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I'm lvl 32 draenei hunt and i want to know whats better for lvling and questing. BM or MM?
BM. I don't even know the point of MM, really.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
Ehcks wrote:
I don't even know the point of MM, really.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
I don't know. Howitzer does pretty well for himself.
http://www.stage6.com/user/HowitzerFubar/video/1752492/Marksman-VS-Illidan
Also, lots of info on spec, leveling, and all kinds of nifty stuff is in the sticky titled "EVERY QUESTION ANSWERED HERE".
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 9:46pm by Ieatrocks
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IMO. I pick BM for quest/grind and stuff. In fact, until now im still BM. Tried MM I was bored looking at my auto shot cast bar "so so so slow". But thats just me. I think you would level much faster, quest much faster, grind dailies much easier as a BM.
Ieatrocks wrote:
Ehcks wrote:
I don't even know the point of MM, really.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
I don't know. Howitzer does pretty well for himself.
http://www.stage6.com/user/HowitzerFubar/video/1752492/Marksman-VS-Illidan
Also, lots of info on spec, leveling, and all kinds of nifty stuff is in the sticky titled "EVERY QUESTION ANSWERED HERE".
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 9:46pm by Ieatrocks
he has 4/5 improved arcane shot and combat experience? I hope that he knows something that is completely beyond me.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
Ieatrocks wrote:
Ehcks wrote:
I don't even know the point of MM, really.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
As far as I can see, it's between BM for normal people, and SV for extremely skilled people.
I don't know. Howitzer does pretty well for himself.
http://www.stage6.com/user/HowitzerFubar/video/1752492/Marksman-VS-Illidan
Also, lots of info on spec, leveling, and all kinds of nifty stuff is in the sticky titled "EVERY QUESTION ANSWERED HERE".
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 9:46pm by Ieatrocks
he has 4/5 improved arcane shot and combat experience? I hope that he knows something that is completely beyond me.
Don't take this the wrong way, but you can be an amazing player and not know a damn thing about making your talent specs. Theorycrafting and plays kill don't go hand in hand; in fact, they're often enough mutually exclusive.
The arcane shot is probably for pvp utility. That's actually a decent talent with arcane shot being so powerful in pvp these days.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 2:05am by Xsarus
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 2:05am by Xsarus
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I always pimp BM, but MM has two advantages:
In PvP, Silencing Shot is very nice;
In PvE, Silencing Shot allows the Hunter to pull caster mobs.
Both are advantages which no other spec of Hunter can boast, although both BM and SV have other advantages plus a DPS advantage which in my opinion makes the choice of spec (or better phrased, the choice of which spec to avoid) obvious.
In PvP, Silencing Shot is very nice;
In PvE, Silencing Shot allows the Hunter to pull caster mobs.
Both are advantages which no other spec of Hunter can boast, although both BM and SV have other advantages plus a DPS advantage which in my opinion makes the choice of spec (or better phrased, the choice of which spec to avoid) obvious.
As has been said many times before and will be said many time to come, grinding/questing/leveling is usually best done as BM. All specs have PvP pros and cons and it comes down to your preferance and play style as to which will suit you at level 70. I still very much enjoy being BM and the crapton of dps I can pump out in raids.
Well, us lowly MM hunters do have some utility, as Kompera points out.
I was in UB and my group was discussing how to deal with the casters, coming up with all kinds of plans. I spouted "Why don't I just pull and trap them, I'll keep them on ice and you guys deal with the rest." They started laughing. One even said "You can't pull casters dummy, they just stand and blast." I retorted "Watch me."
After that encounter the guy said, "How'd you do that? Every hunter I've watched said they couldn't pull casters." I responded with "Yeah, I'm an idiot, I actually have been Marksman spec for 68 levels and over 2 years. We aren't the in crowd any more, in fact, finding one usually screams Huntard. That could apply to me."
I actually enjoy the delayed autocast bar, lets me have time to toss other shots in without losing the autoshot. I'm not a twitch and skip player. I'm far better at stand and blast. For the first 50 levels I was a glass cannon.
I think what you'll find is that every spec has it's advantages and it's limitations. Oddly, the same is true for every player. When a player finds a spec they are matched with that generates the best dps FOR THEM, the best utility, the best feel, then you have found the right match. I'm pretty darned sure my dps would drop going to BM. I'll try it someday, but I'm not sure I can work the keyboard that fast. Theorycraft dies when it hits player reality.
I was in UB and my group was discussing how to deal with the casters, coming up with all kinds of plans. I spouted "Why don't I just pull and trap them, I'll keep them on ice and you guys deal with the rest." They started laughing. One even said "You can't pull casters dummy, they just stand and blast." I retorted "Watch me."
