice daggers to try this out.Enjoy the daggers, big yellow numbers and stun-lock while they work...
Thanks,
nostra
I'll get him to find some nice daggers to try this out.Enjoy the daggers, big yellow numbers and stun-lock while they work...
Thanks,
nostra
np, let us know how it works for you, i kinda... you know dont play daggers ever haha
stopped at level 13 or so, but i had to level all the dagger goodies as rogue class lead way back, so it would be nice to see i still have a beat on things
side note, im sure your gonna but 39 bg = bc enchants = get +7 dmg to weapon mh, 20 agi oh imo, if you were wonderin bout that yourself
stopped at level 13 or so, but i had to level all the dagger goodies as rogue class lead way back, so it would be nice to see i still have a beat on things
side note, im sure your gonna but 39 bg = bc enchants = get +7 dmg to weapon mh, 20 agi oh imo, if you were wonderin bout that yourself
I am also curious about the BG XP question. I WAS gaining XP for killing npc's in AV this weekend (only 10-20 per npc kill), but I also had all 5 AV quests and the daily... so that might have been the reason. I didn't run AV again after completing all the quests (the 51-60 AV).
If they really DO implement XP for BGs, yes many people would be furious at the amount of effort they wasted twinking, but also I wouldn't view time spent earning a shiny BG gear for leveling as a total waste of time. I much prefer BG's to running instances.
If they really DO implement XP for BGs, yes many people would be furious at the amount of effort they wasted twinking, but also I wouldn't view time spent earning a shiny BG gear for leveling as a total waste of time. I much prefer BG's to running instances.
Just pointing out to save my honor: this is not me turning twink fan... it's a friend who's got a lvl 36 rogue which he doesn't want to take to lvl 70 and who decided to give a shot at the 39 bracket BGs.
I'll tell him about the enchant suggestions though, thanks Mongoose.
But before he wastes too much energy into this project, I'll tell him to try just one BG to see if he gets XP for the kills. If so... then no point wasting energy in a twink. That would actually totally kill the twink concept, I'd love that :)
nostra
I'll tell him about the enchant suggestions though, thanks Mongoose.
But before he wastes too much energy into this project, I'll tell him to try just one BG to see if he gets XP for the kills. If so... then no point wasting energy in a twink. That would actually totally kill the twink concept, I'd love that :)
nostra
If it were me staying at 39 I'd take your original build and do some minor twinking to it. Its the build I used in BG at 39 with great success (not that I stayed 39 for long, so take it with a grain of salt). But assuming he will be PVPing and not just PVE, I'd go with:
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Personally I never found Sleight of Hand to have any use at all - not at the cost of slowing you down when in stealth. But, that's just my opinion. I'm certain most everyone will disagree and clamor for a Combat build, but eh.
5/0/25
Personally I never found Sleight of Hand to have any use at all - not at the cost of slowing you down when in stealth. But, that's just my opinion. I'm certain most everyone will disagree and clamor for a Combat build, but eh.
Thanks for the reply, but...
Have your forgotten sth in this build? You don't take Imp SS so I expected to see Hemo... but you haven't taken it.
Or am I missing sth?
nostra
Have your forgotten sth in this build? You don't take Imp SS so I expected to see Hemo... but you haven't taken it.
Or am I missing sth?
nostra
Nah I just screwed up :P
Drop a point out of HS and take Hemo.
Drop a point out of HS and take Hemo.
Ok, so we've got one recommendation to go daggers for nice Ambush/Backstabs... and one recommendation that a Hemo build is viable as well.
My friend told me that he's got this sword. Ok it's a tank sword (1.70 speed is bad for rogue since it's MH only), but still it's an epic sword that does 37-70 dam with an armor reduction proc... not too shabby for a lvl 37 sword. The only comparable dagger around this level would be the pvp reward dagger.
So... I tend to think that he will not get daggers better than his current sword for some time and should better spec Hemo to use this epic sword for now. He can still respec daggers when he's got the honor points to purchase the two pvp reward daggers.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Nostra
My friend told me that he's got this sword. Ok it's a tank sword (1.70 speed is bad for rogue since it's MH only), but still it's an epic sword that does 37-70 dam with an armor reduction proc... not too shabby for a lvl 37 sword. The only comparable dagger around this level would be the pvp reward dagger.
So... I tend to think that he will not get daggers better than his current sword for some time and should better spec Hemo to use this epic sword for now. He can still respec daggers when he's got the honor points to purchase the two pvp reward daggers.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Nostra
Ambush/Backstab criiits
If he gears himself out a good bit, ambush -> backstab -> evis will kill almost anything up to leather (excluding other twinks ofc). Warriors are a joke on 39 anyways.
No resilence makes both Ambush and Backstab pure killers, trust me on that. Not sure which daggers to get, but that shouldn't be too hard as there is always the pvp dagger.
If he gears himself out a good bit, ambush -> backstab -> evis will kill almost anything up to leather (excluding other twinks ofc). Warriors are a joke on 39 anyways.
No resilence makes both Ambush and Backstab pure killers, trust me on that. Not sure which daggers to get, but that shouldn't be too hard as there is always the pvp dagger.
Thanks for all replies, guys.
I guess I'll tell him to use his current purple sword (and a Hemo build) to get to 39 and get the honor he needs for both pvp daggers, at which point he should respec.
nostra
I guess I'll tell him to use his current purple sword (and a Hemo build) to get to 39 and get the honor he needs for both pvp daggers, at which point he should respec.
nostra
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