To my fellow priests,
OMG, got on this morning to run BRD. I find an ok pug and head in.... to find out that 3 out of 4 of them have never run this before! Blessed with comments like "How do I get to the instance?" and such... Ok, summons cured a lot of that. Well there is nothing wrong with it being your first time, we all have to do it. I did and they will.
And 2 hrs later and pulling 3 new players in (as one person or another had to leave for whatever reason) we did the Ring 3 times!!!!!!!!! and I had a headache and... I'm getting ahead of myself here.
Props to the pally Stormfist. He's a ret spec Pally and took the job of tanking. Having never run BRD before with a little coaching he really did well. And being ret he really did a good job of keeping the agro off me (as I was healing).
Our first group had a hunter (who was the first to drop right after the Ring)a rogue, pally, and shaman. What is it with Hunters? Espically Beast Masters. Further more, there is something worng with hunters with egos the size of Asia! I have a six year old in first grade with a lvl 26 hunter!!! Talk about an easy class. Send your pet in and pick from a distance. Now I realize that is the purpose of a Beast Master, but holy cow!! A SIX YR OLD CAN DO THAT TOO!
So, He's pulling the group along to fast, espically for players that you could tell were smoking to much pot. He's always pulling agro and I'm having to heal him and the pally (which comes with the job... yes) and his bet. Rogue's doing his part. Even for never running it he's doing will tagging the target of the pally (as he was established from the start as the tank).
SO before we get to the ring, the pally pulls his group as marked, and the hunter decides to pull a second group of dogs right along with 2 more dwarves with his pet and bow. Egos. So now I've got the whole group to heal and run out of mana.... WIPE!
Ok... Try again... and this hunter has played outside too long. I honestly don't want hunters in my groups anymore. After killing a nice six pull ( love those pats) he goes in for the next group... without giving me time to drink. At this point the shaman is starting to get dps happy, the Pally and Rogue are working well and this Hunters pet dies. So sorry, my mana was for the tank and to keep his happy agro butt alive. "res my pet" he says... OH I FEEL A HEADACHE COMING ON!!! Can't you comes 2 replys. Mine being one, the pally the second. "I don't have the mana" comes the reply. OMG!
So we hit the ring, kill, get the drop and he leaves.
Next we get a second rogue. I'm ok with that as the pally can now truly tank and really was doing a good job (even though he was ret spec) and holding his own. More dps means they have less time to hit him before they die and I'm working less. Run the rogues through a quick lesson on how to gain target of pally so we are all on the same page and it comes back to me..... this shaman is ENHANCEMENT!!!
Not one totem yet. Not one seen. Not one there. WTF?!?!?
So I start chatting with him and he doesn't want to drop any cause it saps his mana. SORRY? Mmmmm.... so drop at least a mana totem so that he can get his mana back and I get more for healing while in combat. BEGGED, PLEAD, HANDS AND KNEES... and he finally agrees. "What totems should I put down?" WHAT???!?!?!?! YOUR LVL 54 ENHANCE. ENHANCE SOMETHING! How do you get that far without knowing how to play your charater? Now, I admit. I've never played a Shaman. So I call up my buddie who has a pre-burnning lvl 60 Shaman who he's retired and tell him the sit. His responce was "If you have an Enhance Shammy in your group who will not drop a totem, KICK HIM OUT!!!" I've got a headache now.
So with our new add, a rogue called Puffofsmoke (cool guy, good rogue) we go back in arguing with the Shammy to do his part, and get into the ring... kill and our first rogue got sick of shammy and leaves. GOT ME A HEADACHE!!!
Pally rocks, Puff is kickin it. Marks go down and they have their jobs down easy!! Get a Druid to take over tank so Ret pally can shine.... and then Shammy wants to go respec. Probally cause of all the flack he got from the group about being Enhance and not enhancing anything. So he hearths, and while we are waiting around for him to respec, we get hit by a 70 horde lock. Wipe.
I left my dead body there and logged.
Anyone else have problems with stupid non-enhancing enhance Shammys? Or ego filled (are you smarter than a first grader) Hunters? Or was I just pulling my hair out for nothing?
Thanks to all those who let me rant and actually read this pos post.
Ahh... though to all that play Bolderfist, Stormfist and PuffofSmoke!!!
