paladin frustrationFollow

I'm guessing you're referring to changes that effect PvP?

For PVE the changes they've made for Prot Pallies has been just great as far as I'm concerned. Some stuff could be better but they seem to be moving in the right direction.

When was Ret ever good?

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Ok, in what context do you mean this? From what I've read an what small amount of experience I have playing the class, prot is not good at all for PvP because you lack the damage dealing capability and the only thing it has going for it is you take forever to die. Ret, (from what I have read) is horrible in 70 PvP because you're pretty much a warrior w/o Mortal Strike, which pretty much makes you worthless. Also, the high lvl PvP gear almost forces you to be holy as it includes tons of Sta and Int.

So, yes in PvE Ret and Prot are viable specs but in PvP I don't THINK they are.


Feel free to flame me if I am completely off on this.

For me to be scared of a ret pally in pvp they have to be really well-geared, but it seems they scale really well, because I've had some little dwarf pallies beat on me with stormheralds that freaking hurt.

The OP didn't specify PvE or PvP so I didn't feel a need to specify the context. Protection so far has been used primarily as a PvE spec more so than for PvP and vice versa for Retribution. Although, as always, which is the moral of the story, there are exceptions. My point, which is very general, but I believe accurate, is play your Paladin the way you want to play it. Healbot is not the only option even if it is the most accepted option in raids.

Phew, thanks for that. I'll resume breathing then :)

I can complain aabout it! TOO MANY CHOICES. It was simple before, there were even a few talent points that you could throw around, now I gotta respec depending on what I'm going to do and where my gear is at, etc...

Also, I don't like 10% more stamina, seems like a handout to me. Like giving someone 10 bucks who kinda needs it but was working really hard to not need it and it feels like more of an insult than a favor, like they pitied us.



Gaudion's head looks a lot like my bedroom....

Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 10:04am by CapJack

You shave your bedroom?

The only problem with that line of thought is that going from a Retribution Paladin to a Holy Paladin is not an "adjustment". Going from, say, a Frost Mage to a Fire Mage (in PvE, I'm not touching PvP with this one) is an "adjustment". Going from a Retribution Paladin to a Holy Paladin a radical change in party/raid role and the playstyle that it encompasses. You honestly might as well just be playing a different class.

Perhaps it is an adjustment to switch specs, but to be honest even with the improvements to ret, it doesn't seem like overall the best spec for Paladins, or that it is Blizzard's intentr for it to be so. In part this is due to the overall hybrid problem and the fact that the moment a class becomes quite good at three roles, everyone and his mother starts to scream for nerfs. As it is, in PvP the Paladin is an outstanding single target healer - efficient to beat the band healing one target, and quite tough if it gets attacked as well as having "oh ****" options available. It's nice to want to go into PvP and kill stuff (it's quite understandable, it's what motivates a lot of people to PvP after all!), but the Paladin, imo, really shines in PvP as a healer much more than it does as a DPSer. I honestly think that people who are really into DPSing should try another class, because while Paladins *can* DPS reasonably well with very nice gear, because their healing is among the best available in the game, it's almost always going to be viewed by other classes as the highest and best use of the Paladin in PvP situations. So while it's fine to play as you want and all of that, it's also fine for other players to think you will be contributing more overall for the team effort if you were specced and geared to heal very well, rather than DPSing kind of well, struggling against an imperfect spec unless you have absolutely top notch gear.

you guys dont seem to get it, yea paladin are great at healing, yes paladin are great at mana efficient. but when you are along in PVP and you got 1-2 ppl on you trying to kill you what options you got heal yourself to the point of boring them to death.

you can onestly say thats fun. having to stand there get beaten to a pulp and not able to fight back because if you do you get slap.