I know with scorpions nurfed now, they are out of the picture but people seem to think ravagers are the new 'IT' pet to have for raid dps. I still pull an average of 25% of my dps with a cat in t5's. Was curious if wind serpents, ravagers, or cats had a winner amongst them for PVE dmg.
Also add your two cents for the best PVP if you want but please, please, please read the 50 million other posts telling you to use a boar or bear or whatever for leveling. Keep this on endgame PVE and PVP =)
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Also, I only use claw, was curious if bite is more bang for your buck even though it costs so much more focus. Claw, dash, growl, and prowl are my general choices for most raid encounters (that also carries over into my general daily uses) although 'respeccing my pet' for nature resistance is vital on Vashj.
For any group activities that is not PvP related, I use a raptor. It's a win-win if you ask me. You can train them both Bite and Claw for more DPS. Growl naturally like all pets for off-tanking (they have decent armor and HP when you train them adequately). And Dash for getting them into the fight that much faster, which is always a plus.
For PvP I use a cat, trained with Bite, Claw, Dash and Prowl.
For PvP I use a cat, trained with Bite, Claw, Dash and Prowl.
LB was nerfed, then Scorpids, so Ravagers/Cats for raid DPS, tooltip damage on Claw=65, on Gore=73.5, so Ravagers are going to be doing more DPS, on average, so there is no question if you do want the maxium DPS, go ravager.
For bite vs gore vs claw (I didn't look at his math when I found this, so it might be incorrect)
Claw = 2.6 dmg per focus
Gore = 2.94 dmg per focus
Bite = 3.4 dmg per focus
Bite > Gore > Claw
Link to Claw vs Gore
Damage/Focus
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 7:06pm by Yuppley
For bite vs gore vs claw (I didn't look at his math when I found this, so it might be incorrect)
WoW EU Forums wrote:
Claw = 2.6 dmg per focus
Gore = 2.94 dmg per focus
Bite = 3.4 dmg per focus
Bite > Gore > Claw
Link to Claw vs Gore
Damage/Focus
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 7:06pm by Yuppley
Now compare that DPS by the focus needed to proc it and you get
bite-35 focus
claw-25 focus
gore-25 focus with 50% chance of 2x dmg
Seems the obvious answer is gore, meaning ravager would destroy cats for raid dps. Now I heard wind serpents were more dps then cats as well. If anyone knows their specials etc we can settle this issue once and for all, or well, until the next patch...
bite-35 focus
claw-25 focus
gore-25 focus with 50% chance of 2x dmg
Seems the obvious answer is gore, meaning ravager would destroy cats for raid dps. Now I heard wind serpents were more dps then cats as well. If anyone knows their specials etc we can settle this issue once and for all, or well, until the next patch...
Bite must be always on auto cast complementing gore/claw.
I think I remember reading somewhere that ravagers work out to be more damage since lightning breath was nerfed. But I don't remember where.
In any case, I don't think I could ever bring myself to take a flying pet on raids. I raid on my shadow priest but one of the hunters has a wind serpent and it's always flapping in my face. It's very irritating and gets in the way. I miss the days when she used a cat :)
In any case, I don't think I could ever bring myself to take a flying pet on raids. I raid on my shadow priest but one of the hunters has a wind serpent and it's always flapping in my face. It's very irritating and gets in the way. I miss the days when she used a cat :)
Well, I don't have any of the math threads relating to these pets bookmarked, and I'm too lazy to dig them up, but it pretty much said Ravager over Cat over Raptors. Still, the difference is unimportant and won't really matter to anyone that isn't an elitist little sod really...
My advice is that you pick the pet that you feel like having. Don't discount the feeling of comfort or sheer badassery of having a pet you think is awesome. That feeling will inevitably provide contentness and self-esteem, which will in the end increase your personal performance since you won't be lowering both your expectations and attitude.
This is all slightly philosophical and so on, but I've found as a Classleader for Hunters that increasing my Hunter stable's performance is done more by increasing their self-esteem, attitude and morale than by nitpicking over their speccs, pets and enchants. Of course, all the math stuff helps, but the main thing to think about when you play is that you, the player is the main source of DPS. You just won't have a spreadsheet readily available to show the math on it.
So, go for a cat, ravager, raptor or whatever you feel like as long as it is a DPS pet, and go kill those bosses.
Oh, as for pet skills. Just give them Claw/Gore and Bite. Depending on your specc you should have at least one Focus generation talent that will allow you to dump pretty much all the time. That math has been done in the past, and I see my Humar doing more damage with Bite than without.
