Hey, I was just wondering what advantages and disadvantages each race has for Paladin. Like, for example, which one would be better at PVP, or which would be better at PvE, and why?
If there is one, which one is the better of the two to choose for Paladin?
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Graduation wrote:
Hey, I was just wondering what advantages and disadvantages each race has for Paladin. Like, for example, which one would be better at PVP, or which would be better at PvE, and why?
If there is one, which one is the better of the two to choose for Paladin?
If there is one, which one is the better of the two to choose for Paladin?
haha, blood elves of course have the pvp advantage. mostly cause they're horde and on my realm it seems horde always wins. seriously though, BE's have mana tap and um, the silence ability. those won't turn the tides in pvp, but are certainly more useful than the draenei's gift of the naaru.
pve i'd say they're still pretty close but if you us it the HoT for the draenei would be slightly more useful. especially for solo'ing higher levels and elites.
in the end though, its really just personal choice. they're both better than humans and dwarves for the most part. and of course no racial is really that huge a difference to make one so clearly the best choice.
In pvp, mana tap is pretty much useless unless your target already has little ot no mana, those few seconds keeping a caster unable to cast can be quite handy, Arcane Torrent despite it's long CD is quite useful. It is only a two second silence yes but a sudden silence here and there can stop that cure spell on the guy with your flag in WSG or prevent that one mage from hitting a polymorph or stop that one lock from fearing you at an important moment.
I love arcane torrent because of those critical moments where it has made the difference in BG's and they do happen more often than you think.
In PVE, I like mana tap and arcane torrent as it can somewhat offset my mana cost, I usually will save three mana tap charges for bosses and then use it Arcane Torrent during the battle for a quick burst of mana. The mana provided by full arcane torrent is enough for an extra holy shield or an exra JoR, both of which can also make the difference in a pinch.
The weakness of BE is our low health, not so bad now with that +10% stam talent and stam+ enchants. But to keep my health at what I feel is an acceptable level (just under 11k base at the moment) I need all my stam enchants rather than maybe put an enchant that may be more useful like threat%+ and the like.
I love arcane torrent because of those critical moments where it has made the difference in BG's and they do happen more often than you think.
In PVE, I like mana tap and arcane torrent as it can somewhat offset my mana cost, I usually will save three mana tap charges for bosses and then use it Arcane Torrent during the battle for a quick burst of mana. The mana provided by full arcane torrent is enough for an extra holy shield or an exra JoR, both of which can also make the difference in a pinch.
The weakness of BE is our low health, not so bad now with that +10% stam talent and stam+ enchants. But to keep my health at what I feel is an acceptable level (just under 11k base at the moment) I need all my stam enchants rather than maybe put an enchant that may be more useful like threat%+ and the like.
DrkMateo wrote:
In pvp, mana tap is pretty much useless unless your target already has little ot no mana, those few seconds keeping a caster unable to cast can be quite handy, Arcane Torrent despite it's long CD is quite useful. It is only a two second silence yes but a sudden silence here and there can stop that cure spell on the guy with your flag in WSG or prevent that one mage from hitting a polymorph or stop that one lock from fearing you at an important moment.
I love arcane torrent because of those critical moments where it has made the difference in BG's and they do happen more often than you think.
In PVE, I like mana tap and arcane torrent as it can somewhat offset my mana cost, I usually will save three mana tap charges for bosses and then use it Arcane Torrent during the battle for a quick burst of mana. The mana provided by full arcane torrent is enough for an extra holy shield or an exra JoR, both of which can also make the difference in a pinch.
The weakness of BE is our low health, not so bad now with that +10% stam talent and stam+ enchants. But to keep my health at what I feel is an acceptable level (just under 11k base at the moment) I need all my stam enchants rather than maybe put an enchant that may be more useful like threat%+ and the like.
I love arcane torrent because of those critical moments where it has made the difference in BG's and they do happen more often than you think.
In PVE, I like mana tap and arcane torrent as it can somewhat offset my mana cost, I usually will save three mana tap charges for bosses and then use it Arcane Torrent during the battle for a quick burst of mana. The mana provided by full arcane torrent is enough for an extra holy shield or an exra JoR, both of which can also make the difference in a pinch.
The weakness of BE is our low health, not so bad now with that +10% stam talent and stam+ enchants. But to keep my health at what I feel is an acceptable level (just under 11k base at the moment) I need all my stam enchants rather than maybe put an enchant that may be more useful like threat%+ and the like.
yeah, i''d heard that mana tap wasn't that much mana, but using it will give you the charges to get some mana back when using the silence. and similar to what you said for pve, the draenei's HoT when used on bossed can save a little mana for your healer. or at least give him a little breathing room for the first few seconds of combat.
Also the BE's arcane torrent can be used to pull casters at range, making BE pallies the only pallies that have some kind of ranged pulling ability (albeit a limited one).
Professor gwynhara wrote:
Also the BE's arcane torrent can be used to pull casters at range, making BE pallies the only pallies that have some kind of ranged pulling ability (albeit a limited one).
hmm, maybe i'm getting my characters confused... i could have sworn it was my pally that used holy shock to pull. and my friend uses avenger's shield for pulling... must've been wrong when i thought he was a pally.... my ret must be my only real pally cause she has no ranged pulling ability. you are right though that for a ret pally BE's have the only ranged pull you can get outside of engineering. but, um, on my BE ret pally its mana tap i tend to use for caster pulling.. before level 50 though, you're right, mana tap would be the only pulling ability for a pally. i think. prot doesn't get avenger's shield before that do they?
