Oakenwrath wrote:
i´d love to join your raid, i get raifbuffed to 29,15% crit
I think Loki resides on US server.
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I think Loki resides on US server.
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Raid buffed, pre-dev, counting Backlash I rock an 18.5% crit rate. This puts me just short of the 25% after Dev, but close enough to rock the DPS charts like nobodies business.
Awesome, I'll respec tonight and give it a shot.
Just did mag, lurker + hydross as 0/21/40, this spec owns, that is all =)
Never going affliction again for raids.
Never going affliction again for raids.
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Never going affliction again for raids.
you might have to for lady vashj.
Maybe one day.
Tomorrow I'm going to use Skullfish Soup instead of Blackened Basilisk as my food buff. I got a 20 stack on the AH for 14g, and with my lowish crit I think that will be a little better for me. Basically an extra ~1% crit, which pushes me damn close to 25% in raids with devestation and backlash.
Tomorrow I'm going to use Skullfish Soup instead of Blackened Basilisk as my food buff. I got a 20 stack on the AH for 14g, and with my lowish crit I think that will be a little better for me. Basically an extra ~1% crit, which pushes me damn close to 25% in raids with devestation and backlash.
yeah man even though i enjoy raiding with the felguard now and my overall damage is insane, there is no better thing than watching phat-crits flying around.
I might respecc to destro next week again to better to the add-phase of lady vashj. I´ll tell you how it went. If i remember correctly, when specced destro i have around 30% crit +171 hit and around 1260 spelldmg.
I might respecc to destro next week again to better to the add-phase of lady vashj. I´ll tell you how it went. If i remember correctly, when specced destro i have around 30% crit +171 hit and around 1260 spelldmg.
mikelolol wrote:
Maybe one day.
Tomorrow I'm going to use Skullfish Soup instead of Blackened Basilisk as my food buff. I got a 20 stack on the AH for 14g.
Tomorrow I'm going to use Skullfish Soup instead of Blackened Basilisk as my food buff. I got a 20 stack on the AH for 14g.
Isnt that bit cheap? I know I sell it for 20g flat and I never have to wait for a buyer.
But something else interests me? Do talents actually show on tooltip dps/crit/and so on?
I noticed no difference between my +spell damage when I have succubus sacced or out.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 4:58am by Sethy
remember sethy, every server's prices vary widely from all other servers
I know but it is quite new recipe and skullfish is bit pita to catch, I havent yet seen any pools so basically you have to sit and fish for hour or two to catch a stack.
dailies ftw. gold is no longer an issue for almost everybody. granted blizzard was stupid to do this, it completely screws over the ingame economy... 'tis screwed over enough as it is too :S
Yeah gold is easy to make.
I just bought my second epic flyer today for hunter, not counting all the crafted gear, enchants, gems, and other stuff I spend on. I use consumables like someone is giving them away for free too.
But doing dailies on 2 toons..... ugh.
I just bought my second epic flyer today for hunter, not counting all the crafted gear, enchants, gems, and other stuff I spend on. I use consumables like someone is giving them away for free too.
But doing dailies on 2 toons..... ugh.
i oddly enjoy them, the clicking one at ogri'la is fun and i've actually noticed my ability to remember the orders improve to the point that I can now do all 3 stages without writing them down while at the start i could barely make the 2nd :)
i enjoy all the 'bombing' type ones (ogri'la, netherwing, skethis) and the banishing demons one is fun 'cos of getting darkrunes. gotta love doing the shartuul event. one of my favourite things about the game :D I do the event for all my mates to 'cos they can't be bothered to learn the event and they know i can do it ^^
i enjoy all the 'bombing' type ones (ogri'la, netherwing, skethis) and the banishing demons one is fun 'cos of getting darkrunes. gotta love doing the shartuul event. one of my favourite things about the game :D I do the event for all my mates to 'cos they can't be bothered to learn the event and they know i can do it ^^
I don't do my dailys like I should. Gets too boring. I only have 4 open to me at this point. I hate those stupid birds in Skettis. They always manage to dismount me at least once. I tell ya, I could aggro a lvl 1 critter. LOL
I can now make my shadow cloth, so am farming for mats to make my FSW set...Go me. Ah well.
