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tbh, Season2/3 gear is actually pretty damn good for entering raiding. gem it for hit and you've got some fairly reasonable stats. does suck though. blizzard need to sort out their act. just think when S4 comes. wtf will be the the new 'go to stat' on it (this patch was spell penetration). probably spell haste next... o.0... end result is everyone's pvp gear being almost as good as a full SSC/TK with some hjal/bt gear setup..... just minus some hit
Alright, I may as well weigh in too.
To be honest, I think the FSW set is one of the best things a Warlock can ask for from a craftable item. No Nether costs, a bit steep on Primals but all easily obtainable materials. I grinded out my FSW Primals in a week, to be honest if you were really hardcore you could do it in a day or two.
For that minimal investment (compare to the Blacksmithing weapons 0.o) you get an immense amount of Shadow damage and a fairly decent setbonus, much better than the Spellfire one, and the items are socketed too. You cant ask for much more than that.
Now its true that the items lack +hit and +crit... in my opinion that rules out destrolocks, although Destruction doesnt start to overtake Affliction anyway until you have SSC/TK gear. To be honest though, and this will probably raise some ire; FSW > T4. That's right. The setbonuses on T4 are nice (although I could care less about the 4set), but the overwhelming +shadow on FSW just takes the biscuit for Affliction locks. You can find plenty of +hit on weapons, rings, offhands, trinkets and neck items, you dont need it on every single slot, and FSW is only 3 pieces. Those three pieces offer more damage than the entire T4 set at the cost of a little hit and crit, and I personally think it's worth it. Tier 5 however, is much better than FSW on account of having a LOT more hit/crit and not much less damage.
So there. Tailoring is worth it for FSW, and for stuff like Boots of Blasting which are T5-quality.
~sins
To be honest, I think the FSW set is one of the best things a Warlock can ask for from a craftable item. No Nether costs, a bit steep on Primals but all easily obtainable materials. I grinded out my FSW Primals in a week, to be honest if you were really hardcore you could do it in a day or two.
For that minimal investment (compare to the Blacksmithing weapons 0.o) you get an immense amount of Shadow damage and a fairly decent setbonus, much better than the Spellfire one, and the items are socketed too. You cant ask for much more than that.
Now its true that the items lack +hit and +crit... in my opinion that rules out destrolocks, although Destruction doesnt start to overtake Affliction anyway until you have SSC/TK gear. To be honest though, and this will probably raise some ire; FSW > T4. That's right. The setbonuses on T4 are nice (although I could care less about the 4set), but the overwhelming +shadow on FSW just takes the biscuit for Affliction locks. You can find plenty of +hit on weapons, rings, offhands, trinkets and neck items, you dont need it on every single slot, and FSW is only 3 pieces. Those three pieces offer more damage than the entire T4 set at the cost of a little hit and crit, and I personally think it's worth it. Tier 5 however, is much better than FSW on account of having a LOT more hit/crit and not much less damage.
So there. Tailoring is worth it for FSW, and for stuff like Boots of Blasting which are T5-quality.
~sins
simply put... you're wrong about the fsw > t4. heck, if i have to i'll do a full on comparison like i did of the FSW vs mana-etched and that alone proved that the fsw was on barely better than it. another thing. you can go dest in kara/gruul/mag gear (i.e. T4). heck i do. my trash mob gear may be a fair bit of ssc/tk etc.. gear, but for bosses it's almost entirely T4 instance stuff. so yeah, no offence but you're wrong about the fsw > t4 and i'm happy to prove it if you want.
as said, for a starter set. yes it's good. but if given the chance to upgrade to T4. DO IT. it's worth it for ALL warlock specs. also the boots of blasting are arguably T6 instance grade. same with belt of blasting (luckily that's BoE though). if you're not at the hit cap. there are no better boots or belts. if you are, then you can probably fine 1-2 better at most.
