I'm sure it's probably been covered, but doing the early raids as a holy pally what kind of stats should I be shootin for? I'm sportin +616healing, 87mp5, 7335mp. This is my first end game char and I wanna start gettin into the bigger stuff but I don't wanna let people down, so stat-wise am I ready?
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 6:17am by Tokijinn
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Tokijinn wrote:
I'm sure it's probably been covered, but doing the early raids as a holy pally what kind of stats should I be shootin for? I'm sportin +616healing, 87mp5, 7335mp. This is my first end game char and I wanna start gettin into the bigger stuff but I don't wanna let people down, so stat-wise am I ready?
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 6:17am by Tokijinn
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 6:17am by Tokijinn
first of all, there's a sticky called something like pre-kara holy gear or something. only 3 stickies so easy to find. i highly reccomend it.
secondly, those stats are honestly barely enough for most level 70 5mans. i really, really don't reccomend heroics. the sticky has some good gear to be going for, but a lot of it is heroics. i have abut 900 +healing, over 9k mana and um, unbuffed about 125 mp5 i think (going off memory, sorry). i have done one heroic, and i did ok, but with my stats i still had very little breathing room. kara requires more like 1k +healing, 10k mana and 25% spell crit from what i understand. the sticky has more info though. read it.
oh, and welcome to 70 healing :) i honestly am loving itn and i am only still working at getting ready for kara.
You really really have to do your fair share of normal dungeons. I can't emphasize it enough. Getting to revered status with the factions was a good target before 2.3 nerfed the requirements for heroic dungeons.
By getting the revered, you'll have run the dungeons enough that you should have gotten some decent equipment, like what's mentioned in the sticky, which is well worth reading.
Whether heroics come before Kara or vice versa is debatable. At least in kara, you're going to be one of three healers, not the only one.
By the way, that mp5 stat you've quoted seems very high compared to your healing stat. You should be looking for mana regeneration stat in combat and unbuffed to be at least 70.
Don't worry about your mana pool. Whatever you have when you get +1100 healing, +70mp5, +17.5% crit (22.5% holy crit) should be enough.
By getting the revered, you'll have run the dungeons enough that you should have gotten some decent equipment, like what's mentioned in the sticky, which is well worth reading.
Whether heroics come before Kara or vice versa is debatable. At least in kara, you're going to be one of three healers, not the only one.
By the way, that mp5 stat you've quoted seems very high compared to your healing stat. You should be looking for mana regeneration stat in combat and unbuffed to be at least 70.
Don't worry about your mana pool. Whatever you have when you get +1100 healing, +70mp5, +17.5% crit (22.5% holy crit) should be enough.
I'm not 70 yet for one, so I still have some growing room that I need to get through. I was asking about the gear because theres so many people i've run into the past few days that are running around in the molten gear raid sets and they make me envious.
I've read through the pre-kara sticky a few dozen times now trying to make sure I keep my eyes open for the right gear when I get to it, but the sticky says absolutely nothing about stats to try and shoot for...
I'm working now on my rep with the factions and finishing off my last two levels so I can start kickin it as a lvl70, I appreciate all the info everyone gives...
And I'm Tokijinn on Malygos if you wanna check my armory and tell me wether i posted my mp5 wrong, i may have mistaken what it meant >.>
I've read through the pre-kara sticky a few dozen times now trying to make sure I keep my eyes open for the right gear when I get to it, but the sticky says absolutely nothing about stats to try and shoot for...
I'm working now on my rep with the factions and finishing off my last two levels so I can start kickin it as a lvl70, I appreciate all the info everyone gives...
And I'm Tokijinn on Malygos if you wanna check my armory and tell me wether i posted my mp5 wrong, i may have mistaken what it meant >.>
lol, sorry it was 37, i had something on my screen that made the 3 look like an 8 >.>
wow i suck, pretend i never posted this thread >.<
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:15am by Tokijinn
wow i suck, pretend i never posted this thread >.<
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:15am by Tokijinn
Tokijinn wrote:
lol, sorry it was 37, i had something on my screen that made the 3 look like an 8 >.>
wow i suck, pretend i never posted this thread >.<
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:15am by Tokijinn
wow i suck, pretend i never posted this thread >.<
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:15am by Tokijinn
haha, don't say that. sucking has more to do with disregard for proper stats and spec completely. i'm posting these all from my cell phone, so i can't check your armory and see how your spec/gear really is. but if you're only 68 you have some breathing room anyway. much of the gear you're really gonna want is 70 hear anyway, so don't judge your heroic/raid readiness on your 68 setup. just get what you can from that gearlist as soon as possible and when you hit 70 you'll be well on your way. i never read these forums until after i was 70 so you'll be ahead of me i'm sure.
