is the damage from lightning overload half of the damage you do or half of your bonus spell damage?
the reason i ask is because im 49, with 5 bonus spell damage (not too too worried about gear till outlands) and my lightning overload does the same damage as my lightning, sometimes it does more, is this a bug?
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I'm sure its half the non crit damage that you deal. Read the talent description carefully, it doesn't say anything about spell damage being halved right?
Just to add on my observations, LO procs damages for half of previous LB or CL. This does not take into account if your attack has a critical hit or not.
Example, your normal LB deals 1200 dmg. Let's say it crits for 2500 dmg. LO will deal only 600 dmg if it does not crit.
I hope this makes sense. Anybody who knows more about this can help out a bit?
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 6:04am by Lecanthi
Just to add on my observations, LO procs damages for half of previous LB or CL. This does not take into account if your attack has a critical hit or not.
Example, your normal LB deals 1200 dmg. Let's say it crits for 2500 dmg. LO will deal only 600 dmg if it does not crit.
I hope this makes sense. Anybody who knows more about this can help out a bit?
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 6:04am by Lecanthi
ill try to clerify, i have examples of this:
lightning bolt hits for 322
the overload hits for 326
this is happening a lot, there are no half damages happening for me, i don't know, maybe im hacked? lol
lightning bolt hits for 322
the overload hits for 326
this is happening a lot, there are no half damages happening for me, i don't know, maybe im hacked? lol
Dimion wrote:
ill try to clerify, i have examples of this:
lightning bolt hits for 322
the overload hits for 326
this is happening a lot, there are no half damages happening for me, i don't know, maybe im hacked? lol
lightning bolt hits for 322
the overload hits for 326
this is happening a lot, there are no half damages happening for me, i don't know, maybe im hacked? lol
Hmm, you might have discovered a bug. After all the LO talent change is only about 2 weeks old.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 7:48am by Lecanthi
I'm going to start watching for this... I'll let you know what, if anything, I discover.
same happens for me a lot...
LB - 1237
LO - 1398
LB - 1237
LO - 1398
yay i am not the only one! there are other crazy elemental shammies out there who do not follow the laws of blizzard! woot!
on a serious note though, maybe it is a bug, im not sure how it happens, but it certainly makes leveling easier (if it wasnt easy enough already)
on a serious note though, maybe it is a bug, im not sure how it happens, but it certainly makes leveling easier (if it wasnt easy enough already)
im not gonna complain at all about this... more damage FTW
You might have already tried to clarify this, but are you sure your LO's are hitting and not critting? The LO hit is completely seperate from the LB/CL hit, so it can crit even when the LB/CL does not. That would very easily explain the discrepency.
Right now I've got around 280 +spell damage, I think. My LB's hit for a little over 700 and my LO's clock in around 360. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Right now I've got around 280 +spell damage, I think. My LB's hit for a little over 700 and my LO's clock in around 360. Nothing out of the ordinary.
i am absolutely sure. This may be where the bug lies, my lightning overloads are not identified as lightning overloads in the combat log, just another lightning bolt in between my lightning bolt casts, and yes i am sure they are lightning overloads, when balls of lightning come out faster than i can cast em (every 2 seconds) then those in betweens are overloads. May that be the cause?
And once again im 100% sure that my lightning overloads are HITTING and not critting.
And once again im 100% sure that my lightning overloads are HITTING and not critting.
same here, my usual LBs hit for 800-900, as do the LOs. they arent exploding on to my screen so they arent crits.
Same thing for me. :D Just glad I was reading the tooltip right.
I get about the same damage with each one. Go figure. Bug :P
I get about the same damage with each one. Go figure. Bug :P
What is this? No Fair! I want the bug too!
I just ran through Slave Pens.
265 bonus spell damage. My LB's, CL's, and LO's all hit and crit independantly, and my LO's were consistantly an average of half my LB/CL damage unless they crit on their own. Smaller text for hits and larger text for crits displayed their graphical effects on screen as normal, combat log recorded all the hits accurately as normal.
Not sure what it is you're experiencing, but it doesn't appear to be a universal bug.
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 1:30am by Gaudion
265 bonus spell damage. My LB's, CL's, and LO's all hit and crit independantly, and my LO's were consistantly an average of half my LB/CL damage unless they crit on their own. Smaller text for hits and larger text for crits displayed their graphical effects on screen as normal, combat log recorded all the hits accurately as normal.
Not sure what it is you're experiencing, but it doesn't appear to be a universal bug.