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 8:43pm by NorthAI
My advice is that you pick the pet that you feel like having. Don't discount the feeling of comfort or sheer badassery of having a pet you think is awesome. That feeling will inevitably provide contentness and self-esteem, which will in the end increase your personal performance since you won't be lowering both your expectations and attitude.
This is all slightly philosophical and so on, but I've found as a Classleader for Hunters that increasing my Hunter stable's performance is done more by increasing their self-esteem, attitude and morale than by nitpicking over their speccs, pets and enchants. Of course, all the math stuff helps, but the main thing to think about when you play is that you, the player is the main source of DPS. You just won't have a spreadsheet readily available to show the math on it.
So, go for a cat, ravager, raptor or whatever you feel like as long as it is a DPS pet, and go kill those bosses.
Oh, as for pet skills. Just give them Claw/Gore and Bite. Depending on your specc you should have at least one Focus generation talent that will allow you to dump pretty much all the time. That math has been done in the past, and I see my Humar doing more damage with Bite than without.
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 8:43pm by NorthAI
Is Furious Howl not really a factor, then?
Not anymore. No. Doesn't scale well enough.
Someone asked about best pvp pet. I would have to go with the owl.
I know it only gets a 7% damage bonus but it gets screech and bite.
Bite, we all know about this.
Screech, this attack does AoE damage, not much but some
- My big reason for liking screech is that if you put your pet on a target for 80% of that fight they have -290 ap. This reduction in your enemies dps i feel more than makes up for the slight loss in your pets damage.
Also owl gets dive. Good for closing to target quickly.
This is just my thoughts
Greengimp
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
I know it only gets a 7% damage bonus but it gets screech and bite.
Bite, we all know about this.
Screech, this attack does AoE damage, not much but some
- My big reason for liking screech is that if you put your pet on a target for 80% of that fight they have -290 ap. This reduction in your enemies dps i feel more than makes up for the slight loss in your pets damage.
Also owl gets dive. Good for closing to target quickly.
This is just my thoughts
Greengimp
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
greengimp wrote:
Someone asked about best pvp pet. I would have to go with the owl.
I know it only gets a 7% damage bonus but it gets screech and bite.
Bite, we all know about this.
Screech, this attack does AoE damage, not much but some
- My big reason for liking screech is that if you put your pet on a target for 80% of that fight they have -290 ap. This reduction in your enemies dps i feel more than makes up for the slight loss in your pets damage.
Also owl gets dive. Good for closing to target quickly.
This is just my thoughts
Greengimp
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
I know it only gets a 7% damage bonus but it gets screech and bite.
Bite, we all know about this.
Screech, this attack does AoE damage, not much but some
- My big reason for liking screech is that if you put your pet on a target for 80% of that fight they have -290 ap. This reduction in your enemies dps i feel more than makes up for the slight loss in your pets damage.
Also owl gets dive. Good for closing to target quickly.
This is just my thoughts
Greengimp
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
Did you mean PVP or were you trying to say PVE cause this seems to be mainly a PVE topic... you got me lost lol.
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Did you mean PVP or were you trying to say PVE cause this seems to be mainly a PVE topic... you got me lost lol.
OP also said input on peoples opinions of the best PVP pet was fine.
I'd like to know why every hunter, well not every hunter, but a majority of hunters in BG use boars. You'd think they would want a DPS pet since tanking is sort of out of the question, maybe they don't know they can stable pets? Or did I miss something that makes Boars>DPS pets?
fuzzzywuzy wrote:
I'd like to know why every hunter, well not every hunter, but a majority of hunters in BG use boars. You'd think they would want a DPS pet since tanking is sort of out of the question, maybe they don't know they can stable pets? Or did I miss something that makes Boars>DPS pets?
the charge stun - probably the best reason to go BGing with your faithfl HAMster ;]
Edited, Dec 1st 2007 4:48am by watman
Boars have charge and gore, and they tie with the turtle for highest total +armor and +health.
You now have a 1 second immobilize, near-instant pet travel to your target, a high-damage no-cooldown attack that's on average better than claw, and a lower chance for your pet to die.
It's the perfect BG pet, solo pet, early instance pet. He's not as good in solo PVP (probably not in Arena either), and taking him to high-end instances and raids can be dangerous.
Charge does weird things sometimes. If charge is on auto, with the CD done, enough focus, and there's a target in combat (I think. I've never had him charge an unrelated mob. Maybe because 25 yards isn't really that far.) that's 8-25 yards away, he will charge it. It doesn't in itself break CC, but if you have a damage ability on auto, he might use it after charging something that's not his main target. CC is broken, and that could be a big hassle, even a wipe.
