Recently i got the second piece of the t5-set and comming from, affliction over to destruction i thought it might be about time to test the demo-raidspecc.
I will try to write up a few answers to questions, which might have been obvious, but which weren´t to me.
To begin with am lucky enough to always have a shadowpriest in my group which will heal the demon as well with vampiric embrace. I do not have the Voidstar Talisman! Feel free to have a look at my gear and my specc. You can find the link in my signature.
There is a great guide about raiding with the Felguard over on the Warlock Den Forums. I will not cover any Boss strategies, because they have been covered already by Nyarlathotep over on the Warlocks Den in great detail. You should really read it if you considder raiding with the felguard.
All the macros i use are:
/script PetDismiss()
/petattack
/petfollow
the latter macros are obvious, but the macro used to dismiss your pet can come in really handy at times where your pet recieves massive amounts of dmg and you want to resummon it quickly with the talent "Master Summoner", because if you are quick enough to dismiss it all the buffs will still be there, once you resummon it.
In some Instances the Felguard has severe pathfinding issues, which can cause him to pull mob groups accidentially. This happens often on bridges and little cliffs. In the Instance "The Underbog" this can happen alot, also on the long bridge in the Serpentshrine Cavern leading towards Hydross the Unstable.
Be careful of sending your demon after tab-targeting mobs, because sometimes you will have selected a target which is nowhere near you, were you spells would just give you an out of range/out of sight error, the demon will try to find a way^^
Before Lady Vashj make sure that you first summon your Felguard, once you are on the bottom of the stair cause if you summon him before he will not be able to find a path down to you.
For those of you who might wonder if demo-specc does actually do some damage because you are missing key talents such as Devastation, Ruin, Shadow & Flame and Backlash,
which will empower your Spells quiet a bit, the answer ist Y E S, you will.
Your Spelldamage will get a big boost with Talents such as Master Demonologist, Soul Link, Demonic Knowledge and Demonic Tactics.
I get raidbuffed to a staggering 1471 +shadowdamage, now imagine having a shaman in group.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6624/wowscrnshot112707181551tf7.jpg
My cast rotation is:
Immolate
Corruption
Sp Spam until Immolate runs out
refresh Immolate
SB
refresh Corruption
SB Spam
rince and repeat
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I did not want this to actually become a guide, since Nyarlathotep covered almost everything in his already and most credit has to go to him. I will though try to write up what i did on encounters and Instances.
Here are some Screenshots, some of them i posted already the other day.
Hydross the Unstable:
The fight was pretty straight forward. Sent in Felguard and do your thing, make sure to get hi, off Hydross when he is being pulled over the line, even thogh Nyarlathotep claims you can leave him on Hydross during aggro reset, i managed to get my Felguard killed in the first attempt. As soon as the tank has aggro again set him on hydross again. Make sure you have cleave turned on to maximize dmg, especially during the add-phase.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7349...3731va1.jpg
The Lurker from Below:
Had the felguard on the inner ring all of the fight and he had no problems during the aoe-phase at any point. Watch the Serptent-Warriors spawning on the inner circle during the add-phae !!epsecially whatch your cleave and THEIR cleave, some tactics (as does ours) involves at leas keeping one sheep on the inner circle even during the boss-phase!!!. Do not have him stand on any of the small islands, you will run into pathfinding issues. Make sure to set the felguard back on the Lurker once he respawns...i forgot twice...
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/376...1738nj9.jpg
Morogrimm Tidewalker:
Make sure your Felguard stays behind Tidewalker so he won´t suffer from the debuff (not sure he can get it though). Otherwise have cleave on and don´r forget to SoC the adds.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/765...4729vt8.jpg
Leotheras the Blind:
Unfortunatly i am the one who tanks Leotheras during Demon-phase so i can´t really how the fight goes with felguard, but i guess make him slap Leotheras and as soon as he starts hie Whirl Wind attack, get the felgaurd out as soon and fast as possible. Make sure to get him back on Leothreas even in Demon-phase, but only if Leos explosion-attacks are far away from Leotheras.
i know you ladies and gents love pics so here ya go. remember i was tanking him differently specced and geared.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/198...2647pj9.jpg
High Astromancer Solarian:
Pretty straightfoward fight was well. Keep felguard on Solarian until add-phase than SoC and send Felguard on the priests after SoC-phase damge the priests down and go for Solarian again. Make sure to take a hike once you got the debuff.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/256...3244hs8.jpg
Voidreaver:
Pretty straightforward, set the guard on cleavemode and watch the arcane-orbs yourself (i didn´t this time). Try to get a shadowpriest into your group than your t5 and his ve-heal will be more than enough to keep the guard standing close to Voidreaver, even during hammer-phase. I had sever aggro issues in this fight up to a point where i couldn´t do anything for over a minute. (i blame it on the tanks)
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/787...5946ph7.jpg
Maghteridon:
Make sure your felguard will not die during add-phase(you will probably be on CoT, fear and banish-duty). If you cannot make sure than let it get all buffs before the pull dismiss it and than resummon it as soon as all adds are dead. send it in for the kill, make sure that you nor the guard get infront of magtheridon or he´ll cleave you away.