Edited, Nov 29th 2007 1:30am by Gaudion
I've noticed this too, in pvp i've been hit by a doubled chain lightning for 3200 apiece. It can't be where the CL hit me, another toon and back to me as its supposed to half and then half again.
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i found that my rank 10 lightning bolts would proc LO
and they would hit more or less the same as the orginal
lightning bolt but as soon as i got my rank 11 lightning bolt,
then LO was back to its half damage.
and they would hit more or less the same as the orginal
lightning bolt but as soon as i got my rank 11 lightning bolt,
then LO was back to its half damage.
Well then maybe it is a bug related to some determined amount of spell damage, seeing as how the two people that said they didnt have the bug, and actually said their spell damage, had 250+ whereas the OP had minimal.
Or it could be related to the damage given out by rank 10 LB and the diference between it and rank 11, maybe it interferes with LO.
Who knows? just dont report it to blizzard and have fun :3
Or it could be related to the damage given out by rank 10 LB and the diference between it and rank 11, maybe it interferes with LO.
Who knows? just dont report it to blizzard and have fun :3
I'm up to +350 spell damage (+450 with WoA) and have by now run countless instances in Outland. I still have not encountered this aberration once. My LO's contantly and consistently hit for half damage whether they proc off of LB or CL unless they crit.
I don't really see how this could be different from character to character or server to server... Have you really checked your combat logs? Are you positive your LO's aren't critting when they hit for equal damage?
I don't really see how this could be different from character to character or server to server... Have you really checked your combat logs? Are you positive your LO's aren't critting when they hit for equal damage?
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i made sure, my rank 10 lightning bolts with i think it was 300 or
just under spell damage i would get my first lightning bolt to
hit for 760-800 but the LO would go off for roughly the same but
the minute i tried my rank 11 lightning bolt its LO damage was
fixed and it was hitting for around 450 and critting for 900ish
where before i was getting LO crits of 1500ish. chain lightning
has been working fine with LO aswell.
just under spell damage i would get my first lightning bolt to
hit for 760-800 but the LO would go off for roughly the same but
the minute i tried my rank 11 lightning bolt its LO damage was
fixed and it was hitting for around 450 and critting for 900ish
where before i was getting LO crits of 1500ish. chain lightning
has been working fine with LO aswell.
Synza wrote:
i made sure, my rank 10 lightning bolts with i think it was 300 or
just under spell damage i would get my first lightning bolt to
hit for 760-800 but the LO would go off for roughly the same but
the minute i tried my rank 11 lightning bolt its LO damage was
fixed and it was hitting for around 450 and critting for 900ish
where before i was getting LO crits of 1500ish. chain lightning
has been working fine with LO aswell.
just under spell damage i would get my first lightning bolt to
hit for 760-800 but the LO would go off for roughly the same but
the minute i tried my rank 11 lightning bolt its LO damage was
fixed and it was hitting for around 450 and critting for 900ish
where before i was getting LO crits of 1500ish. chain lightning
has been working fine with LO aswell.
I'm not asking for rough estimates or what you think you saw. I am asking you people, have you checked your combat logs? If you are trying to eyeball it from your normal damage numbers popping up on screen then I have no problem understanding what's going on. Often when you start slingling LB's and get a series of LO procs, it's hard to tell which hit is the LB and which is the LO.
At this point, from what I've seen, I'm going to need to see a screenshot of a combat log before I'll believe this is even happening.
Guadion: As stated before, and now that i have 250+ spell damage, my lightning overloads are hitting for the same as my lightning bolts. Moreso now, I have lightning overloads proccing lightning overloads, which i thought wasn't possible. I dont know how to clarify this for you in any clearer english, the fact you keep questioning my integrity is really getting on my nerves. I report to report, not to troll and have you consistantly tell me if im sure to the point of you seemingly calling me, and other people on this particular forum post, liars.
I know what i have seen, in the combat logs, and when a mob is hit for a lightning bolt and loses 17% hp, and the lightning overload hits, heres a SHOCKER! (no pun intended) the lightning overload also takes 17%. I hope that carves into your thick skull of what i have experienced. If not, go do something else productive away from here. This message might be harsh, but your continued effort to question everyone in the forums for partaking their stories that relate to mine is near childish.
I know what i have seen, in the combat logs, and when a mob is hit for a lightning bolt and loses 17% hp, and the lightning overload hits, heres a SHOCKER! (no pun intended) the lightning overload also takes 17%. I hope that carves into your thick skull of what i have experienced. If not, go do something else productive away from here. This message might be harsh, but your continued effort to question everyone in the forums for partaking their stories that relate to mine is near childish.