I can now make my shadow cloth, so am farming for mats to make my FSW set...Go me. Ah well.
Lady Delily wrote:
If you're 0/21/40, you do not need to cast Corruption in a boss fight.
Or Immolate.
But we've already been over this many, many times in many, many different threads.
Personal Experience. Go Test, be enlightened. Spend a few hours at Dr. Boom.
EDIT: you know, when I ask people to go test their damage, they never come back and give the results. Go to Dr. Boom. Use 3 separate rotations: 1 with SBs only, 1 with SBs and Corruption, and 1 with SBs, Corruption, and Immolate. For thoroughness, you could do another with SBs and Immolate. Do em all at least twice, and take the average. Take note of any major differences, aka if you had a 35% crit the first time and a 20% crit the second time for the same rotation. If that is the case, run the rotation again, and discard the wildcard.
Then come back and post your findings.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 2:27pm by PriestOfSouls
tested all 3 situations with the gear i've got and 0/21/40 without spell haste is best with SB and immolate, even without improved immolate in the rotation. this is true up until about breaking the 1600 +damage mark with 30% crit (technically they are still dps increases, but by less than 10 dps compared to a 60-70 increase for 99% of all other warlocks gear), at which point SB alone is the best option (this part I've confirmed through theorycrafting spreadsheets from elitest jerks and wowstats figures from top end guilds)
sadly I don't have loads of spell haste yet, so my tests for that have been done with through the use of theorycraft spreadsheets and a haste figure of 10% (more than achievable. only 158 haste rating),again with less than 1600 +damage and 30% crit (so 99% of all locks, 25% crit with about 1200 +damage being still on the upper edge of most raiding locks) you'll benefit from a large dps increase through using dots. except with 10% spell haste. immolate doesn't become very beneficial while corruption does instead. BUT again in the best gear, you benefit most from purely SB nuking.
priest, yes the topic has been covered plenty of times. probably 99% of the time by me and 100% of those times I've provided evidence to back that purely just SB nuking ISN'T the best option EXCEPT in gear equivilant to full T6 level.
p.s. all above scenarios are presuming capped out hit rating. if your hit isn't capped then dots become an even greater dps increase due to less chance of a large loss in damage from a resist due to lack of / much smaller crit damage and due to how they carry on dpsing for you while you can't.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 3:19pm by Jenovaomega
sadly I don't have loads of spell haste yet, so my tests for that have been done with through the use of theorycraft spreadsheets and a haste figure of 10% (more than achievable. only 158 haste rating),again with less than 1600 +damage and 30% crit (so 99% of all locks, 25% crit with about 1200 +damage being still on the upper edge of most raiding locks) you'll benefit from a large dps increase through using dots. except with 10% spell haste. immolate doesn't become very beneficial while corruption does instead. BUT again in the best gear, you benefit most from purely SB nuking.
priest, yes the topic has been covered plenty of times. probably 99% of the time by me and 100% of those times I've provided evidence to back that purely just SB nuking ISN'T the best option EXCEPT in gear equivilant to full T6 level.
p.s. all above scenarios are presuming capped out hit rating. if your hit isn't capped then dots become an even greater dps increase due to less chance of a large loss in damage from a resist due to lack of / much smaller crit damage and due to how they carry on dpsing for you while you can't.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 3:19pm by Jenovaomega
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Isnt that bit cheap? I know I sell it for 20g flat and I never have to wait for a buyer.
But something else interests me? Do talents actually show on tooltip dps/crit/and so on?
I noticed no difference between my +spell damage when I have succubus sacced or out.
But something else interests me? Do talents actually show on tooltip dps/crit/and so on?
I noticed no difference between my +spell damage when I have succubus sacced or out.