Professor gwynhara wrote:
Also the BE's arcane torrent can be used to pull casters at range, making BE pallies the only pallies that have some kind of ranged pulling ability without the need to spec for it or get engineering (albeit a limited one).
Fixed for those people that like to nit pick things apart ...
Mana tap is a really good, ranged pull if the situation alows it. some time you just dont want to toss your shield on a pull. or some times is a single mob you want and wasting the mana for a whole shield throw is silly.
plus Mana tap is free.
also. Arcane torrent is a good pull if you want that caster to close the gap and your team isnt really helpin out with silences.
But my opinion on Race for pally. is that BE is the best hands down. Acrane torrent is one of the only racial that doesnt get left behind as you level. it is so very usefull all of the time. either tanking or in pvp. specially in pvp. mainly because i know the Alliance i just silenced is peeved beyond all reason that i just used a Racial to ruin its day. most Racial get taken off your bar long before you hit 70. and back when i sucked at this game i actually took my racials off the bar untill i realized what i fool i was.
plus Mana tap is free.
also. Arcane torrent is a good pull if you want that caster to close the gap and your team isnt really helpin out with silences.
But my opinion on Race for pally. is that BE is the best hands down. Acrane torrent is one of the only racial that doesnt get left behind as you level. it is so very usefull all of the time. either tanking or in pvp. specially in pvp. mainly because i know the Alliance i just silenced is peeved beyond all reason that i just used a Racial to ruin its day. most Racial get taken off your bar long before you hit 70. and back when i sucked at this game i actually took my racials off the bar untill i realized what i fool i was.
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Acrane torrent is one of the only racial that doesnt get left behind as you level.
I'm a Blood Elf myself, and strong Horde supporter, but you do realize that Gift of the Naaru benefits from 100% of your +Heal? Basically it's awesome on Holy Pallies.
On the other hand, Arcana Torrent does *not* scale at all. The silence remains the same, and the mana gained becomes more and more insignificant. I still do it, but 484 (from memory) mana gained for 3 Taps is only enough for a few FoLs every 2 minutes. Not bad at all, just not what I'd call scalling.
hmm, every post ive read about gift of naaru says its close to useless. but perhaps those where from a prot point of view. if it is affected by +healing, then thats out of my relm.
Arcane torrent with 3 mana taps is 437 mana. Yes its free mana, but honestly when you have over 10k mana, 437 is very little, especially considering you can only do it on mobs that have mana (and not every boss does) and it takes several minutes to build up 3 mana taps and then you have to wait even longer for arcane torrent to be back up.
Honestly if I had to choose from draenei racials and BE racials, I'd go with draenei, but that also would mean I would have to be alliance, and I love being horde.
Honestly if I had to choose from draenei racials and BE racials, I'd go with draenei, but that also would mean I would have to be alliance, and I love being horde.
The RuenBahamut of Doom wrote:
hmm, every post ive read about gift of naaru says its close to useless. but perhaps those where from a prot point of view. if it is affected by +healing, then thats out of my relm.
GotN isn't useless. Far from it. For a good 90-95% of the PvE game it's nothing short of pure magic. However, at the very end of the game and in PvP, it's rarely worth blowing the 1.5 seconds and the GCD it takes to cast it. Compare that to most Horde talents which, as usual, are just as useful or more so all the way through the game, and you begin to understand why some people are too hard on it.
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Arcane torrent with 3 mana taps is 437 mana. Yes its free mana, but honestly when you have over 10k mana, 437 is very little, especially considering you can only do it on mobs that have mana (and not every boss does) and it takes several minutes to build up 3 mana taps and then you have to wait even longer for arcane torrent to be back up.
i dont use it for the mana, i was just talking about the AOE silence. the only time i ever use mana tap for any reason is to either pull in PvE or when an Ally is OOM and i can keep them dry. because as you've stated, the amount of mana is useless.
Dranei racials are probably better for a healer.
BE racials are probably better for a tank.
For ret... either flip a coin or decide if you want to party with ugly orcs or weird creepy gnomes.
BE racials are probably better for a tank.
For ret... either flip a coin or decide if you want to party with ugly orcs or weird creepy gnomes.
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what about heroic presence? (i think thats what its called) the dranei racial adds 1% accuracy? wouldnt that help alot with prot and ret, or is it to little? im not really sure. and then the same thing with be resistance, or is that too little? im not really sure my pally is only like lvl 40 but the accuracy should help alot w/ rets slow weapons and every hit counts with prot (in pve at least) and resistance is always helpful i guess.
Heroic/Inspiring presence only affects other around you, not yourself.
I hear Seal of Blood is pretty awesome for DPS, and Seal of Vengeance is rather good for tanking.
Ah yes, I forgot about the spells.... hrm....
It is easier to tank with SoV, but SoR is still usable. SoBlood is a better seal than SoC, however the latter is still usable.
Oh decisions decisions. In the end, just pick a race who's *** you don't mind staring at all day.
It is easier to tank with SoV, but SoR is still usable. SoBlood is a better seal than SoC, however the latter is still usable.
Oh decisions decisions. In the end, just pick a race who's *** you don't mind staring at all day.
The Honorable CapJack wrote:
Oh decisions decisions. In the end, just pick a race who's *** you don't mind staring at all day.
That's why I rolled a female Paly >.>
Maulgak wrote:
The Honorable CapJack wrote:
Oh decisions decisions. In the end, just pick a race who's *** you don't mind staring at all day.
That's why I rolled a female Paly >.>
Well, if you're gonna go there...
Female Draenei for the win. For the ultimate win. Hottest females in WoW.
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