Is tailoring a MUST have?Follow

The FSW set does help for Kara, but if you can manage to get the Oblivian Rainment set you can make do with that. The Mana-Etched Regalia is good too. Both are will get you Kara ready w/o the FSW set. They are kinda difficult to obtain though, that's why a lot of 'lock just go for the FSW set.

FSW is great for pre-raiding. Thats about it, once you get to the point where you can start collecting T4 pieces FSW loses its perks quite fast.

The majority of really good tailoring items for warlocks are BoE, able to be gotten without having tailoring yourself(Spellstrike set, Girdle of Ruination, Belt of Blasting). The few good tailoring items that are BoP, such as the Boots of Blasting have equivilent items which are just as good if not better that drop off of raid bosses(using the Boots of Blasting as an example, the Boots of Shifting Nightmare that drop off Hydross are just as good if not better).





Since when? The only real money makers from tailoring is the BoE patterns, most of which ppl will come to you with their own mats and only give you money for a nether/tip. The only other thing is the 20 slot bags, which have a horrendous mat cost and require you to try and sell for 200-300g just to make a SMALL profit off of, and most ppl refuse to pay 200-300g for a single 20 slot bag when they can pay 10-20g for an 18 slot. If your looking to make money off a profession I would suggest something like Herbalism instead, Tailoring have been proven time and again to nothing but a huge money sink when it comes to the topic of profit.


That being said. I would suggest picking up tailoring if you dont ever plan on raiding past Kara. This set is great if you only ever do 5 mans and Kara. Once you start doing 25 mans though the set basically becomes garbage.

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indeed. to elaborate. no craft is a must for any class or spec. in the end there's 99% of the time going to be better gear than the crafted stuff in the long run

curious Q. how do even tell if someone has rated you up or down?

Just goes to show you the difference of enconomies server to server. A stack of mana/health pots usually go for around 16g on my server.

Herbalism/Enchanting myself. I can do all my own enchants, and farm all the mats for my pots/flasks myself and just have guildies make them for me. I happen to love this setup as if I really need money I can just sell herbs(which imo is the best money maker in the game) and along with having Cooking and Enchanting and Fishing I can farm all the mats for my raiding consumables myself. Meaning I never have to waste any of my gold on the consumables I use on a daily basis(sta food, spell dmg food, spell crit food, wizard oil, flasks of pure death, healing and rejuv pots, and destruction pots). Atm all I use gold on are repairs, gems, and alts.

Btw, I hadnt got to say it yet, but Solarian down on our first night of attempts(Nov 26th). Just got Vashj and Kael now till were in Hyjal. All of Kara cleared, all of Gruuls cleared, Magtheridon dead, 5/6 SSC, 3/4 TK, and 3/6 ZA(we havent put much effort into clearing ZA, we only run it on off raiding nights). Not too bad considering we only started raiding as a guild September 28th.

On an off note, they REALLY must have nerfed Solarian when they nerfed her a couple of patches ago, cuz omg she was easy, I personally think shes easier than Loot Reaver.....er um...Void Reaver, which is saying ALOT.

isfreak. as destro you DO need the hit. even more so than afliction due to having no talented hit. heck +hit is the best stat for destruction warlocks.
also. every spec needs the hit, and if you're in fsw gear, you're VERY unlikely to be at the hit cap (202) in which case you can always upgrade the gear with more hit stuff (as afliction this means less talents wasted in suppression and used on damage/helping raid. as dest it means you can actually spec dest and deal decent damage)

you can, and should, replace all of FSW with T4. it's better 100% of the time for bosses, and probably equal to FSW for trash mobs. remember. as a lock (regardless of spec)
+spell hit (till 202 hit) > +spell haste > +spell damage (shadow > fire, +damage > both imo) > +spell crit

boots of blasting are good. but if you#re already at the hit cap before them then the spell haste boots from ZA are better. the belt of blasting is amazing and arguably the 2nd best belt in the game, but it's BoE so anyone can have it. also if you're unlucky enough to never get the gear you're after then poor you, but you can't compare the fsw stuff (and 90% of all other crafted epics) to the dropped stuff as there really isn't any comparison. they're just simply there for the less hardcore players / very unlucky ones.

Some of us dont raid for whatever reason.
I couldnt have found better gear in normal instances, getting FSW was really a small cost compared to everything I spent gold on in past few months.
Just to mention 2 epic flying mounts for my both toons, FSW is marginal and serves me really well.

What did you replace it with? That robe from kara is terrible compared to FSW, so are those boots. The T4 shoulders don't drop until high king in gruuls, and the robe doesn't drop until mag. Think you were a little preemptive on dropping tailoring, just becaues its purple doesn't mean its better...



If you're just doing arena, no reason to go tailoring. You don't even need it to raid, I never said you did. The set can last you a very long time though. Most guilds only do Mag a handful of times, I mean is he really worth farming for T4 when you can be working on T5 content? Most guilds dont seem to think so. I'd replace FSW robe with T4, but its still a close call and you can definately live without it.

Next up is robes of Hydross, if you get them, great, those are the ones you're most likely to wear into T6 content, but of course some caster heavy raids won't be able to equip every caster in those robes (~10% drop chance, how many times will you farm Hydross before you hit MH + BT? 15? 20? You might equip 2 casters in your guild with those).

After that are vestments off Vashj and T5 off kael, I know alot of guilds just down these so they can GTFO of T5 and start farming the first few bosses in MH/BT. Its almost like a reward for finally clearing the T5 content, you get a huge amount of bosses who are much easier to most guilds to farm that open up once you get into T6 content, almost nobody goes back through SSC/TK once they can raid T6 stuff.


So IMO, an entire average guild progressing through end-game might see 1 T4 robe, 2-3 robes off Hydross, and maybe 1-2 robes off Kael/Vashj combined (remember tier tokens are shared with hunters + mages).

Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 5:18am by mikelolol

As far as money making goes, I dont think I lost that much on any of my professions and I am having steady income right now.

Tailoring I use to get arcane dust, I have level 20 enchanting alt I DE the belts on, I am never out of dust and essences for whatever enchant I need plus nice amount of extras for sale.

Alchemy I use to make earthstorm diamonds, I fish for water, I buy earth, I get green gems from prospecting on my hunter - every gem I make nets me around 60-70g each day.
I gather herbs on hunter too and make all the potions I need for my 2 70ies, some for guild bank and some for sale. But I just raised herbalism on her recently, I used to buy herbs in AH and could still afford to use any potion I could think of.

With JC on hunter I prospect. I buy ore for 40g 2 stacks max, out of that I get 2-3 gems that sell around 50g each when I cut them.

I never actually tried engineering or BS but I am sure if I set my mind on it I would find some way to make a profit out of them too.

It certainly depends on server economy but I dont think prices compared vary that much. If lets say cut gems go for less then probably the ore goes for less too.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2007 7:01am by Sethy

Hehehe I wish... around 90-100 on mine.
I guess it depends which one too.
It takes me 6g for primal earth to make and cut a meta gem on my 2 toons. I dont have some designs yet though and I hate to predict which one will sell that day or have no competition so I rather sell uncut ones for little less.

But 194g would be a pretty nice pocket money every day :D