No Screenshot, yet.
More Bosses to follow.
Edited, Nov 30th 2007 4:44am by Oakenwrath
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Felguard was just fine and dandy in 5-mans. And yeah, since I respecced to Aff, my DPS has dropped dramatically. Still learning the spec, you see.
With FG, I ws always top 2.
He really DOES struggle with paths though, and you have to keep a real close eye on him.
I tended not to run distances with him, but pull him out as a group was being maked, then dismiss. Easy enough to pick up Soul Shards on the way to make up for it.
With FG, I ws always top 2.
He really DOES struggle with paths though, and you have to keep a real close eye on him.
I tended not to run distances with him, but pull him out as a group was being maked, then dismiss. Easy enough to pick up Soul Shards on the way to make up for it.
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Your Spelldamage will get a big boost with Talents such as Master Demonologist, Soul Link, Demonic Knowledge and Demonic Tactics.
I went from easily selfbuffed 1200 shadow damage with felguard to hardly 1000 now when I am trying to play "lock without the pet".
As you all know I am not raiding but I ran around with felguard for very long time. I didnt use macros for him, I had all his abilities hotkeyed for manual use.
I respecced mainly to try something new and because I was bored with seeing every lock above 50 running around with poorly controlled felguard on my server.
I am bored with WoW in general actually..... but I would like to be kept informed whats going on so give us some more from your experience when you feel like it eh? :)
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yes your spelldmg suffers alot but for example my shadowbolts comminf from destruction used to crit at around 7-7,5k now they only crit for around 4,5-5k at max.
i think actually all three builds are pretty similar in dmg where some specc sometimes has the edge over the other in certain encounters.
Edited, Nov 30th 2007 3:09am by Oakenwrath
i think actually all three builds are pretty similar in dmg where some specc sometimes has the edge over the other in certain encounters.
Edited, Nov 30th 2007 3:09am by Oakenwrath
well all this has really got my interest SO i want to try it :) anyone got a build they use? since i pvp to this should work out really good for me :)
Thank You
Thank You
have a look at my profile in my signature there you can find my talentbuild as well
Demonology is a very underrated spec, because so many people give the fel guard a bad rap. The core talents to any warlock raider are Improved Shadow Bolt and Bane, and with them, there's very little difference between the damage of Affliction and Demonology.
Both builds have their issues, as Affliction needs to maintain a good DoT rotation, and Demonology requires the fel guard to stay alive. The other benefit of Demonology is that it doesn't suffer from the scaling issues that Affliction does as the warlock progresses through the raid content. If played correctly, a fel guard build can equal or even surpass SnF. It does, however, require some work.
You really want 2 pieces of the Corruptor Rainment for the set bonus, and Void Star Talisman. Those 3 items alone will boost your fel guard's survivability, and when combined with a shadow priest for Vampiric Embrace, he's not easy to kill.
In general, you should turn off Cleave, Anguish, and Intercept for trash mobs, and turn Cleave back on for boss fights. The warlock himself should cast Curse of Shadow and Shadow Bolt on trash mobs. On boss, Immolate, Corruption, and Curse of Doom, then a combination of Shadow Bolts, Health Funnel, and Drain Life should help both the warlock and the fel guard keep their mana up.
The most common fel guard build that people use for raiding is 6/44/11, but you can move the 1 point from Improved Life Tap to Mana Feed if you're experiencing issues with mana. http://www.example.com/.
Both builds have their issues, as Affliction needs to maintain a good DoT rotation, and Demonology requires the fel guard to stay alive. The other benefit of Demonology is that it doesn't suffer from the scaling issues that Affliction does as the warlock progresses through the raid content. If played correctly, a fel guard build can equal or even surpass SnF. It does, however, require some work.
You really want 2 pieces of the Corruptor Rainment for the set bonus, and Void Star Talisman. Those 3 items alone will boost your fel guard's survivability, and when combined with a shadow priest for Vampiric Embrace, he's not easy to kill.
In general, you should turn off Cleave, Anguish, and Intercept for trash mobs, and turn Cleave back on for boss fights. The warlock himself should cast Curse of Shadow and Shadow Bolt on trash mobs. On boss, Immolate, Corruption, and Curse of Doom, then a combination of Shadow Bolts, Health Funnel, and Drain Life should help both the warlock and the fel guard keep their mana up.
