I'm still pretty new to wow and need some advice from veteran Pallys, particularly tankadins. I am in a guild with a number of friends. The friends all have level 70 alts and I am the tank as we are leveling their alts. They feel Devotion Aura would be very valuable to the group but I am a fan of Retribution Aura. Does +spell damage affect Retribution Aura? And how does Retribution Aura affect my threat generation? Does it increase my threat and is it worthwhile specing in the retribution tree to enhance my retribution aura cause I see a number off places I want to put points and that includes not putting five points into Devotion aura.
The main person I am debating this with is really experienced and seems to know what he is doing as a whole. In particular, he has done a lot of raiding with his main and is trying to make us a better group. I just think that I can help more by generating threat and holding aggro than by increasing everyone else's armor. I would rather keep the dpsers from getting attacked than help them mitigate damage after they get hit.
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They feel Devotion Aura would be very valuable to the group
You are the tank, you take the damage. They dont need armor. Once you passed 12k armor the amount that the devotion aura adds is minimal. I recommend using devotion for boss fights only. Dont bother specing the improved version, if you want more armor put the 5 points in toughness for more effect.
Ret aura does benefit from spelldamage but from an amount so small that its neglectible. As it is holy damage however it does generate a nice extra bit of threat with Righteous fury, especially when you have a lot of mobs on you. To spec the improved version you have to spend 17 points in Retribution. As protection paladin you dont have that many points available as you need a lot in the protection tree (nothing wrong with that, lots of sweet talents in prot).
The best use I found is to just pull the entire group on you with blessing of sanctuary, holy shield, ret aura and a nice shield spike. Get thorns when available. Pull all the mobs together and hit consecration. I always tell the dps to wait till they see the first consecration, by that time avenger shield + blocks + weapondamage build so much threat that they can go nuts. After the first mob is down they can AoE as much as they want. In the time the first mob went down consecration + block + ret aura build so much threat on the other mobs that they wont pull it off you. If somebody manages to pull aggro however just taunt the mobs back in your consecration field and bash it a few times extra with your weapon.
An extra bonus of ret aura & consecration spam is that you do a really nice amount of dps which the team will love.
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I agree, ret aura for trash and dev for bosses. Ret aura does not get any coefficient from spell damage. Once you hit uncrushable I suggest dev aura all the time because ret aura loses it's effectiveness as you don't get hit with normal blows anymore. The improved version is not worth the points even for ret pally for the most part.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 9:45am by Borrgar
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 9:45am by Borrgar
Borrgar wrote:
I agree, ret aura for trash and dev for bosses. Ret aura does not get any coefficient from spell damage. Once you hit uncrushable I suggest dev aura all the time because ret aura loses it's effectiveness as you don't get hit with normal blows anymore. The improved version is not worth the points even for ret pally for the most part.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 9:45am by Borrgar
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 9:45am by Borrgar
Even after uncrushable Ret Aura still shines over Devo. It still deals damage on a block which should happen most of the time. I agree though on bosses and harder hitting mobs put up Devo. Generally speaking those hard hitting mobs won't be hitting very frequently so the added damage/threat from Ret Aura will not be much of a help, while easing the burden of your healer, even a little bit, will be a good help (thinking of mobs like the Bog Lords in Heroic SV/Underbog, Felguards in Heroic BF, etc..).
As for Improving Ret Aura: pass. You'll need to take too many points out of the Prot tree as a tank to invest in Imp Ret Aura, and as Ret you'll be running Sanctity anyway.
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Yes it does proc on blocks but my point is there are so many more dodges, parries and misses it loses it effectiveness. It doesn't shine in my situation because I have no need for extra threat and when I am taking pretty big hits that little albeit small amount of armour works for me.
Ret will get even worse when I pick up the s1 mace tonight. I'll be 260 spell power and uncrushable. 7 More badges and Ill get the chest piece which will add another what 30 spell damage putting me at 290.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 10:10am by Borrgar
Ret will get even worse when I pick up the s1 mace tonight. I'll be 260 spell power and uncrushable. 7 More badges and Ill get the chest piece which will add another what 30 spell damage putting me at 290.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 10:10am by Borrgar
So many more? The Armory is off at the moment so I can't look up exact stats, but I know for my Paly, a good chunk of attacks are blocks as opposed to any other. imo if you need Devo on normal trash you either need better gear (which if you're uncrushable shouldn't be the case) or you better find a better healer. Particularly as the DPS you run with hit harder and harder any extra threat you can pick up will be far superior to an extra 861 armor.
EDIT: as a general rule you should focus on block rating the most after reaching 490 Defense, thus ensuring effective use of Holy Shield, BoS, Ret Aura. Avoiding damage is great, but you still need to block a lot to generate that threat.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 8:20am by Maulgak
EDIT: as a general rule you should focus on block rating the most after reaching 490 Defense, thus ensuring effective use of Holy Shield, BoS, Ret Aura. Avoiding damage is great, but you still need to block a lot to generate that threat.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 8:20am by Maulgak
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I just mean that as you gear you get hit less, of course there are still lots of blocks. It's situational no doubt and can be argued either way. While aoe tanking lots of mobs, ret aura. I'm not saying you are wrong, I think it is easy to argue either way. I prefer dev aura 99% of the time these days. I used to use ret aura all the time except for bosses. But in kara and heroics I want the armour. I may still use ret aura if I had threat issues but I don't. My stats are close to the following but I don't know exactly. I also have different pieces that I may have logged out in.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 9:28am by Borrgar
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 9:28am by Borrgar
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