I definately thought it was cheap. When I saw them on the AH, I looked up the recipe because I'd never seen it before, and I found they can only be fished in Zul'Aman and Deadwind Pass. Normally I farm my own blackened basilisk, but thats because I go to terokar anyways for daily quests, and I just chain dot like 50 of those things and get a stack in 10-15 minutes.
But I won't go that far out of my way to stock up on the +crit food, I'll just buy it on the AH and yes I'd pay more for it (~22g a stack). Most of the stacks were 5 fish for 8g, but there was some crazy person (like always) selling 20 for 14g, you know the ridiculous undercutting type. We have tons of them on my realm. There could be 50 stacks of arcane dust for 32g, then someone will come along and list 20 stacks for 23g, I don't get those people.
I'm guessing people don't know about the food yet and thats why yours wasn't selling. Also its a smaller market I'm guessing, more people would want raw spell damage over ~1% spell crit. Healers would go for +healing food or mp5, mages would go for spell damage, most warlocks would too.
Sac'd sucubus and 5% crit from devestation don't show up on the character sheet either =/ Not sure why devestation doesn't.
/sidetrack
You really put a lot of weight on spell haste? I have 114 haste rating available to me right now (~7.23%), but it costs me 44 spell damage, 3.23% crit, and the proc off of Band of Eternal Sage. Most of the crit is lost due to me having to swap gear around to stay hit cap'd.
Edit: anyone else's browser locking up when they try to access the armory? I either get an error from the armory, or it just freezes. Tried Firefox and IE.
Edit2: Devastation doesn't show up in the character sheet because it only applies to a certain tree of spells, ie. Destruction spells. Seed of Corruption, our only other spell that can crit, receives no benefit from Devastation.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 4:11pm by PriestOfSouls
You really put a lot of weight on spell haste? I have 114 haste rating available to me right now (~7.23%), but it costs me 44 spell damage, 3.23% crit, and the proc off of Band of Eternal Sage. Most of the crit is lost due to me having to swap gear around to stay hit cap'd.
Edit: anyone else's browser locking up when they try to access the armory? I either get an error from the armory, or it just freezes. Tried Firefox and IE.
Edit2: Devastation doesn't show up in the character sheet because it only applies to a certain tree of spells, ie. Destruction spells. Seed of Corruption, our only other spell that can crit, receives no benefit from Devastation.
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 4:11pm by PriestOfSouls
I know about the fish, Mike, I got the recipe maybe second day after 2.3 and I fished lot of them since then. The main problem is there are no pools for them on tracker so you have to fish and hope to get lucky.
But since I like fishing with my morning coffee anyway I dont mind :)
They do sell, maybe not that fast as +healing but they go nicely at steady price for 5g bid and 7 BO for stack of 5 at my server.
Hmmm, how can I tell my crit then? Does that mean if my tooltip says 18% I actually have 23?
But since I like fishing with my morning coffee anyway I dont mind :)
They do sell, maybe not that fast as +healing but they go nicely at steady price for 5g bid and 7 BO for stack of 5 at my server.
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Sac'd sucubus and 5% crit from devestation don't show up on the character sheet either =/ Not sure why devestation doesn't.
Hmmm, how can I tell my crit then? Does that mean if my tooltip says 18% I actually have 23?
spell haste is the 2nd best dps increase for a destruction warlock after +spell hit.
from the theorycraft, (at 0% hit, 0% crit, 0% haste)
+1hit rating is equivilant of 1.64 +damage
+1 spell haste is equivilant of 1.50 +damage
1+crit is equivilant of 0.62 +damage
(as you increase in hit, crit, haste the importance of these do decreaes, though not by much. at 25% crit, 15% hit [so there's a reason to increase it still, obiously at 16% hit there's no bonus from having more] and 10% haste you get these figures)
+1hit rating is equivilant of 1.46 +damage
+1 spell haste is equivilant of 1.45 +damage
1+crit is equivilant of 0.55 +damage
these are nominised figures though. each spell has it's own individual figures for what each stat is worth due to differences in spell cast time, crit chance, coefficients etc.. + there's differences in them from spec to spec, but otherwise the seconds figures I've listed can basically be taken as near static from this point, except spell haste (at 20% haste 1 haste is worth 1.33 +damage and at 30% it's worth 1.22 +damage, still better than stacking +damage or +crit until you hit the gcd of SB, but that requires 60% haste)
obviously though priest, certain swaps aren't worth it. that ring is unreplaceable currently, but your 2nd ring can definately be a haste one. crit though really isn't amazingly important. though personnaly I'll never go below a 20% crit rate as a destruction lock. the spec is quite reliant on ISB so anything lower and your crits become to unreliable.