The most common fel guard build that people use for raiding is 6/44/11, but you can move the 1 point from Improved Life Tap to Mana Feed if you're experiencing issues with mana. http://www.example.com/.
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well all this has really got my interest SO i want to try it :) anyone got a build they use? since i pvp to this should work out really good for me :)
One thing to keep in mind for PvP with Demonology is that the fel guard is "just another pet", not "the pet". He's very useful against rogues and warriors, but the fel hunter still remains the best pet for a warlock to use.
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This may be a bit OT but what action bar add-on and buff bars are you using? They're sexy!
buffalo2 and bongos2
Yeah, those bars are nice. Wonder if I can get em to work in Ace2...
Nice post Oakenwrath, it's fun to heard something different. It's even more interesting for me since I'm FelG specced right now and I'll start raiding Kara in the next few days. I thought about respeccing to Afflic before raiding since it seems to be the norm but maybe not after all.
Just like many of us I've been both Afflic and Demo and I definitely don't feel less effective in a group as a Demo lock. As stated the key is to control your minion. It definitely requires some skill to do so because you need to keep high DPS, so a good spell rotation and SB, and your minion alive.
As for the FelG abilities there are no doubt that Cleave and Anguish should be turned off but what about Intercept? As long as I let the tank hit first it should be fine, no? Am I wrong on this?
Just like many of us I've been both Afflic and Demo and I definitely don't feel less effective in a group as a Demo lock. As stated the key is to control your minion. It definitely requires some skill to do so because you need to keep high DPS, so a good spell rotation and SB, and your minion alive.
As for the FelG abilities there are no doubt that Cleave and Anguish should be turned off but what about Intercept? As long as I let the tank hit first it should be fine, no? Am I wrong on this?
Intercept should be turned off. Also, the fel guard should be left on passive. It's key, as a demo warlock, to have as much control over the fel guard as is possible to help conserve his mana. Additionally, intercept can be used to give someone a few seconds if a healer manages to pull aggro off the main tank.
Anguish should always be turned off.
Our tank is good enough to handle Intercept, if you don´t trust in your tank to do as well, then it´s best to disable it.
About cleave, well it can be turned on if there is no CC´ed trash near you.
Once agaian !!!B E W A R E!!! as of patch 2.3 your pet will always try to get behind it´s target, easily pulling other groups!
As far as Karazhan goes, i am not quiet sure if demonology is the best way to go, i do not your your current equipment status, but in order to make the felguard stay on trash/bosses who aoe 2 pieces of the Coruptors Rainment will work like a charm, since it will heal your pet for 15% of the damage you inflict. Another thing would be that your +spellhit mit not be as developed and you losing alot of DPS due to Bosses having a basic 16% to resist your spells.
Going affliction you can/have to put points in the talent called Surpression.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 11:01am by Oakenwrath
Our tank is good enough to handle Intercept, if you don´t trust in your tank to do as well, then it´s best to disable it.
About cleave, well it can be turned on if there is no CC´ed trash near you.
Once agaian !!!B E W A R E!!! as of patch 2.3 your pet will always try to get behind it´s target, easily pulling other groups!
As far as Karazhan goes, i am not quiet sure if demonology is the best way to go, i do not your your current equipment status, but in order to make the felguard stay on trash/bosses who aoe 2 pieces of the Coruptors Rainment will work like a charm, since it will heal your pet for 15% of the damage you inflict. Another thing would be that your +spellhit mit not be as developed and you losing alot of DPS due to Bosses having a basic 16% to resist your spells.
Going affliction you can/have to put points in the talent called Surpression.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 11:01am by Oakenwrath
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As far as Karazhan goes, i am not quiet sure if demonology is the best way to go, i do not your your current equipment status, but in order to make the felguard stay on trash/bosses who aoe 2 pieces of the Coruptors Rainment will work like a charm, since it will heal your pet for 15% of the damage you inflict.
Demonology works in Karazhan. The Corruptor Rainment helps, but you don't need it. Keep up with the Health Funnels and try to group with a Shadow Priest.
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Another thing would be that your +spellhit mit not be as developed and you losing alot of DPS due to Bosses having a basic 16% to resist your spells.
Going affliction you can/have to put points in the talent called Surpression.
Going affliction you can/have to put points in the talent called Surpression.
No raiding warlock should put points into Suppression, as it's a waste. It might help with the DoT spells, but not with Shadow Bolt, which is our key raiding skill.
So how does the new-to-raiding-warlock get towards the hit-cap which is for at leas up to 130+ hit the best way of improving your damage and as afflcition lock your DoTs are the bread and butter and the Shadowbolt is the filler (a pretty damn good one) to fill in the gap where you have to refresh your slots.
