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#1 Dec 02 2007 at 2:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Personally, I'm thinking about going back to combat or ShS.

125% to 110% is really a pretty huge difference in damage.

Thoughts, questions, comments, concerns? Bribes to get my UI v3 out?

Edited, Dec 2nd 2007 2:08am by Theophany
#2 Dec 02 2007 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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I was thinking of respecing to Hemo/ShS since I've hit 70. But hearing this... I'm gonna stay combat.

Off to BM to get my off-hand!
#3 Dec 02 2007 at 2:34 AM Rating: Good
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if its that bad Ill go back to combat swords. If they bump the white damage bonus that much Ill stay with it.
#4 Dec 02 2007 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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I'm thinking two ars/two sprints/two evasion/two vanishes will still be better than straight up combat maces. However, at least if it isn't it's very easy to switch between the two specs: no more regearing for me!
#5 Dec 02 2007 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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i was using hemo when it was normal dmg +10 debuff

all the 110% "nerf" would do it make me have my hemo/gs macro back in effect, and i wont mind freeing up a hotkey

dont change a thing for me, still gonna be 7-13-41
#6 Dec 02 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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I'm adopting the wait and see attitude. The debuff needs to be more than doubled to make up for the loss in damage. If they, let's say, put the charges back at 30 and leave the damage bonus the same, then it would be about break even for raid DPS.
#7 Dec 02 2007 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sticking with hemo.
#8 Dec 02 2007 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
Really depends on how they adjust the debuff, 110% is just.. too much nerf for me to accept, in terms of PvE raid output.
#9 Dec 02 2007 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
No harm if one Rogue in your raid stays Hemo seeing how its a raid wide debuff on the mob, the build as of now reminds me of SV Hunters where they do pretty solid DPS with a nice damage buff for everyone. So I say if you can stay Hemo/ShS then do so, if not then respec back.
#10 Dec 03 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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The straight damage nerf is gigantic. The debuff needs to be huge for the PvP damage to come back up and i just dont think that will happen. I'll be speccing out of hemo for sure. As of now its about a straight up replacement for SS, nerfed it will be no match.

I have no idea what ill be speccing though. I really like the improved stealth talents and prep, but that will weaken my SS damage. /shrug. probably go back to 19/42
#11 Dec 03 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Are we talking about patch 2.3.2? The one that's on the PTR right now? If so, is this hemo nerf an unannounced nerfing because according to the release notes here the only change to Hemo is:

Hemorrhage: Rank 4 of this ability no longer has its charges consumed by non-physical attacks and spells.

I see nothing about a damage reduction. The only place I ever saw that mentioned was on the o-boards - while they are hosted by Blizzard they're hardly an official source of information.

Or has someone been on the PTR and seen the debuff? If so I might try a muti/subtle build.
#12 Dec 03 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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on the PTR it does 110%. the only question about the legitimacy is that the european site has this change in their patch notes, while the US site only has the change you noted.

It doesnt mean it will go through. I really really hope it doesnt. This was the first time ive been able to spec out of combat since i hit 70 and not feel totally gimped (quite opposite of course, but meh). Patch 2.3 and the buffs it gave also brought me back into playing a lot more, since it was something different.

im keeping my fingers crossed.
#13 Dec 03 2007 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Well, the good thing about it (like I said before) is that if hemo really does get nerfed all it costs you to switch back to combat maces is gold. The weapons are the same, and anyone who goes from a dagger spec to a mace spec will know what I'm talking about.
#14 Dec 03 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Meh, Blizz is giving away the S1 weapons. They're so cheap there's no reason to have a set of all three (maces, swords, daggers) in the bank.


#15 Dec 03 2007 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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how much is the MH and OH? 28k or something? hardly free. Especially when you have things like the battlemaster trinkets and gladiator gear to go for.

If it was still old AV where i could get 500 honor for a 10 minute match it would be a lot easier, but i had a hard time getting over 300 out of a 30 min AV win on av weekend.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 11:08am by KTurner
#16 Dec 03 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Vvillain wrote:
Meh, Blizz is giving away the S1 weapons. They're so cheap there's no reason to have a set of all three (maces, swords, daggers) in the bank.


I assume you meant "to *not* have".

27k each set? That's 15-25 hours of BG playtime. 75 hours is cheap?
#17 Dec 03 2007 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I think AR/Prep is still going to be rather viable, especially for teams that are DPS heavy. The extra survivability that prep gives seems to outweigh the nerf. If you consider that the rogue is more of a support class in 5v5, it makes more sense to stay hemo. The cheaper main attack equates to fast combo points, equates to more control.

Also, the nerf isn't official yet so the whole argument may be pointless.
#18 Dec 03 2007 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
I just went full sub today and its going to take a little getting used to but I definitely like it!
#19 Dec 03 2007 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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I assume you meant "to *not* have".



yeah....NOT have

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27k each set? That's 15-25 hours of BG playtime. 75 hours is cheap?


Let's see. Six Epic weapons for 2-3 weeks of farming BG's?

Ummm, yeah....that's cheap.
#20 Dec 03 2007 at 2:03 PM Rating: Default
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Vvillain wrote:
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I assume you meant "to *not* have".



yeah....NOT have

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27k each set? That's 15-25 hours of BG playtime. 75 hours is cheap?


Let's see. Six Epic weapons for 2-3 weeks of farming BG's?

Ummm, yeah....that's cheap.


5 hours a day for over 2 weeks just for 6 epics which aren't great anymore. Not really cheap.
#21 Dec 03 2007 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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5 hours a day for over 2 weeks just for 6 epics which aren't great anymore. Not really cheap.


Your crazy.

So where else are you going to get 6 guaranteed epics in 2-3 weeks? And not just 6 weps. We're talking 6 MH/OH weps for rogues.

Please enlighten us.

Edit: MAYBE if your raiding 12 hours a day, but if you are a fresh 70 or a 70 in blues and you are looking for a better set of weapons....well, yeah they are GIVING them away.



Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 6:25pm by Vvillain
#22 Dec 03 2007 at 3:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobody is saying that epics are cheap anywhere, but your argument that PvP epics are relatively cheap is flawed as well in the sense that your time frame hinges on winning the vast majority of the BGs you play in.
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#23 Dec 03 2007 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Vvillain wrote:
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5 hours a day for over 2 weeks just for 6 epics which aren't great anymore. Not really cheap.


Your crazy.

So where else are you going to get 6 guaranteed epics in 2-3 weeks? And not just 6 weps. We're talking 6 MH/OH weps for rogues.

Please enlighten us.

Edit: MAYBE if your raiding 12 hours a day, but if you are a fresh 70 or a 70 in blues and you are looking for a better set of weapons....well, yeah they are GIVING them away.



Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 6:25pm by Vvillain


Listen to what you're saying.
Listen to what everyone else is saying.
Stop being such a moran.

I think everyone will agree that BGs for epic weapons as a class such as a Rogue is by far the easiest way to pick up 90+dps MH and OH. However, your statement was that they're free, when in fact they still require hours and hours of work. Hours and hours less work than comparable weapons, perhaps, but hours and hours nonetheless. I'm not wasting my time getting S1 daggers and S1 fists for no reason whatsoever.
#24 Dec 03 2007 at 6:41 PM Rating: Default
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Stop being such a moran.


If you are going to call someone a moron, be sure to spell it right......moron.


#25 Dec 03 2007 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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You obviously don't post in the Asylum, do you, twunt?
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#26 Dec 03 2007 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, twunt.

And you can clear kara in 5 hours and you're pretty much guaranteed an epic if you have no kara gear.
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