Now that I have 41 points in the Affliction build (and Unstable Affliction), I need to decide where to put my future talent points. Mostly I play solo PvE. Given that, for a primarily Affliction specced warlock, what are the pros and cons of the other trees? And what are the better low-level talents in those trees?
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NOT coming from an 1337 lock...
Nothing really major to comment about, besides this: imp CoA can be dropped imo and put those points into emp corruption...
now, I would recommend ISB-bane-shadowburn...nice little spell, helps me all the time. Demo is, of course, focused on your minions and such, not as efficient as affliction, but has some nice qualities in PvP and solo PvE. Destro is the nuking tree of locks, think mage more or less. Its the most inefficient tree, but has nice burst dmg.
Look around on the forums for other builds/templates, and go by how YOU want to play...many a time I hear someone bit****g about my talents or playstyle (draintanking and i still get flamed o.O) It's a game, enjoy it your way :-)
Nothing really major to comment about, besides this: imp CoA can be dropped imo and put those points into emp corruption...
now, I would recommend ISB-bane-shadowburn...nice little spell, helps me all the time. Demo is, of course, focused on your minions and such, not as efficient as affliction, but has some nice qualities in PvP and solo PvE. Destro is the nuking tree of locks, think mage more or less. Its the most inefficient tree, but has nice burst dmg.
Look around on the forums for other builds/templates, and go by how YOU want to play...many a time I hear someone bit****g about my talents or playstyle (draintanking and i still get flamed o.O) It's a game, enjoy it your way :-)
For leveling I really liked when I re-did my talents and got demonic embrace and Improved Void. My void could hold mobs till the end of the fight, and it really helped when soloing elites.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?2502222512200115512010050330133200000000000000000000000000000000
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This is the route I went (just added points to yours). Then after I hit 70, I respeced again to for a group oriented DPS build.
With just the regular quest rewards and the netherweave set I could sustain ~325 DPS with no downtime.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 4:03pm by MrDallas
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This is the route I went (just added points to yours). Then after I hit 70, I respeced again to for a group oriented DPS build.
With just the regular quest rewards and the netherweave set I could sustain ~325 DPS with no downtime.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 4:03pm by MrDallas
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Mostly I play solo PvE.
What is your playstyle? Do you drain-tank, drain-hunt, or something else? It helps to know how you fight, so we can suggest talents appropriate...
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what are the pros and cons of the other trees? And what are the better low-level talents in those trees?
Demonology is defensive (at least until you get down into Demonic Sacrifice and Master Demonlogist). Destruction is offensive. The only really bad talents in Demonology are Master Conjurer and Improved Enslave, and you can't get those while specced UA. For Destro, avoid Cataclysm and Aftermath (yes, they both look good, but Impr. Shadow Bolt and Bane are MUCH better choices), and you probably want to avoid Improved Firebolt and Impr. Lash of Pain as well, but those are a little more negotiable.
It boils down to how you want to play. Demonology will improve your durability, while Destruction will let you kill stuff quicker. Destro is better if you want to do instances, as Aff.'s DoTs tend to not help much on the shorter trash fights (although, you will SHINE on bosses). Demo will help you last longer against mobs, so if you drain-tank I'd suggest going down there.
Try one, and if it doesn't suit you, it'll just cost a few gold to respec and try something else. :)
Personally I run with a 41/0/20 setup. It's not a common build, but it works well for just about everything.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0502220512231115512010000000000000000000000505000512200000000000
It helps in pvp because of the reduced chance to get pushback, PvE because when soloing you can easily drain tank and sb/immo, plus you get 36 yard range on almost all of your spells.
Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002050130133200100000000555100512200013030250
The main points of this spec is shadowbolt spam and felhunter sacrifice. You never go oom, if you do get low on health just bandage, and you can fight forever. Obviously there's a few parts you can change, like improved vw and cataclysm, but the majority of it is there to help you. Unfortunately, it isn't that great for pvp because you're a glass cannon and have no "oh ****!" moves like shadowfury.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0502220512231115512010000000000000000000000505000512200000000000
It helps in pvp because of the reduced chance to get pushback, PvE because when soloing you can easily drain tank and sb/immo, plus you get 36 yard range on almost all of your spells.
Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002050130133200100000000555100512200013030250
The main points of this spec is shadowbolt spam and felhunter sacrifice. You never go oom, if you do get low on health just bandage, and you can fight forever. Obviously there's a few parts you can change, like improved vw and cataclysm, but the majority of it is there to help you. Unfortunately, it isn't that great for pvp because you're a glass cannon and have no "oh ****!" moves like shadowfury.