Dimion wrote:
Guadion: As stated before, and now that i have 250+ spell damage, my lightning overloads are hitting for the same as my lightning bolts. Moreso now, I have lightning overloads proccing lightning overloads, which i thought wasn't possible. I dont know how to clarify this for you in any clearer english, the fact you keep questioning my integrity is really getting on my nerves. I report to report, not to troll and have you consistantly tell me if im sure to the point of you seemingly calling me, and other people on this particular forum post, liars.
I know what i have seen, in the combat logs, and when a mob is hit for a lightning bolt and loses 17% hp, and the lightning overload hits, heres a SHOCKER! (no pun intended) the lightning overload also takes 17%. I hope that carves into your thick skull of what i have experienced. If not, go do something else productive away from here. This message might be harsh, but your continued effort to question everyone in the forums for partaking their stories that relate to mine is near childish.
I know what i have seen, in the combat logs, and when a mob is hit for a lightning bolt and loses 17% hp, and the lightning overload hits, heres a SHOCKER! (no pun intended) the lightning overload also takes 17%. I hope that carves into your thick skull of what i have experienced. If not, go do something else productive away from here. This message might be harsh, but your continued effort to question everyone in the forums for partaking their stories that relate to mine is near childish.
Just provide a screenshot of your combat log to support your claims.
I will try to screenshot my combat log & post them here too if I can remember to.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 5:29am by Lecanthi
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ohh sorry when i get on tonight ill try i havent used my rank
10lightning bolt since i got my rank 11 so i dont know if its
still causing this problem but ill try it and if its still
causing it ill screenshot my combat log for u
10lightning bolt since i got my rank 11 so i dont know if its
still causing this problem but ill try it and if its still
causing it ill screenshot my combat log for u
Lecanthi wrote:
Just provide a screenshot of your combat log to support your claims.
I will try to screenshot my combat log & post them here too if I can remember to.
I will try to screenshot my combat log & post them here too if I can remember to.
That's all I'm saying.
It's not my intention to call everyone else in this thread a liar. I'm just saying, I have been watching for this and studying Lightning Overload for five levels, from 65-70, and I have not seen this happen once, neither in normal on-screen numbers, nor, more importantly, in my combat log which accurately records the numbers. My LB's, CL's, and LO's all hit and crit for their correct amounts 100% of the time.
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. And the way I see it, there are two possible explanations:
1. Those of you experiencing this "bug" are not actually experiencing anything at all, you're just misinterpreting the feedback the game is giving you. Or...
2. The game is functioning differently from server to server, and a bug that absolutely, positivively does not exist on my server exists on other people's servers.
It is my not-so-expert opinion that #1 is far more likely to be true than #2. So before this goes any further, I would just like to see some hard evidence that this is even occurring in the first place. Is that too much to ask?
well i ask this: In your combat logs are your overloads stated as overloads or lightning bolts / chain lightnings?
my overloads are stated in the combat log as lightning bolts, which makes it hard to interpret, although not impossible, as to which ones are the lightning and which are the overloads. However, when both are doing the same damage, it doesnt seem to matter at all. I'll try to get a screenshot, but its hard to get a good shot proving my statement without it being put up to interpretation.
my overloads are stated in the combat log as lightning bolts, which makes it hard to interpret, although not impossible, as to which ones are the lightning and which are the overloads. However, when both are doing the same damage, it doesnt seem to matter at all. I'll try to get a screenshot, but its hard to get a good shot proving my statement without it being put up to interpretation.
ok, i have your pictures, and it hink i have made another discovery upon testing
with more spell power, my lightning bolts are getting ahead of my overloads, and only by a small margin, i think this is because the bolt will get 71% of spell damage, and the overload being instant cast, is getting the 49% or whatever the instant cast benefit is.
anyways, here is me naked and geared casting LB, i hope this works and isnt too small
Naked
287Damage+Healing
i hope this helps, rank 10 LB, and if you need other angles or proof let me know
you can also enlarge the pictures as need be
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 7:23pm by Dimion
Edited, Dec 19th 2007 6:38am by Dimion
with more spell power, my lightning bolts are getting ahead of my overloads, and only by a small margin, i think this is because the bolt will get 71% of spell damage, and the overload being instant cast, is getting the 49% or whatever the instant cast benefit is.
anyways, here is me naked and geared casting LB, i hope this works and isnt too small
Naked
287Damage+Healing
i hope this helps, rank 10 LB, and if you need other angles or proof let me know
you can also enlarge the pictures as need be
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 7:23pm by Dimion
Edited, Dec 19th 2007 6:38am by Dimion
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