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Jen, why didn't you tell me I could put up 1200 DPS with just SB/Corruption/CoD in a boss fight if I switched to DS/Destro? I want you to know that I hate you and I blame you for not warning me of the dangers of the new spec. I almost wiped my raid a few times for not watching my agg close enough. Now I have a week to L2P as a destro lock before I head back in.

I tried DS/Destro a while back and didn't have the gear for it. It only works if you've got the gear for it.

i'm pretty certain i've said plenty of times that it pushes out imba dps and rediculous threat if you had the right gear... :P but yeah, it's great ^^

Edited, Nov 26th 2007 12:12am by Jenovaomega

I'm gonna try destro out too when I get a new hat (I want cowl of the grand engineer) and a new weapon (either fang of the leviathan to go with the fathomstone I've got in the bank or the nexus key).
Right now I'm at about +1k shadow (without DK and unbuffed), 22% crit and hit capped.
With a new hat and weapon (and the belt of blasting I've got in the bank) I'll get even higher +shadow and crit, so I think it should be able to work ok for destro...

k, from personnal experience and from what others have said, you need minimum 170-180+ hit for dest to become more viable than afliction, you also really need a minimum of 20% crit rate (before devestation). finally if you don't want to gimp your damage due to constant lifetapping, you need about 8k hp and mana before buffs otherwise you'll be gimping your damage by lifetapping during the moments when you could be dpsing instead.
basically every boss has 'movement' phases, i.e. points in the fight where you don't have a chance to dps. during these times are when you want to lifetap and preferably never while you could be nuking.

p.s. loki, unless you're pushing out about 1.6k +shadow when buffed and over 30% crit, corruption is still a noticable dps increase as a shadow dest, also I've been doing some research and it's pointing towards the fact that even as a shadow dest lock, immolate is a bigger dps increase than corruption. even without improved immolate or emberstorm. with both those talents though it looks like it adds up to about a 50-60 dps increase compared to the 10-20 odd you get from corruption... o.0

Edited, Nov 26th 2007 9:26am by Jenovaomega

ya, play how you enjoy, you're the one paying, but if you're a dps ***** like me then you'll always want the best spec for your current gear. hehe

Only reason I wasn't dropping Immolate is because the test run was on A'lar. Insensitive to aggro and easily DPS'd in both phases.

@Sethy:

The reason I ask and don't try first is because I don't want to gimp my guild in raids. Sure I could respec but if my dps dropped to much it would hurt the whole raid. As affliction I do great dps and often come in the top 3 in Gruul's because I can continue dpsing while everyone is moving around. If I had to stop casting for to long and didn't have my power DoTs - nevermind I would get a lot more resists - I would probably lose about 100dps. In a 7 minute fight that is close to 50k damage or more lost.

So I like to theory craft before I go into a raid with a spec that is sub-par for my gear.

yes of course you are ready to switch to destro now, even though your crit is pretty low. guess you´ll even do some nice damage. On trash you could remove some of your +hit gear in order to raise your crit abit, once you get the eye of magtheridon you will not want to have +16% to hit but rather 12% or 14%. That might leave you some space to up your crit abit.

Isnt he sweet?



I am afraid I am "having good time" ***** so I change spec first and then look around to see what gear would suit it... well I gotta be honest and say I am actually "the money making" ***** so respeccing few times a day wouldnt hurt me too much.
If there only were like 200 builds available *sigh*

@AnotherSquirrel:

I was saying in general, there are so many people coming here at 70 or below in quested greens still and asking about respeccing and gear like it would hurt them to simply try and see on their own for few days.
I am the fan of "try and see for yourself, we are all different people and none can tell you exactly how to play". Advices are good and fine but in the end it really depends on you.
Maybe even on they way you like to play..... if that isnt too big blasphemy to say, general opinion seems to be that efficiency > all.

Well , you might have noticed I am bit weird - I still think its just a game and fun is the most important factor for me.

@Sethy

First off, apologies for any offence. I thought you were replying mostly to my post as I'm probably the noobiest lock here.

Secondly: I have a whole bunch of toons. I have a warrior tank, a druid healer (who has some Kara tank gear) and I have a frost mage too (although she is horde and doesnt get much love nowadays). So I like efficiency.

I raid with one toon at a time unless my guild needs me for something specific (we have ~45 active raiding members - which causes issues sometimes...) I can usually get all the enjoyment from all different rolls; Nuking, tanking, healing, CC. So for raiding I can suck it up sometimes and trade enjoyment for efficiency, although I very really don't enjoy the raiding. I actually do love my warlock - she is probably my favourite toon.

hehe, yeah efficiency is a male trait. probably 'cos it requires you to lack emotions... hehe :P

@ mike. once raid buffed, including pots you'll break 20% crit rate as 0/21/40 with those stats, so yeah you could respec it. also the 20% before buffs that i talk about is a bit of a personnal preferance. according to the theory at least you can go down to 15% crit before devestation but imo that's just to low to make the most of ISB, hence why I talk about 20%

and nothing wrong with being a dps ***** :P. though once i get more pvp gear i'll probably become a pvp ***** too. i've got the skills, just sadly my gear is lacking a bit :(

i´d love to join your raid, i get raifbuffed to 29,15% crit