I'am playing WoW from 7 months(before that I was playing Lineage 2-my main was a dager)-2 months ago I reach 70 and 3 weeks ago I start doing BG most of my play time.
My equipment is not great but is not very bad aswell,my skills are poor but I am not moron and I now how use them sometimes even effectivly.
All my frends when I complain about how fast I can died on BG or even 1vs1(still on BG)say that Iam ovepowered(maybe cuz I won with all of them dueling)and can kill easily anyone not including warriors.
But in WoW like in Lineage was time when Dagers were really OP(and ppl hate them) and with every expansion pack or game improvment were gimped or other class go ahead leaving rogue in black hole.
I like melee,I like kill fast and I like rogue but I start thinking that all other classes are OP-Wariors,Ice mage,Hunters,Druids-they can hit @#$##$#@ hard,live long(druids,warriors)and my dps compared to them is not superior(or even good).
Ok I have stealth-which is #@%$% easily to break,I have stunlock-so I can drop sometimes 50% HP of enemy and after that is still very hard,I have OP DPS-well who havent?,so what I really have is breaking nerves - not mention about next patch nerf-WoW now brings me more bad fellings then good fun.
I try to hard to be good kiler and all what I see is killers better then me but they arent rogues.
Ps.Sry for my english
What You think-where You can put Rogue in PvP laddder?
Maybe You can show me some light of hope.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 4:42pm by Luckybone
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Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
My head hurts after attempting to read that >.>
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Remember in BGs that killing isn't what wins a game: it's effectively being in the right place at the right time. Rogues aren't good at large scale confrontations and you'll hardly ever be #1 in a BG. But you can easily see the affects your actions have on the game as a rogue: the ninja'd GY, ninja'd tower, etc.
As for Arena, ar/prep rogues perform well in all brackets, 3v3 being the best.
Don't start comparing yourself to warriors because that's a road you'll never get away from. I wish I hadn't ever started... They are apparently only overpowered from our perspective even though I refuse to believe that.
As for Arena, ar/prep rogues perform well in all brackets, 3v3 being the best.
Don't start comparing yourself to warriors because that's a road you'll never get away from. I wish I hadn't ever started... They are apparently only overpowered from our perspective even though I refuse to believe that.
Shaolinz wrote:
They are apparently only overpowered from our perspective even though I refuse to believe that.
Nah, everyone whines about Warriors, and rightfully so. They're the most overpowered class at the moment. Get a Skillherald to spam Hamstring with and you can stunlock better than a Rogue, all the while hitting harder, with more health and armor. They are the worst part of what we were before BC, but with monstrous DPS.
tops in the proper pvp spec (ar/prep maces) are top 3 for 1v1 pvp imo
pain suppression priest and sl/sl lock are the only things stronger in the overall scheme of things imo
but as far as rogues go, they got some very hard counters
warriors, frost mage, bm hunter, sl/sl lock, pain suppression priest played WELL, well geared feral druids, resto shamans
all good counters to the main specs of rogues
just watch for them and youll do a lot better
pain suppression priest and sl/sl lock are the only things stronger in the overall scheme of things imo
but as far as rogues go, they got some very hard counters
warriors, frost mage, bm hunter, sl/sl lock, pain suppression priest played WELL, well geared feral druids, resto shamans
all good counters to the main specs of rogues
just watch for them and youll do a lot better
this is too long to read
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Thx for answers and critic:)
""warriors, frost mage, bm hunter, sl/sl lock, pain suppression priest played WELL, well geared feral druids, resto shamans
all good counters to the main specs of rogues""
That means all this classes have some advantage(if player have the same gear and skill) when fighting with us?(warriors for sure)
""warriors, frost mage, bm hunter, sl/sl lock, pain suppression priest played WELL, well geared feral druids, resto shamans
all good counters to the main specs of rogues""
That means all this classes have some advantage(if player have the same gear and skill) when fighting with us?(warriors for sure)
The pain suppression priest has to be properly geared.
A priest with no resilience isn't going to do jack against a rogue.
A priest with no resilience isn't going to do jack against a rogue.