I also just hit 50. I've been drain tanking, but only because voidwalker has lost its ability to hold aggro. I can take 3 or 4 mobs like 4 levels below me but IMO that doesnt really count. I can handle mobs my level 1v1 no problem, MAYBE 2 but I'd rather avoid it. I'd like to use the Felguard, but what it really comes down to is which is fastest. I like whatever makes me level the fastest, the sense that I am progressing quickly is the fun for me, not how I am doing it.
My build for level 56, when I plan to get Felguard is this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IV0oZ0gczIizcesz
I put in Imp. Health funnel because I've heard felguard needs healing because of it has less defense but with Demonic Resilence, I'm not sure if I need this. Besides, it would just go into Imp. Healthstone, which I dont use.
The next point here is that I went into Imp Corruption before Demonic Tactics. IMO, Instant Corruption is more important than 5% crit. If I were using SB more, maybe but I dont.
This is my build at level 70:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrZ0gczIizcest
The path was maxing out Imp Life Tap, Demonic Tactics, Soul Siphon, and then Imp. Soul Siphon.
Then at 70, I can respec into w/e for raiding or PvP.
So any comments on either my level 56 build or my path to 70 is very much appreciated.
My build for level 56, when I plan to get Felguard is this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IV0oZ0gczIizcesz
I put in Imp. Health funnel because I've heard felguard needs healing because of it has less defense but with Demonic Resilence, I'm not sure if I need this. Besides, it would just go into Imp. Healthstone, which I dont use.
The next point here is that I went into Imp Corruption before Demonic Tactics. IMO, Instant Corruption is more important than 5% crit. If I were using SB more, maybe but I dont.
This is my build at level 70:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrZ0gczIizcest
The path was maxing out Imp Life Tap, Demonic Tactics, Soul Siphon, and then Imp. Soul Siphon.
Then at 70, I can respec into w/e for raiding or PvP.
So any comments on either my level 56 build or my path to 70 is very much appreciated.
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I was affliction ever since I could spec up till 60 and absolutely loved the tree, primarily because when I put those DoTs on, I want them to hit like trains. At the suggestion of my bud, I grudgingly respecced to Demonology at 60. Wow... dots still hit hard, I get more crits and a lot more survivability. For solo PvE, I would highly recommend respeccing at 55/56 when you can get the felguard and the instant cast corruption. I loved siphon life and dark pact... a LOT... but the benefits I receive from the demo tree outweigh them in my opinion.
If you are worried about your DoTs not hitting hard, don't... they WILL, especially if you get the talents that increase this. I don't recommend using points that improve a specific demon unless you really like using it in particular.
As solo PvE, I would highly, highly recommend demo at 55/56. At least try it once to know if it works for you. It's worth the cost in gold and the PITA to redo your buttons. This, from an affliction junkie.
At 70, I will probably respec to SL/SL.
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Sol, that 56 point build is very solid.
If you are worried about your DoTs not hitting hard, don't... they WILL, especially if you get the talents that increase this. I don't recommend using points that improve a specific demon unless you really like using it in particular.
As solo PvE, I would highly, highly recommend demo at 55/56. At least try it once to know if it works for you. It's worth the cost in gold and the PITA to redo your buttons. This, from an affliction junkie.
At 70, I will probably respec to SL/SL.
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Sol, that 56 point build is very solid.
Miscelaneous wrote:
Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
Very much so. I prefer to sac VW for hp buff and then I LT when I need mana. Its really amazing.
I do feel a bit like a fragile glass doll now and I cant really take more than 3 mobs at the time at most.
But being to able to spam SBs and not worry about getting oom is great feeling.
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Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
Ugh.
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At 70, I will probably respec to SL/SL.
For the OP, I wouldn't recommend this. SL/SL is highly based on survivability, your dps will suck. You're much better off getting deep into one tree if you solo most of the time. The only places that I've seen SL/SL as a viable spec is PvP, mostly arenas.
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mikelolol wrote:
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Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
Ugh.
Yeah...
What?!
How is that possibly better than even 40/21/0?
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 1:49am by Aquilllo
Aquilllo wrote:
mikelolol wrote:
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Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
Ugh.
Yeah...
What?!
How is that possibly better than even 40/21/0?
Edited, Dec 4th 2007 1:49am by Aquilllo
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mikelolol wrote:
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Now if you're gonna solo most of the time, 0/21/40 is by far the best grinding spec ever.
Ugh.
How about "IF you want to toy with destro more than like 21 pts, DS gives some really nice soloing solutions".
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