You guys rock! Add them any time.
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Haha, i feel your pain. We all been there, usually its the shamen that blow their load though and get agro off the tank in 15 seconds and then proceed to eat your mana with needing healing for the rest of the fight.
And people that dont attack the tanks target ... i mean can you take an elite monster on your own normally? No! Of course you cant, so dont expect us to bail you out when you try!
I get sick of people that have blatantly played solo for the whole game, or have been boosted through so much they get to a reasonable level and just dont know how to play their class! The lower instances are there for a reason, learn your class, learn your role.
And people that dont attack the tanks target ... i mean can you take an elite monster on your own normally? No! Of course you cant, so dont expect us to bail you out when you try!
I get sick of people that have blatantly played solo for the whole game, or have been boosted through so much they get to a reasonable level and just dont know how to play their class! The lower instances are there for a reason, learn your class, learn your role.
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Yes I think it should be mandatory for all warcraft players to read the manuals online before they start playing. I was running deadmines with my priest and we had to explain to a level 21 druid wat a tank was. Now come on! Have some self respect and learn the darn lingo! I can see a level 10 asking but how can u get that far and not now what a tank is? Especially when they can be a tank.
My main is a 70 hunter and i have 8 mid-level characters too.
It is very fair to assume a BM hunter can solo normal elites his level (the giants in Desolace for example). This can cause some to try it in a group, and that sucks for the group. The way i distinguish who's who in mid-level groups is by talking in the party chat and making sure everyone responds regularly. If they dont, then they probably arent watching party chat and then i just wait till they do something wrong to kick them.
Most players new to the game wont know what a tank's proper job is until after they go through Scarlet Monastery a couple times. This is because their friend (who recruited them) usually helps them pick a dps class because it's harder to mess up. When they get into a group, they shoot things when they see them, unless told to do otherwise. At least that's what i've figured.
My roomate recently got his girlfriend to switch to our server and she rolled a warrior because she liked her solo-running warrior she had before. We went through VC and he asked me to teach her what to do. VC is where most people begin to group, so that 21 druid isn't below the normal learning curve. When i rolled my first character (pally) i got to 35ish and was trading in my greens for the highest level whites i could find so i could get more armor.... It was sad.
It is very fair to assume a BM hunter can solo normal elites his level (the giants in Desolace for example). This can cause some to try it in a group, and that sucks for the group. The way i distinguish who's who in mid-level groups is by talking in the party chat and making sure everyone responds regularly. If they dont, then they probably arent watching party chat and then i just wait till they do something wrong to kick them.
Most players new to the game wont know what a tank's proper job is until after they go through Scarlet Monastery a couple times. This is because their friend (who recruited them) usually helps them pick a dps class because it's harder to mess up. When they get into a group, they shoot things when they see them, unless told to do otherwise. At least that's what i've figured.
My roomate recently got his girlfriend to switch to our server and she rolled a warrior because she liked her solo-running warrior she had before. We went through VC and he asked me to teach her what to do. VC is where most people begin to group, so that 21 druid isn't below the normal learning curve. When i rolled my first character (pally) i got to 35ish and was trading in my greens for the highest level whites i could find so i could get more armor.... It was sad.
You may try playing a hunter properly some time and then come and tell us if its so easy.
Btw if I had 6 years old I would never let him/her play WoW, but we are all different parents I guess.
As we are all different people - some tend to bash entire class based on few bad players they didnt have balls to /kick out of the group.
I could write stories about horrible brats of healers I had *luck* to have in my groups, mostly priests, but I just /kick and skip the run if I have to, I dont whine about entire class being ezy mode or brattish based on couple of low level incompetent players.
Btw if I had 6 years old I would never let him/her play WoW, but we are all different parents I guess.
As we are all different people - some tend to bash entire class based on few bad players they didnt have balls to /kick out of the group.
I could write stories about horrible brats of healers I had *luck* to have in my groups, mostly priests, but I just /kick and skip the run if I have to, I dont whine about entire class being ezy mode or brattish based on couple of low level incompetent players.
