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Ok i was messing around in stocks with my shaman. i noticed that frostbrand was going off like crazy. so i came to think that i think DW FB is better then DW WF.My FB was hitting around 290 n critting for 420 with no 3 sec cd to slow it down.So try it out and let me know if you think im crazy or smart??
I know it has been tried before, I have read some threads on it before, from what I have heard is the problem is it just does not scale like wf for a enhancement shaman. It would be nice if we had other options besides WF, at least for an off hand buff, but from what I have read for now WF is still king.
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Yea i was using it myself it wasnt as good as i thought it was but oh well. i did try FT on both weps tho n every 4 hits 1k so i think that might scale better WF n u wont pull argo as much either.i like using WF on main but not on off hand becuz i like a fast off hand n dont know what to use any ideas plz??
WF/WF with 2 slow weapons is widely accepted as the best dps combo for enhancement,as WF scales with AP and FB scales with spell damage, but FB could work also if you had a fast offhand i guess, am i right in thinking that FB always hits for the same amount of damage no matter the speed of the weapon?
EDIT:using the wrong words^^
Edited, Dec 1st 2007 8:16am by pieeatingtroll
EDIT:using the wrong words^^
Edited, Dec 1st 2007 8:16am by pieeatingtroll
pieeatingtroll wrote:
WF/WF with 2 slow weapons is widely accepted as the best dps combo for enhancement,as WF scales with AP and FB scales with spell damage, but FB could work also if you had a fast offhand i guess, am i right in thinking that FB always hits for the same amount of damage no matter the speed of the weapon?
EDIT:using the wrong words^^
Edited, Dec 1st 2007 8:16am by pieeatingtroll
EDIT:using the wrong words^^
Edited, Dec 1st 2007 8:16am by pieeatingtroll
Flametongue Weapon does more damage per strike on slower weapons, less damage per strike on Faster weapons. However, the fire damage on hit scales by 10% of your spell damage, so the end result when well-geared is that faster weapons will benefit more from Flametongue. Elemental shaman like this one.
Windfury scales with AP but has a 3-second phantom cooldown, so dual-wielding fast weapons with Windfury causes an actual potential loss of damage that could be done with a different weapon buff on the off-hand. Furthermore, because Windfury is based on your DPS, it's affected negatively in the offhand slot for the 50% DPS loss. Frostbrand will add the same damage (that scales by 10% of your spell damage) to that left hand. Slow weapons are definitely good for Windfury. Enhancement shaman may often want to MH Windfury and OH Frostbrand.
Frostbrand, unfortunately, isn't a percentage chance to be applied, but a normalized proc rate, at 9 PPM (procs per minute). Regardless of a fast or slow weapon, you will get roughly 8-10 procs every minute, meaning that you're adding around 1720-2150 extra damage per minute with Frostbrand per hand at level 70, scaling up with spell damage.
Personally, I like Frostbrand in BGs because of the snare part of the proc. Snares enemies by 25% for 8 seconds.
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So im going WF in main and off hand im no to sure with becuz it really doesnt matter about speed cuz u have flurry. So now what im asking is whats better for off hand FT or FB? if u use a slow wep FT does around 100 or more n my FB does about 300 but it doesnt proc as much so what u guys think then? cuz i hate DW WF style cuz u lose dmg from ur off hand if it procs
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I also forgot to add that FT n FB also get a bonus from are AP from mental quickness. Now im trying to think hard about this if DW WF or FB would be better or if WF main and either FT or FB for off.Speed only matters for fire in off hand. If u say FB goes off 9 times per min thats 2700 for me but on the other hand WF CAN go off and hit for over 3k so now what u think is better??
well flametongue will give you a steady amount of damage, and frostbrand will give you burst so im going to have to genralise a bit here and say flametongue for PVE and frostbrand for pvp
As I said before, sadly WF/WF is our best combo, if you want to try something else for fun then go for it, but it is a fact WF/WF is the best scaling way to go (for now)
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It could be but i dont see how when ur off hand gives u less dmg from WF and i think FT would do more in the long run then WF procing in off. thats just me tho
From WoWWiki
Windfury vs Rockbiter vs Flametongue vs Frostbrand.
Windfury is by far the best end-game enhancment enchant. It adds a flat +56% boost(talented) to what would be a gear boosted high DPS amount. Windfury is not as good if that DPS amount isn't gear boosted, which is where the other weapon attacks come in.
Rockbiter is the poor shaman's best friend. It is only superior in DPS to Windfury (both at level 60) if the base DPS of the shaman was less than 75 (Base DPS = Weapon DPS + Atk power DPS). I will update this when the BC hits.
Flametongue. Flametongue is the elemental shaman's weapon enchant. Does exceptional damage on an incredibly fast 1 hander as the +10% spell damage effect does not scale with weapon speed.
Frostbrand. Frostbrand is a great enchant for a poorly equipped enhancement shaman or any resto shaman. It procs off of stormstrike, making it acceptable. Its main bonus is its snare, so it is often used by elemental or resto shamans who aren't looking to kill, just to maim.
When dual wielding however, enhancement shamans have to consider the damage penalty on their offhand weapon. The following is a table of how much DPS each buff ADDS
buff main hand off hand
Windfury +(2DPS/5)+(X/7) +(DPS/5)+(X/14)
Rockbiter +X +X/2
Flametongue untested untested
Frostbrand +9X/60 +9X/60
Where X is the number quoted in the description and DPS is the damage per second of the weapon (without any penalty). Therefore it can often be more advantageous for a shaman to cast Frostbrand on her off-hand weapon.
Go with WF unless you have terrible gear, only then FB is viable for an off hander.
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Windfury vs Rockbiter vs Flametongue vs Frostbrand.
Windfury is by far the best end-game enhancment enchant. It adds a flat +56% boost(talented) to what would be a gear boosted high DPS amount. Windfury is not as good if that DPS amount isn't gear boosted, which is where the other weapon attacks come in.
Rockbiter is the poor shaman's best friend. It is only superior in DPS to Windfury (both at level 60) if the base DPS of the shaman was less than 75 (Base DPS = Weapon DPS + Atk power DPS). I will update this when the BC hits.
Flametongue. Flametongue is the elemental shaman's weapon enchant. Does exceptional damage on an incredibly fast 1 hander as the +10% spell damage effect does not scale with weapon speed.
Frostbrand. Frostbrand is a great enchant for a poorly equipped enhancement shaman or any resto shaman. It procs off of stormstrike, making it acceptable. Its main bonus is its snare, so it is often used by elemental or resto shamans who aren't looking to kill, just to maim.
When dual wielding however, enhancement shamans have to consider the damage penalty on their offhand weapon. The following is a table of how much DPS each buff ADDS
buff main hand off hand
Windfury +(2DPS/5)+(X/7) +(DPS/5)+(X/14)
Rockbiter +X +X/2
Flametongue untested untested
Frostbrand +9X/60 +9X/60
Where X is the number quoted in the description and DPS is the damage per second of the weapon (without any penalty). Therefore it can often be more advantageous for a shaman to cast Frostbrand on her off-hand weapon.
Go with WF unless you have terrible gear, only then FB is viable for an off hander.
If you are going to do Windfury/Windfury, use the slowest offhander you can get (that's still a good weapon). It should be equal to or slower than your mainhand.
If it's not, consider Windfury/Frostbrand for your MH/OH combination.
If it's not, consider Windfury/Frostbrand for your MH/OH combination.
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