616 healing isn't bad at 68. theres some nice 70 peices that i'm sure will put you close to 1k with a little work. essence focuser is a nice BoE mace you can use at 70 if you're not exalted with the shatar. keep an eye out for it in the AH. it wasn't too much, at least on my server.
37 mp5 may be a little low. you'll want to grab a few mp5 peices to make up the diference. possibly a 10 mp5 ring would help. and i think essence focuser has 10 mp5 also. if you keep an eye out for healer peices, especially working towards the ones in the guide you should be good.
and i guess my welcome was premature... let me know when you ding 70 so i can give you grats :-D
I already picked up an essence focuser and the crystalpulse shield (i think thats its name >.< ) I'm working on my rep for the ring at thrallmar and a few others so i'll hit the ground running at 70
Tokijinn wrote:
I already picked up an essence focuser and the crystalpulse shield (i think thats its name >.< ) I'm working on my rep for the ring at thrallmar and a few others so i'll hit the ground running at 70
sounds like a good start then. good luck, and like i said, let me know when you hit 70.
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kara requires more like 1k +healing, 10k mana and 25% spell crit from what i understand.
Just to comment a bit on that:
-1k Healing is indeed what I would use as a requirement for the beginning. You can start with a bit less but you'll start struggling early. A bit more may be needed to get to Prince/Nightbane, but 1k is good to start.
-I've broken the 10k mana milestone just recently and I'm already sporting a good bunch of Kara epics. I would say 8-9k mana is a more realistic goal with pre-Kara gear.
-You have to remember your Holy talents when you consider your spell crit. While 25% Holy crit is nice, you may want to lower it a bit to avoid sacrificing too many other stats in the beginning. Itemization will take care of keeping it in the 20-25% range, with proper gems and enchants if need be.
-Wasn't mentioned but I'd say 60-75 Mp5 (while casting) is good to get started. Make sure to have a Shadow Priest in your group and that stat becomes almost unimportant. :P
Selverein wrote:
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kara requires more like 1k +healing, 10k mana and 25% spell crit from what i understand.
Just to comment a bit on that:
-1k Healing is indeed what I would use as a requirement for the beginning. You can start with a bit less but you'll start struggling early. A bit more may be needed to get to Prince/Nightbane, but 1k is good to start.
-I've broken the 10k mana milestone just recently and I'm already sporting a good bunch of Kara epics. I would say 8-9k mana is a more realistic goal with pre-Kara gear.
-You have to remember your Holy talents when you consider your spell crit. While 25% Holy crit is nice, you may want to lower it a bit to avoid sacrificing too many other stats in the beginning. Itemization will take care of keeping it in the 20-25% range, with proper gems and enchants if need be.
-Wasn't mentioned but I'd say 60-75 Mp5 (while casting) is good to get started. Make sure to have a Shadow Priest in your group and that stat becomes almost unimportant. :P
hmm, interesting. from what you're saying all i really need to work on is about 100 more +healing :) i can get that as soon as i find someone to do the 81 +healing enchant and maybe one other +healing upgrade. i'm pretty sure if i got that full set in the pre-kara sticky i'd be way ahead of what you're saying. i was pretty sure though that i read somewhere here that 25% holy crit was important.
so here i am trying to get more gear before trying kara, and you're telling me i just need a chant... haha.
It seems you're wearing a few SpellDmg/Heal items at the moment. Is that your SpellDmg set or you just never found any better?
If you're not against doing BG's, I'd suggest getting the Boots/Belt/Bracers as they are on-par with the stuff that drops in Kara. (Although Kara stuff is often more PvE-oriented)
Just remember you're not the only healer. You'll want to make sure to have 2 more healers, maybe one who can off-heal in emergencies, and ideally a Shadow Priest. It really, really helps. A Shammy's Mana Spring Totem is also pretty useful to cast non-stop.
25% crit is *nice* but I find 20-25% is acceptable. I have a hard time to keep it at 25% without gimping other stats as of now. My Mp5 has gone much higher since I've upgraded to some Kara epics so it kinda compensates for it a bit. I simply think that trying to reach 25% without Kara gear will end up gimping your other stats a bit.
Once you get raid gear, you don't have much choice anyway as there is only so many gear pieces you can choose from and they usually have equivalent stats. Enchants and gems can be customized toward spell crit but it's usually meant for caster DPS so it comes with SpellDmg rather than Healing.
If you're not against doing BG's, I'd suggest getting the Boots/Belt/Bracers as they are on-par with the stuff that drops in Kara. (Although Kara stuff is often more PvE-oriented)
Just remember you're not the only healer. You'll want to make sure to have 2 more healers, maybe one who can off-heal in emergencies, and ideally a Shadow Priest. It really, really helps. A Shammy's Mana Spring Totem is also pretty useful to cast non-stop.