yes they all got some kind of edge against us
(assuming pvp gear at 70, resilience at at least decent levels)
warriors: obvious
frost mage: obvious again, kite city here
bm hunter: they go red, immune to stun... scatter into pet into flare and you cant even vanish to run, try to hide to even have a chance (or sprint/AR and maybe just rush em down... but S3 hunter 'stat stick' hits like a truck, be aware)
sl/sl lock: drain life over time, skill coil into fear into curse of EX, good gear they got 13k hp+ and you wont hit them for much.... they go voidwalker and they gain more hp over time and they can sac for a free huge dmg shield (.5 sec pet summon lets them summons a new pet quick too)
pain suppression priest played WELL: takes forever to kill, all the healing gear having +dmg lets them win attrition wars a lot better then most classes
well geared feral druids: bash, pop out regrowth, frenzied rejuv.... big resil big hp and big armor... just a nasty fight (and feral druids will almost get the jump on rogues lacking 5/5 MOD almost EVERY time, death to mutilate and death to full combat)
resto shamans: down to earth shield, windfury the 1H weapon, imp shocks and imp shield.... hard to win this war of attrition too, albeit its prob one of the easier fights on this list (MAKE SURE you kill every single searing totem you see at the very least)
(assuming pvp gear at 70, resilience at at least decent levels)
warriors: obvious
frost mage: obvious again, kite city here
bm hunter: they go red, immune to stun... scatter into pet into flare and you cant even vanish to run, try to hide to even have a chance (or sprint/AR and maybe just rush em down... but S3 hunter 'stat stick' hits like a truck, be aware)
sl/sl lock: drain life over time, skill coil into fear into curse of EX, good gear they got 13k hp+ and you wont hit them for much.... they go voidwalker and they gain more hp over time and they can sac for a free huge dmg shield (.5 sec pet summon lets them summons a new pet quick too)
pain suppression priest played WELL: takes forever to kill, all the healing gear having +dmg lets them win attrition wars a lot better then most classes
well geared feral druids: bash, pop out regrowth, frenzied rejuv.... big resil big hp and big armor... just a nasty fight (and feral druids will almost get the jump on rogues lacking 5/5 MOD almost EVERY time, death to mutilate and death to full combat)
resto shamans: down to earth shield, windfury the 1H weapon, imp shocks and imp shield.... hard to win this war of attrition too, albeit its prob one of the easier fights on this list (MAKE SURE you kill every single searing totem you see at the very least)
all the more reason to spec 'step!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that Blizz intends for sub to be the main pvp tree. My evidence is simply that they killed mut and later buffed the sub tree. To revitalize/uber-buff mut would be essentially Blizz publically admitting they made a HUGE mistake with resilience. The 'step buff of adding a combo point is evidence that they still are still playing with sub.
As a professional coder (in LOLtran though...) I can say that rather than deeply research the consequenses of changing a code, it is WAY easier just to make a change and run the code to see what happens. All the recent sub. tree change sound like Blizz tweaking the sub tree formula without researching the consequenses very well, hence the "OP"ness of hemo, the marginally helpful CP addition to 'step, the crazy buffs to DD, serrated etc... I will never understand the whole threat reduction of step though. Somewhere I read someone say it is Blizz' joke basically meaning a step rogue is harmless.
warriors: obvious
can't be helped....
frost mage: obvious again, kite city here
Step FTW!!!!
bm hunter: they go red,
my answer to big red is RUN!!!! prep and step help with this... sad....
sl/sl lock:
no idea. I try hard not to fight OP lolezmodes...
pain suppression priest played WELL: takes forever to kill, all the healing gear having +dmg lets them win attrition wars a lot better then most classes
'step FTW? no idea...
well geared feral druids:
multiple openers + can't kite me (also multiple imp. sprints) FTW!!!
resto shamans: down to earth shield, windfury the 1H weapon, imp shocks and imp shield.... hard to win this war of attrition too, albeit its prob one of the easier fights on this list (MAKE SURE you kill every single searing totem you see at the very least)
no idea.
Seriously the O-boards are making me sad ("rouges are the weakest class QQ"). You guys always made me feel better about the time invested in my rogue. Now you're making me sad to...
My first attempt at a markup LOL
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 12:08pm by DrMayhem
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 12:09pm by DrMayhem
As a professional coder (in LOLtran though...) I can say that rather than deeply research the consequenses of changing a code, it is WAY easier just to make a change and run the code to see what happens. All the recent sub. tree change sound like Blizz tweaking the sub tree formula without researching the consequenses very well, hence the "OP"ness of hemo, the marginally helpful CP addition to 'step, the crazy buffs to DD, serrated etc... I will never understand the whole threat reduction of step though. Somewhere I read someone say it is Blizz' joke basically meaning a step rogue is harmless.
mongoosexcore wrote:
warriors: obvious
can't be helped....
mongoosexcore wrote:
frost mage: obvious again, kite city here
Step FTW!!!!
mongoosexcore wrote:
bm hunter: they go red,
my answer to big red is RUN!!!! prep and step help with this... sad....
mongoosexcore wrote:
sl/sl lock:
no idea. I try hard not to fight OP lolezmodes...
mongoosexcore wrote:
pain suppression priest played WELL: takes forever to kill, all the healing gear having +dmg lets them win attrition wars a lot better then most classes
'step FTW? no idea...
mongoosexcore wrote:
well geared feral druids:
multiple openers + can't kite me (also multiple imp. sprints) FTW!!!
mongoosexcore wrote:
resto shamans: down to earth shield, windfury the 1H weapon, imp shocks and imp shield.... hard to win this war of attrition too, albeit its prob one of the easier fights on this list (MAKE SURE you kill every single searing totem you see at the very least)
no idea.
Seriously the O-boards are making me sad ("rouges are the weakest class QQ"). You guys always made me feel better about the time invested in my rogue. Now you're making me sad to...
My first attempt at a markup LOL
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 12:08pm by DrMayhem
Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 12:09pm by DrMayhem
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/11
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Frost mage,bm hunter,sl/sl lock,pain suppression priest played WELL,well geared feral druids,resto shamans.
How You see fighting with all this classes-with the same skill and gear,can I win or rogue is simply weaker and finally lose because in WoW paper kill scisors(Iam writing about end game gear and skilled players on both sides).
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 4:03pm by Luckybone
How You see fighting with all this classes-with the same skill and gear,can I win or rogue is simply weaker and finally lose because in WoW paper kill scisors(Iam writing about end game gear and skilled players on both sides).
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 4:03pm by Luckybone
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