Edited, Dec 17th 2007 12:48am by Jenovaomega
as said, for a starter set. yes it's good. but if given the chance to upgrade to T4. DO IT. it's worth it for ALL warlock specs. also the boots of blasting are arguably T6 instance grade. same with belt of blasting (luckily that's BoE though). if you're not at the hit cap. there are no better boots or belts. if you are, then you can probably fine 1-2 better at most.
Edited, Dec 17th 2007 12:48am by Jenovaomega
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Now its true that the items lack +hit and +crit... in my opinion that rules out destrolocks, although Destruction doesnt start to overtake Affliction anyway until you have SSC/TK gear. To be honest though, and this will probably raise some ire; FSW > T4. That's right. The setbonuses on T4 are nice (although I could care less about the 4set), but the overwhelming +shadow on FSW just takes the biscuit for Affliction locks. You can find plenty of +hit on weapons, rings, offhands, trinkets and neck items, you dont need it on every single slot, and FSW is only 3 pieces. Those three pieces offer more damage than the entire T4 set at the cost of a little hit and crit, and I personally think it's worth it. Tier 5 however, is much better than FSW on account of having a LOT more hit/crit and not much less damage.
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no offence but you're wrong about the fsw > t4 and i'm happy to prove it if you want.
No, no Jenova. I've got some time on my hands, allow me.
For the 2 slots that FSW will overlap T4:
T4:
68 stam
55 int
79 damage
27 spell hit
3 yellow sockets (Veiled Noble Topaz = +12hit/15damage)
1 blue socket (Glowing Nightseye = +6stam/5damage)
1 red socket (Runed Blood Garnet = +9 damage)
2 bonuses for +6stam and +4 damage.
Total comes to:
80 stam
55 int
112 damage
39 hit
Shadowflame
FSW:
51 stam
35 int
122 damage
2 yellow sockets (Great Dawnstone +16 hit)
2 blue sockets (Glowing Nightseye +12 stam/+10damage)
2 +3 spell hit socket bonuses
63 stam
35 int
132 damage (shadow only)
35 hit
So... let's see... Is 4 hit, 20 int, 17 stam, and a proc for
135 bonus spellpower > 20 spell power? Hmmm... let's see. According to http://wiki.shadowpriest.com/index.php?title=SimulationCraft/Trinkets/Warlock the T4-2pc is worth about 30 spell power alone for standard raid affliction. If you respec to destro or demo it falls to about 25 spell power. Hit rating is at least 1.5 spell power, I would even go as far as to say 2. int/stam are about 1/3 as good as spell power... ****, it really looks like FSW > T4... Also, shadow power =/= spell power. It's worth about 80% of an all around spell power boost, as it doesn't apply to immolate, a decidedly useful spell.
comparing simply the equivilant pieces, FSW comes to an equivilant bonus damage of 150.8 with the figures 1hit = 1.5 dmg, 1shadow = 0.9 dmg, 1crit = 0.57 dmg. the T4 equivilant pieces comes to 170.5 WITHOUT the set bonus, with the setbonus it's 195-200 depending on spec. if you're already at the 2set bonus and this'll push you to the 4set bonus then it's worth between about 190 and 210. there really isn't much comparison between them and this is also without taking the stam and int differences into account.
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Hmm...truth be told, I tend to agree with Jen. I play the game for fun and having to calculate everything seems too much work to me. Then again, that's MY OPINION. Of course there are those who do so and enjoy it...which is fine. Still, having to calculate the adds and plusses, minusing the losses, searching the AH for better, ridding yourself of what you have and spending a lot of money on what you need.... :groan: It's a lot of work.
To clarify -- I DO upgrade whenever possible (when I have enough money after training). I enjoy playing my warlock and use most of my minions/pets whenever possible. Yes, I'm still learning them and will continue to thruout the game. I'm not struggling to make it to 70...simply because I'd like to ENJOY the game, not fight it every moment. That would be stressful and I play the game to get -away- from stress, not add to it. Playing on a PvP server is enough stress for me, believe me. LOL
I'm not trying to be argumentative in the least. Simply putting my two cents worth in. The initial question about tailoring as a "must have" I believe has been answered (for the most part). The extending threads and arguments appears to have gotten out of hand. Again, let me stress that I'm NOT arguing my point, merely stating my opinions.