25% crit is *nice* but I find 20-25% is acceptable. I have a hard time to keep it at 25% without gimping other stats as of now. My Mp5 has gone much higher since I've upgraded to some Kara epics so it kinda compensates for it a bit. I simply think that trying to reach 25% without Kara gear will end up gimping your other stats a bit.
Once you get raid gear, you don't have much choice anyway as there is only so many gear pieces you can choose from and they usually have equivalent stats. Enchants and gems can be customized toward spell crit but it's usually meant for caster DPS so it comes with SpellDmg rather than Healing.
Go read my sticky, it'll get you completely ready for kara. I spent some good time writing it and it'll make my feelings hurt if you don't at least read it :(
Honestly I'd say around 20% crit, as close to 1000 healing, and at least 80 mp5. Go for crit first, then mp5, then whatever you have left devote to healing. When I was gearing up I always viewed Maintaining crit > Enough mp5 > Adding healing.
Honestly I'd say around 20% crit, as close to 1000 healing, and at least 80 mp5. Go for crit first, then mp5, then whatever you have left devote to healing. When I was gearing up I always viewed Maintaining crit > Enough mp5 > Adding healing.
Selverein wrote:
It seems you're wearing a few SpellDmg/Heal items at the moment. Is that your SpellDmg set or you just never found any better?
well, since 2.3 i don't really need a spell damage set. unless i remember incorrectly what gear i logged in, it should be my healing gear. i just haven't found upgrades for a few of the spell damage peices. i'll keep working on it.
Selverein wrote:
If you're not against doing BG's, I'd suggest getting the Boots/Belt/Bracers as they are on-par with the stuff that drops in Kara. (Although Kara stuff is often more PvE-oriented)
bah, i know i should be ok in pvp with a holy pally, but as you might have noticed when you looked up my armory, i'm not a fan of pvp on him. i suppose i can try it enough to get those peices though.
Selverein wrote:
25% crit is *nice* but I find 20-25% is acceptable. I have a hard time to keep it at 25% without gimping other stats as of now. My Mp5 has gone much higher since I've upgraded to some Kara epics so it kinda compensates for it a bit. I simply think that trying to reach 25% without Kara gear will end up gimping your other stats a bit.
hmm, thats good news i think. my holy spell crit is around 20% i thnk. that was the stat i was having the hardest time boosting. so, i guess i'll try some bg's and get the boots, belt and bracers, and also get the 81 healing to 1h enchant and give kara a try :) actually, i'll prolly get my rep with sha'tar up and get the epic mace from sha'tar first. that should put me just over 1k +healing, 9k+ mana, 100+ mp5 and around 20%+ holy spell crit. and here i thought i was soo far from kara ready. should be able to do that by this weekend.
Dilbrt don't let us hurt your feelings =) i've read your sticky at least a dozen times =)
Since the Illum nerf crit isn't nearly as important as it once was but like Selverein said, in that 20-25% range is perfectly fine.
Get to the 1k +Healing mark and just make sure you are self buffing, INT, Healing pwr elixers and Golden Fishsticks, then you are good to go for the first half of Kara. And that half has some nice healing gear.
Also, if you PvP, grab the 3 Non Set Epics, Belt, Boots and the Bracers. The bracers are one of the best pieces you can get for healing.
Get to the 1k +Healing mark and just make sure you are self buffing, INT, Healing pwr elixers and Golden Fishsticks, then you are good to go for the first half of Kara. And that half has some nice healing gear.
Also, if you PvP, grab the 3 Non Set Epics, Belt, Boots and the Bracers. The bracers are one of the best pieces you can get for healing.
20-25% is overkill for starting kara. It's nice, but it's really not necessary. About 17% is a good place to start, with about 1100 healing and around 70mp5. Thatll keep your heals strong and be able to keep chugging them out.
Dilbrt wrote:
Go read my sticky, it'll get you completely ready for kara. I spent some good time writing it and it'll make my feelings hurt if you don't at least read it :(
Honestly I'd say around 20% crit, as close to 1000 healing, and at least 80 mp5. Go for crit first, then mp5, then whatever you have left devote to healing. When I was gearing up I always viewed Maintaining crit > Enough mp5 > Adding healing.
Honestly I'd say around 20% crit, as close to 1000 healing, and at least 80 mp5. Go for crit first, then mp5, then whatever you have left devote to healing. When I was gearing up I always viewed Maintaining crit > Enough mp5 > Adding healing.
haha, i have read it and recomended it in my first post in this thread... and like i said i was using it to find gear upgrades, but from what everyone is saying, stat-wise all i need is to get the sha'tar mace and 81 healing enchant and i'll be good to go. and i only have some of what you reccomend. it is a great help in finding upgrades though, so ty ty. :-D
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