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I finally hit 70 recently, but have been playing in the Outland a long time.
A few times, when in an instance group, the fighters of the group pitch a fit when I do not play how they want me to. For example, the last two times they either left the group or kicked me from the group, because I did not want to use Succubus; naturally, they made up a bunch of childish comments, and said I dont know how to play if I did not do that for them.
I'm Demonology speced, so as far as I am concerned, I should be able to use any minion I want as long I as I get the job done-- succubi are just not practical and die too easy, so I prefer to use a voidwalker or felguard when I am assigned a certain target. To me, it is those few people that do not know how to "class", if they are so dependent on my moves, especially if I have no trouble dealing with an assigned target.
What do you guys think?

Of course, as a demonologist, your felguard or even VW would be good enough to keep control of something.. at least until heroics and raids.

I agree, the succubus dies really fast, but it's what most people use at 70. Instances just get harder as you move up, and eventually even a buffed felguard won't last more than a couple hits. That's when you'll need your succy.

Some people, though, just get too stuck on only one possibility, instead of ever wanting to try to see if something else might work. Sure, the succubus would have done fine, but maybe a felguard could do it, and even make the battles end faster.

But yeah, eventually demonology isn't useful anymore. You'll end up having to try something new as well.

Shattered halls I did perfectly well with felguard, as long as you keep the mob ooc as long as its needed none has the right to demand anything from you.

That said, and being total hater of succubus and seduce myself, I must say that if you really want to be good lock, apart from what some idiot asks from you, you will practice seduce and be able to use it if needed.

It is part of your toolbar and not using anything that can give you advantage or help you be bit better player is simply crippling yourself.
You might get bored of demo - I did - and using VW at 70 is not really a good option.

Well, I pugged all the way to 70 and far beyond that on my lock and I know what kind of hell it can be.
The only people I could rely on were my 2 friends, but they have mage and rogue for mains - 3 dps dont mean too much in groups as you can imagine.
But we made some friends pugging around and basically people learned to respect my felguard and I never had complains.

Of course, I learned instances too so I pulled imp in some situations or succy in others, depending on my knowledge and common sense without having to be told what to do.

Then we rolled alts, I went for hunter and they made prot warrior and holy pally, now we can pick and choose :D
But since our alts just recently dinged 70 I thought it was bad idea to bring my maybe not that good but at least half epicced warlock to play with them. I was bit scared I would burden them too much with aggro pulling.

There is a guild thing too, ofc, we had bad luck with merging and our little guild went to almost nothing. We are getting people back and more than few are still leveling. So sometimes we can make nice guild team and sometimes we just have to manage.

The last run I said I will just tag along (one of my big wishes is HH rep) since I just respecced and feel incapable to play properly.
It went amazingly well, I pulled aggro from tank maybe twice with SoC and I managed to seduce and shoot and I even got to the nr1 dps place above almost equally geared mage.

Try making friends with some healer/tank, its much easier to run PuGs if you have wanted class supporting you.

Edited, Nov 25th 2007 8:26am by Sethy

I have been 70 for months, actually I think I have 45 days /played as 70 and I still havent seen single heroics on her.
People I like > everything else.
If we manage to put up decent guild together I will be happy to go further, if not I am going to stay where I am its still fun. Right now I am some 1k gold from epic flyer on my second toon; I can just as well level few more while waiting :p

Btw BM is total pita for me in PuGs and I hate adds duty.
Funny enough my rogue friend was delighted with it, he hates to be in AoE range of the bosses.
It can be fun but mind that you need pretty well coordinated group and good dps to finish it.

If you want Nether Ray you have to be exalted with Skyguards.
If you want the drake mount you have to be exalted with Netherwing.

If you just want good old gryphon (I prefer that kind) all you need is 5200g and visit to trainer and seller in Wildhammer Stronghold in SMV. For Alliance that is, no clue about Horde :D

Edited, Nov 25th 2007 9:55am by Sethy

I don't seduce. If the group needs it I will if they're friends, but normally I do instances (heroic and non) with CC like fear, sheep, sap, or none at all. Normally we'll MC before we seduce. It's just more effective.

Some of us mere mortals cant do that yet ya know :p



I had one of those bright moments, seducing until damn succy went oom, banishing all that time, fearing/dotting the third one and finally fel-pulling my felguard to intercept and finishing last mob with lucky crit.
I didnt save a group from a wipe but I felt mighty proud to be the only one left standing alive among dead bodies.
I needed double aspiring after that though.


But seriously, the most reliable CC so far I have with trapping on my hunter. If my group can grasp mere basics of CDs... funny how many of them dont.
I can only imagine what godlike CCers must be SV hunters, might respec some day just to taste the feeling.

Psst.. pssttt.. It's called a prot paladin.



If you're trying to seduce, and you're still new, you'll notice that seduce makes a nice amount of threat. Almost every time, the mob will come straight at your succy and kill her. You have to stop that.

Get used to checking on the remaining time. When it's down to about 1 second, cast some non-DoT spell on it to pull it your way. Or fear it, shadowfury it, whatever, and spam-click seduce until it works again.

i am absolutely baffled, about how many of you actually (have to?) seduce in instances. It never occured to me or anyone i have ever grouped with to seduce, nor had the need ever arisen.
Yes i do heroics regulary to daily at least one, even before daily heroic quests. As i said i really never considdered to use the seduce as a viable CC in instances.
But usually i am lucky enough that we have usually a rogue a mage or such massive damage that the need for additional CC nerver rises.

E-love is harmless...

That's the point. If you don't have a rogue and / or mage, you have to. And therein lies the trouble with PuGs. If you have a nice guild going, no, you may never have to seduce. And lucky you...!

Actually it doesnt. I met my present husband online 7 years ago.