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So how does the new-to-raiding-warlock get towards the hit-cap which is for at leas up to 130+ hit the best way of improving your damage and as afflcition lock your DoTs are the bread and butter and the Shadowbolt is the filler (a pretty damn good one) to fill in the gap where you have to refresh your slots.
First and foremost, regardless of your spec, your bread and butter spell is Shadow Bolt. Even as Affliction, it will be somewhere around 35-40% of your raid damage, which is fairly significant considering that it is one spell. To answer your question, gear up for it, with gear from 5 mans, professions, and reputation rewards. Affliction can get away with only about 60-70 spell hit rating for Kara.
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First and foremost, regardless of your spec, your bread and butter spell is Shadow Bolt. Even as Affliction, it will be somewhere around 35-40% of your raid damage, which is fairly significant considering that it is one spell. To answer your question, gear up for it, with gear from 5 mans, professions, and reputation rewards. Affliction can get away with only about 60-70 spell hit rating for Kara.
where 60-65% is still DoTs and you want them to land.
Often people don´t "gear up for kara" so putting 3 points into surpression is no waste.
No, Suppression is still a waste. Consider the number of times a warlock will cast his or her full DoT rotation in comparison to the number of times he or she will cast a Shadow Bolt. On trash, it's Curse of Shadow, maybe Corruption and/or Siphon Life, and then bolt. Only on bosses will they cast all 4 DoT spells (yes, a warlock should be casting Immolate as Affliction) and Curse of Doom.
Suppression only affects Affliction spells, and a warlock makes use of spells from both Destruction and Affliction. Those 2-3 points are better spent elsewhere.
Suppression only affects Affliction spells, and a warlock makes use of spells from both Destruction and Affliction. Those 2-3 points are better spent elsewhere.
please don´t treat me like i didn´t know the castsequence of an affliction warlock.
Speaking of Affliction. I am discovering I hate it. I want my FG back :(
My damage has dropped off the chart, my Drain Life sucks, even my SBs are hitting for less than 1000.
WTF am I doing WRONG?!
Sorry. OT and I wanted a rant.
As you were.
My damage has dropped off the chart, my Drain Life sucks, even my SBs are hitting for less than 1000.
WTF am I doing WRONG?!
Sorry. OT and I wanted a rant.
As you were.
What very much annoys me on this forum is those little up&down arrows - I never ever rated anyone down no matter how many times I fought or disagreed with someone here, no matter what names they called me or told me to l2p noob.
Imo, rating someone down for some misunderstanding or taken offense is just lame.
Oak tried to contribute something here, share with us what he had been experiencing in game. If he doesnt share someones views about whatever talent or is maybe reacting bit oversensitive about comments, is that really a reason to kick him below the waist and push that handy little arrow down?
Just lame.
Now rate me down all you want.
Imo, rating someone down for some misunderstanding or taken offense is just lame.
Oak tried to contribute something here, share with us what he had been experiencing in game. If he doesnt share someones views about whatever talent or is maybe reacting bit oversensitive about comments, is that really a reason to kick him below the waist and push that handy little arrow down?
Just lame.
Now rate me down all you want.
I think Supression is a filler that will eventually be replaced but it's not a waste if your below the cap. For me the +spell hit is an issue. Right now I have the Robe of Oblivion which is great but it's so hard to find +spell hit gems for the sockets. So I'll probably end up with the Robe of the Crimson Order with the +30 spell hit rating. I also have the Terrokar Table of Vim and I'll have the Scryer's Bloodgem too.
It makes a tremendous 84 +spell hit rating... So I'm way below the cap. Definitely I cast SB much more often than the dots but still Suppression can help with that part.
It makes a tremendous 84 +spell hit rating... So I'm way below the cap. Definitely I cast SB much more often than the dots but still Suppression can help with that part.
You think you're below? I have 20. A measly 20. :(
You're right about the gems too.
You're right about the gems too.
Sethy wrote:
What very much annoys me on this forum is those little up&down arrows - I never ever rated anyone down no matter how many times I fought or disagreed with someone here, no matter what names they called me or told me to l2p noob.
Imo, rating someone down for some misunderstanding or taken offense is just lame.
Oak tried to contribute something here, share with us what he had been experiencing in game. If he doesnt share someones views about whatever talent or is maybe reacting bit oversensitive about comments, is that really a reason to kick him below the waist and push that handy little arrow down?
Just lame.
Now rate me down all you want.
Imo, rating someone down for some misunderstanding or taken offense is just lame.
Oak tried to contribute something here, share with us what he had been experiencing in game. If he doesnt share someones views about whatever talent or is maybe reacting bit oversensitive about comments, is that really a reason to kick him below the waist and push that handy little arrow down?
Just lame.
Now rate me down all you want.
What? Who rated who where?
I never bother either.
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