-- Challis (Tortheldrin - Lvl 53 [yes, I finally leveled up})
To clarify -- I DO upgrade whenever possible (when I have enough money after training). I enjoy playing my warlock and use most of my minions/pets whenever possible. Yes, I'm still learning them and will continue to thruout the game. I'm not struggling to make it to 70...simply because I'd like to ENJOY the game, not fight it every moment. That would be stressful and I play the game to get -away- from stress, not add to it. Playing on a PvP server is enough stress for me, believe me. LOL
I'm not trying to be argumentative in the least. Simply putting my two cents worth in. The initial question about tailoring as a "must have" I believe has been answered (for the most part). The extending threads and arguments appears to have gotten out of hand. Again, let me stress that I'm NOT arguing my point, merely stating my opinions.
-- Challis (Tortheldrin - Lvl 53 [yes, I finally leveled up})
The only reason to get FSW is to give yourself a little bit of an edge when you START raiding. I still wear the whole FSW purely for the fact that no T4 has dropped for me (although I use the ruby slippers on bosses for the hit).
Yes, with FSW and Spellstrike and some other random drops you can easily hit 170 hit and have a decent crit rating. But you cannot compare it to T4.
On a side note: The number 1 lock in my guild (not in damage but as in class leader) is in almost full T4 insists on using 0/21/40 build FOR FIRE! He even uses the Spellcloth set. It freaks me out how much he is gimping himself when he could be doing such awesome damage (1200 fire damage - which could be 1200 Shadow) >.<
/endrant
And yes, my dps in FSW is higher than his :P (~720)
Yes, with FSW and Spellstrike and some other random drops you can easily hit 170 hit and have a decent crit rating. But you cannot compare it to T4.
On a side note: The number 1 lock in my guild (not in damage but as in class leader) is in almost full T4 insists on using 0/21/40 build FOR FIRE! He even uses the Spellcloth set. It freaks me out how much he is gimping himself when he could be doing such awesome damage (1200 fire damage - which could be 1200 Shadow) >.<
/endrant
And yes, my dps in FSW is higher than his :P (~720)
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Since you all are discussing gear so much why not help me out ;)
Which do u think is better for destruction locks:
-spellstrike set
-or t5 head with a +3% inc spellcrit dmg meta gem
Do u think its worth it to break to spellstrike set?
Which do u think is better for destruction locks:
-spellstrike set
-or t5 head with a +3% inc spellcrit dmg meta gem
Do u think its worth it to break to spellstrike set?
the 3% crit dmg +12crit rate is equviliant to about 35 damage for a destruction warlock. so it's no comparion even as T4 and arguably mana-etched head than spellstrike due to meta if spec'd right. T5 and spellstrike have never been a comparison (T5 all the way) T4 and spellstrike are barely one as it is, and imo they're not one at all.
Jenovaomega wrote:
bonus damage of 150.8 with the figures 1hit = 1.5 dmg, 1shadow = 0.9 dmg, 1crit = 0.57 dmg. the T4 equivilant pieces comes to 170.5 WITHOUT the set bonus, with the setbonus it's 195-200 depending on spec. if you're already at the 2set bonus and this'll push you to the 4set bonus then it's worth between about 190 and 210.
Nothing against you Jenova, I find you very cute in a way and I like you, but things like this made me seriously consider canceling my WoW account.
I will try stop playing for a while and see things from rested point of view maybe.
Gonna drop by and read now and then because I really liked you all here on this forum.
Bye for now everyone :)
awww, ty sethy but i don't understand why theorycrafting makes you hate the game... in the end just play it how you want to and don't do the theoryside if you dislike it so much, i'm one of the sad gits who loves it so you'll find me going mad over it all till i stop caring about the game
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