Boars are bad raid pets, but do good just about anywhere else.
You now have a 1 second immobilize, near-instant pet travel to your target, a high-damage no-cooldown attack that's on average better than claw, and a lower chance for your pet to die.
It's the perfect BG pet, solo pet, early instance pet. He's not as good in solo PVP (probably not in Arena either), and taking him to high-end instances and raids can be dangerous.
Charge does weird things sometimes. If charge is on auto, with the CD done, enough focus, and there's a target in combat (I think. I've never had him charge an unrelated mob. Maybe because 25 yards isn't really that far.) that's 8-25 yards away, he will charge it. It doesn't in itself break CC, but if you have a damage ability on auto, he might use it after charging something that's not his main target. CC is broken, and that could be a big hassle, even a wipe.
Boars are bad raid pets, but do good just about anywhere else.
This thread was quite helpful, and it wasn't even my question. Thanks everyone!
I have long been considering getting a raptor (although the thought of heavy catch-up leveling is not a comforting one) ready for the possibility of grouping sometime in the future. More and more of them are hitting 60+ and asking to do instances, so I might jump in on one or two.
Reguardless, this thread made it definate that I must grab one and get to skilling and leveling it soon. I was never as serious as I should be about my pet...
I have long been considering getting a raptor (although the thought of heavy catch-up leveling is not a comforting one) ready for the possibility of grouping sometime in the future. More and more of them are hitting 60+ and asking to do instances, so I might jump in on one or two.
Reguardless, this thread made it definate that I must grab one and get to skilling and leveling it soon. I was never as serious as I should be about my pet...
You won't have to do catch-up with raptors, there are mid 60s raptors in Outlands. Blade's Edge Mountains to be specific, there are two kinds.
I know but I want a wed wone! (red one if you missed that)
Red Outland skinned rapotr in Blade's Edge is 67, old skin, theres a 60 in ZG with it.
I was thinking more along the lines of http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_raptorskinred.shtml
I may try to run up in ZG and grab one, but if that don't work I'll have to get a "younger" one. I don't like the ones in BEM. Steriods much? http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_raptor_outlandred.shtml
Rate up for your more than logical responses though. I tend to make my life as complicated as possible just cuz it's prettier.
I may try to run up in ZG and grab one, but if that don't work I'll have to get a "younger" one. I don't like the ones in BEM. Steriods much? http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_raptor_outlandred.shtml
Rate up for your more than logical responses though. I tend to make my life as complicated as possible just cuz it's prettier.
I am pretty sure this thread determined Ravagers > Cats for raiding.
Cobra reflexes and a cat is a must for PVP, and cobra reflexes is also a must for any BM hunter, that way you can go 4/5 Ferocious and copy my uber BM talent spec =).
Yea I got tired of the same 'ole thread for nub hunters so needed this more specific thread on aid worthy animals.
I got a 70 ravager now, still use my cat for PVP. THE ONLY 70 RAVAGERS are on netherwing ledge in the southern mines. Fly into the mine (unless you have the disguise) and when you lose your mount run run run down to where the railroad tracks meet and feign death. Wait for the pat to go past and either sip an invisibility potion or hit your shadowmeld key, then wait for FD and progress down the tunnel. Stay n the tracks and veer right at the junction. Put up beast tracking and tame your new ravager. They spawn sporadically and travel fast on long routes but they are there.
If you can level a 63 ravager, the ones by Toshley's Station change between three colors when you summon them. NICE! But 63-70 is not gonna happen with me.
Cobra reflexes and a cat is a must for PVP, and cobra reflexes is also a must for any BM hunter, that way you can go 4/5 Ferocious and copy my uber BM talent spec =).
Yea I got tired of the same 'ole thread for nub hunters so needed this more specific thread on aid worthy animals.
I got a 70 ravager now, still use my cat for PVP. THE ONLY 70 RAVAGERS are on netherwing ledge in the southern mines. Fly into the mine (unless you have the disguise) and when you lose your mount run run run down to where the railroad tracks meet and feign death. Wait for the pat to go past and either sip an invisibility potion or hit your shadowmeld key, then wait for FD and progress down the tunnel. Stay n the tracks and veer right at the junction. Put up beast tracking and tame your new ravager. They spawn sporadically and travel fast on long routes but they are there.
If you can level a 63 ravager, the ones by Toshley's Station change between three colors when you summon them. NICE! But 63-70 is not gonna happen with me.
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