hopefully with a bit of luck in ZA, over the next week or two i'll gain enough spell haste to hit the 10% mark, loose near enough no +damage but up to about 5% crit (bringing me to about 21% crit rate)
now for me, that's 105 crit rate which is roughly equal to about 58 +damage while the 158 spell haste gain is between 237 +damage and 229 +damage gain
for you, 3.23% crit is roughly 68 +damage + the 44 +damage = a 112 +damage loss.
you gain 7.23% haste, which is between a 171 and 165 +damage gain. now I've no idea how much that ring is worth dps ways, but if you look at it in an item by item comparison you probably don't want to replace the ring, but all the rest is worthwhile. you may be critting and hitting lower, but you'll benefitting alot in the long run.
p.s. if someone doesn't understand why i'm talking in +damage gains from other stats. it means that to gain the same benefit of say 105 crit rating i would need to gain 58 +damage in theory. etc.. etc.. etc..
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 5:00pm by Jenovaomega
from the theorycraft, (at 0% hit, 0% crit, 0% haste)
+1hit rating is equivilant of 1.64 +damage
+1 spell haste is equivilant of 1.50 +damage
1+crit is equivilant of 0.62 +damage
(as you increase in hit, crit, haste the importance of these do decreaes, though not by much. at 25% crit, 15% hit [so there's a reason to increase it still, obiously at 16% hit there's no bonus from having more] and 10% haste you get these figures)
+1hit rating is equivilant of 1.46 +damage
+1 spell haste is equivilant of 1.45 +damage
1+crit is equivilant of 0.55 +damage
these are nominised figures though. each spell has it's own individual figures for what each stat is worth due to differences in spell cast time, crit chance, coefficients etc.. + there's differences in them from spec to spec, but otherwise the seconds figures I've listed can basically be taken as near static from this point, except spell haste (at 20% haste 1 haste is worth 1.33 +damage and at 30% it's worth 1.22 +damage, still better than stacking +damage or +crit until you hit the gcd of SB, but that requires 60% haste)
obviously though priest, certain swaps aren't worth it. that ring is unreplaceable currently, but your 2nd ring can definately be a haste one. crit though really isn't amazingly important. though personnaly I'll never go below a 20% crit rate as a destruction lock. the spec is quite reliant on ISB so anything lower and your crits become to unreliable.
hopefully with a bit of luck in ZA, over the next week or two i'll gain enough spell haste to hit the 10% mark, loose near enough no +damage but up to about 5% crit (bringing me to about 21% crit rate)
now for me, that's 105 crit rate which is roughly equal to about 58 +damage while the 158 spell haste gain is between 237 +damage and 229 +damage gain
for you, 3.23% crit is roughly 68 +damage + the 44 +damage = a 112 +damage loss.
you gain 7.23% haste, which is between a 171 and 165 +damage gain. now I've no idea how much that ring is worth dps ways, but if you look at it in an item by item comparison you probably don't want to replace the ring, but all the rest is worthwhile. you may be critting and hitting lower, but you'll benefitting alot in the long run.
p.s. if someone doesn't understand why i'm talking in +damage gains from other stats. it means that to gain the same benefit of say 105 crit rating i would need to gain 58 +damage in theory. etc.. etc.. etc..
Edited, Nov 28th 2007 5:00pm by Jenovaomega
yes sethy. if you're character screen says 18% crit. with devestation you have 23% crit. the reason it doesn't show is because the character screen crit is a global crit across all spells while devestation is purely for destruction spells
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