Spider PetsFollow

It's been quite a while since Spiders were discussed last. The general consensus is that Blizzard has for some reason completely forgot about them after they made them tameable. All of your ideas has also been discussed, and mostly been considered a good idea.

There's pros and cons to the web spit ability, but I for one would love to see a pet who has both a speed enhancement (jump) and a poison attack. Web spit would have an interesting impact on PvP, but could be seen as somewhat overpowered.

If Spiders actually do get a new library of spells to enjoy, I'd tame another one less than a minute after the patch with those were released. Released Deathskitter after I just tamed it for the hell of it. Didn't actually want a Spider pet exactly because of the lack of skills. If it had some skills, it would have been ranked just below my Humar for use.

BAD! i believe it is cat/ravager/boar/scorpid.

oo, and add turtle for those hunters that dont have a guild.

I'm not unhappy that spiders make such inferior pets.... especially the azurmist spiders. Those are horrible.

I just saw Deathskitter last night on my hunter and fantasized about taming him and having sweet spider skills (say that 10 times fast). Then I came back to reality and kept using my ravager that has Bite, Gore, and Dash.

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I would love to see the less used animals out there get some balancing abilities to bring them up to the level of the most commonly used pets. I would love to have a hyena pet, but they just aren't as useful as a cat. I especially like this skin.

I think AsuraConvict hit it on the head that each class of animal should have a minimum of three abilities. Diversity is the spice of life :D.

Given... I think I would still love my piggy even if I had a multitude of other options >.>. :D

Edited, Nov 28th 2007 10:23am by Pixistix

Dont forget birds. Yeah they get screech, but they dont get a skill specific to the bird. Bats, owls, and carrion birds ALL get screech. And sporebats can learn cower!



I'll change that...
1) A family ability (i.e. prowl, charge, shell shield)
*Note that gore is NOT a family ability, as boars and ravagers can learn it
2) A focus dump (i.e. claw, gore, lightning breath)
3) A personal buff (Dive, Dash, Charge, Shell Shield)
4) A higher quality non-buff ability (i.e. bite, lightning breath, thunderstomp)...i.e. something either with a CD and/or with a high focus cost to offset its effectiveness (if it's a high focus cost it can count as a focus dump, even if it's on a 10 second CD). Maybe gore could count, since it's superior to claw. This would be to give either some edge or some burstability to the class.

Note again that some of these could overlap, or there could be multiple ones. I personally do not want to see turtles getting a speed boost, because that would not make sense. However, they get shell shield, which is a *buff*. Wolves get the buff and bite, and in a sense that is a focus dump, because the 2 require quite a bit of focus to use together (all they'd need to do to wolves is give higher ranks of FH). And an ability such as prowl could count as a buff, even though cats can do both prowl and dash.

Thus far, the only animals I can think of that qualify with all of the above 4 are:
-Cats (Prowl, Claw, Dash/Prowl, Bite)
-Wind Serpents (Lightning Breath, Lightning Breath, Dive, Lightning Breath/Bite)
-Wolves (Furious Howl, FH+Bite, Dash, FH/Bite)
-Boars (Charge, Gore, Dash/Charge, Bite)
-Warp Stalker (Warp, Claw, Warp, Bite)

If you count screech and gore as a family class, since they are fairly limited, this raises up to include:
-Bat (Screech, Screech, Dive, Bite)
-Carrion Bird (Screech, Screech/Claw, Dive, Bite)
-Ravager (Gore, Gore, Dash, Bite/Gore)

I'm not going to include owls, because they dont really have a high-power ability besides screech. But yes, that's the list of animals I feel have a full range of abilities making them useful non-situationally. Of course, I'll never give up my bat except maybe for a dragonhawk, unless I start raiding seriously.

give spiders the ability to fear . . . maybe it would only work on gnomes. but a fear non the less. 8)

Edited, Nov 28th 2007 11:58am by RuenBahamut

I saw a Troll hunter with a big green mohawk, a big green spider pet (the glow in the dark radioactive lookin green) - and a matching little green pet spider. They looked cool.

My lvl 39 Draenei Hunter has a lovely grey tarantula as her main pet. He does pretty decent damage and since he doesn't have as many offensive skills to use talent points on, I can use them on defense and resists. I love sitting back and siccing the beast on unsuspecting enemy players in PvP. Almost as good as fear in some circumstances--watching people run or jump off ledges to get away from him--AND he's very hard to kill with his added stamina and armor or CC with his added resists. :)

I loves my spider.

But my oh my, if they DID give him better skills... Woot.

I want an armored war puma as a pet.

Uh...for one there are several pets which either do the same or more damage than a spider, even tooltip:
Bats, Owls, and Wind Serpents all have the same tooltip, and Cats, Raptors, and Ravagers all have more. Not to mention that a pet with BD and/or GFtT with claw or gore will utterly destroy a spider's DPS, even if they're sitting at -10% damage (i.e. how scorpids used to be the DPS kings even though they're -6% damage dealt, because their abilities made them higher. note that this is now nerfed). So while yes he may do fairly good damage, there are other pets that can do more.

As to the second piece, on him not having all that many offensive skills...you know what? I can give a ravager bite and growl and leave it at that. Just pick up the health, armor, and resistances (btw pets cant raise their defense...bit of a semantics issue). So the fact that the spider doesn't have any doesn't give you more to spend on defense, it just means you have LESS options because you CANT spend them on offense. But I'd like to see a spider in PvP right now do more than a ravager, or really any pet that can learn one of the following:
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1. Claw
2. Scorpid Poison
3. Poison Spit
4. Dive
5. Dash
6. Warp
7. Gore
8. Lightning Breath
9. Screech

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In PvP your pet wont be targetted at all so you wont see much good in health and armor (and you only really need shadow and frost resistances...maybe nature or arcane since your pet may get CC'd). In raids, your pet wont need much either, maybe health and a few resistances, but other than that raids want your pet to do damage, not tank. Granted you're not at that level yet...but you're missing out on a lot of things other pets have to offer:

1. Any pet with dive, dash, or charge will lessen the time between fights. A small amount per fight adds up to a considerable amount over the tens or hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of fights you'll do to level to 70.
2. Any pet which can do higher DPS will end up lessening the time per fight, and then lessen down time. If your pet is dying because you dont have the highest rank of greater stamina and natural armor, you may be playing wrong or fighting enemies that are too hard for you atm.
3. Pets with special abilities, such as screech for AoE aggro, thunderstomp for AoE every once in a while, poison to keep people from bandaging/stealthing, or a ranged attack may bring situational effects which the spider cannot

In a perfect world, yes a spider would be as good as a ravager or a bat, but as bad as a sporebat. Some may be better for solo, some for groups, some for raids, some for BG's, some for arenas...but overall they'd all have something to bring to different aspects of the game.
But alas, it's not that way. We have birds, which are okay in raids and PvP, but great in solo; boars, which are okay in raids and solo, and great in PvP; and ravagers, which are okay in solo and PvP, but great in raids. Others bring some stuff, but overall those are the kings. (If your pet wasn't mentioned, I'm not sorry...I merely picked the ones I believed to be the elitists friend in the given situation. Also note that by "okay" I may mean really good...just not the top-of-the-line).

I tamed skitterfang at level 65 after using my owl since level 10, Orc hunter and wanted something different from everyone else.
The owl was(is) great and is still in the stable, but I was getting tired of it blocking my vision in confined spaces and lots of complaints from people when running instances about it blocking their vision as well.
Anyways, Boris the spider is great, I get lots of comments on him, but he does lack skills. Some kinda poison, or a web trap or something would be quite nice.



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