After that encounter the guy said, "How'd you do that? Every hunter I've watched said they couldn't pull casters." I responded with "Yeah, I'm an idiot, I actually have been Marksman spec for 68 levels and over 2 years. We aren't the in crowd any more, in fact, finding one usually screams Huntard. That could apply to me."
I actually enjoy the delayed autocast bar, lets me have time to toss other shots in without losing the autoshot. I'm not a twitch and skip player. I'm far better at stand and blast. For the first 50 levels I was a glass cannon.
I think what you'll find is that every spec has it's advantages and it's limitations. Oddly, the same is true for every player. When a player finds a spec they are matched with that generates the best dps FOR THEM, the best utility, the best feel, then you have found the right match. I'm pretty darned sure my dps would drop going to BM. I'll try it someday, but I'm not sure I can work the keyboard that fast. Theorycraft dies when it hits player reality.
Once you get to higher levels, a 41/20 spec pretty much outdamages an equally-geared, equally-skilled player of any other spec, *and* are the easiest to play (at least in non-CC situations - auto/SS/KC macro spam). However, a Survival hunter (the spec I'm leaning towards with my hunter is 0/25/36 raid support) will offer a large increase to other physical dps'ers via Expose Weakness while having (comparatively) low DPS himself. MM are the ones I have the most trouble with in arena - silencing shot, scatter shot, really long weapon range.
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a Survival hunter (the spec I'm leaning towards with my hunter is 0/25/36 raid support) will offer a large increase to other physical dps'ers via Expose Weakness while having (comparatively) low DPS himself
That is way off. Survival has the potential to be the highest dps spec, it takes great gear, and great attention to detail however.
I think i agree with what sloshot said. Play all 3 specs, and one of them will sing to you, learn that spec inside and out and you'll be fine. Great dps can be achieved through all 3 specs.
For the op definitely bm is the way to level
I really don't spam any particular button or macro. I keep threatening to but I get in that braindead mode and when something does happen that I need to be aware of, I get caught with steady up or with my attention out in la-la land.
Everyone says BM is very easy, and it looks it from what I've seen. However, to be that great BM end-game player a lot of emphasis seems to be on speed (haste) and you'd have to use macros to make those speeds work, or have some kind of caffiene IV hooked up. ^_^
I dunno, it's kinda fun not being inside the in crowd anymore. I mean in that example I gave, it was all because the guy had never run with an MM hunter. 70 levels and he'd never seen a silence shot pull... found that shocking and kinda fun.
Of course he was probably laughing at me having been playing for over 2 years and my highest level character is 68.
Personally, for levelling, I'd think BM or MM would work, but max speed and ease would probably be BM. Everyone keeps saying SV is slow levelling. Is it really that bad?
Everyone says BM is very easy, and it looks it from what I've seen. However, to be that great BM end-game player a lot of emphasis seems to be on speed (haste) and you'd have to use macros to make those speeds work, or have some kind of caffiene IV hooked up. ^_^
I dunno, it's kinda fun not being inside the in crowd anymore. I mean in that example I gave, it was all because the guy had never run with an MM hunter. 70 levels and he'd never seen a silence shot pull... found that shocking and kinda fun.
Of course he was probably laughing at me having been playing for over 2 years and my highest level character is 68.
Personally, for levelling, I'd think BM or MM would work, but max speed and ease would probably be BM. Everyone keeps saying SV is slow levelling. Is it really that bad?
For my playstyle, I have opted for a hybrid of BM and MM. I find that this setup works best for me. Decent dps in groups and easy enough to quest/farm materials etc.
Get a decent pet that can hold aggro, learn to space out shot rotation so you don't overpower the pet threat and it works rather well.
Get a decent pet that can hold aggro, learn to space out shot rotation so you don't overpower the pet threat and it works rather well.
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That is way off. Survival has the potential to be the highest dps spec, it takes great gear, and great attention to detail however.
Wrong. 41/20/0 is the highest DPS spec, 5/20/36 is needed for one hunter per raid (no more, no less) to add a ton to the rest of the raid while still doing comparable damage.
For the OP, in solo PvE you can go marks or BM, although BM will survive much better and marks will kill slightly faster in the 10-30 range if your pet can hold aggro.
In 5-mans, BM is great to provide an off-tank if needed, or for it's incredible damage output once you hit end-game. MM can pull casters, but if your group cooperates you wont really need to (i.e. a mage can sheep it, or if it's caster-melee-melee just trap a melee and have the tank tank the caster). SV has the best trapping out of all of them, but on a BM/MM build I had no problems trapping...
In raids, you need 1 SV hunter and the rest should be BM, unless you're Caldone ;)
In BG's, all three specs have advantages. Survival has wyvern sting, BM you can go un-CC'able, and in marks you have silencing shot.
In world PvP, again all are viable, although if you do PvP/PvE you may want to focus on a BM build.
In arenas, I have no idea. Probably all three are again viable.
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