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Id have to agree that many times dps classes have trouble understanding the simple basic concepts of group layout. I also encounter many people who are naive about their abilities and seem to be stuck in some sort of routine. For one, hunters (my main) are nearly always retarded. I also <3 the occasional Pre-BC priest. When asked "can you heal?" they often respond "im shadow, im not a healer." I mean I can understand not wanting to heal, but some people just dont understand, hey you can turn shadowform off and still be a very viable 5-man healer until well into the BC. It just seems that some people choose their class with a pre-determined notion of how to play it. Instead of taking constructive criticism they would rather go "pew, pew, RARRR" over and over again, gimping their class and their group.
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You may try playing a hunter properly some time and then come and tell us if its so easy.
As we are all different people - some tend to bash entire class based on few bad players they didnt have balls to /kick out of the group.
As we are all different people - some tend to bash entire class based on few bad players they didnt have balls to /kick out of the group.
You're right about the Hunter thing. I've never played one (except a few hrs logged on my boy's) and I don't know a thing about it. It is wrong to knock a whole class based upon a few bad runs. I honestly haven't stopped taking in hunters. Ran brd this morning with one. He was pretty cool. Fast learner too as he didn't know how to use his traps and had it down by his 3rd pull. And I guess your right... I don't like to kick people. But... lesson learned. It's part of the game, and I should use it when I deem necessary.
Yes, we are all different parents. Best to leave it at that.
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When asked "can you heal?" they often respond "im shadow, im not a healer." I mean I can understand not wanting to heal, but some people just dont understand, hey you can turn shadowform off and still be a very viable 5-man healer until well into the BC
And don't let anyone fool you... I totally agree. Shadow priests can heal. I usually let people know that I'm shadow and will have to drink more often (less now that I have vamp touch) than usual, but we can heal just fine. Not sure about post 60... I have two toons and my priest is only lvl 51.
Again, thanks for listing to me rant. Felt much better after beating the keys for a while.
Ok, as my hunter I would love to transfer over just to slap that one around the head for making me ill just by reading his exploits. As a paladin I'll say grats to Stormfist for taking on a role not specc'd for. And lastly - My hats off tou you, for having more patience than I ever could have had.
Oh! And as an enhancement shammy WHO does use totems i'd like to do something nasty to that one(and not in any nice or deviant way for you dirty minded types).
Oh! And as an enhancement shammy WHO does use totems i'd like to do something nasty to that one(and not in any nice or deviant way for you dirty minded types).
Its a shame when you have a bad group experience, it does give you a headache! I remember BRD gave me a headache, its a long instance... way too long if you've got a bad group.
A well played hunter makes an excellent contribution to a group, they are great for pulling, crowd control and their pets can be useful. Its great to stand and heal next to a hunter who'll get a trap down should anything head our way. I am a bit jealous of their feign death - its got to save on those repair bills when you end up in a bad group!
Shamans totems: theres really no excuse not to drop them. (I've loved grouping with good totem-dropping shamans so much I rolled one as my alt, but she's only lvl21.)
A well played hunter makes an excellent contribution to a group, they are great for pulling, crowd control and their pets can be useful. Its great to stand and heal next to a hunter who'll get a trap down should anything head our way. I am a bit jealous of their feign death - its got to save on those repair bills when you end up in a bad group!
Shamans totems: theres really no excuse not to drop them. (I've loved grouping with good totem-dropping shamans so much I rolled one as my alt, but she's only lvl21.)
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Yes, we are all different parents. Best to leave it at that.
I apologise, I didnt mean to say you are not a good one.
I simply think WoW is very amoral game that teaches young people without developed principles very wrong basic values.
The entire "catch what you can before anyone else" and "gear (material stuff) > everything else" attitude is very harmful to those that cant yet understand why morals and principles do not come along with visible benefits.
Just my opinion of course.
Edited, Nov 27th 2007 6:36am by Sethy
LMAO for the story. I haven't had any PUGs quite that bad. My SP is lvl 42 right now and I mostly do PUGs now. Found out on my mains that playing with high level friends doesn't teach you anything.
I probably would have left way sooner than you did. Or kicked em out if I was party leader. It's good that you found two new players you can group up with again.
Just my 2 coppers worth.
I probably would have left way sooner than you did. Or kicked em out if I was party leader. It's good that you found two new players you can group up with again.
Just my 2 coppers worth.
Well, I wouldn't let a 6 year old play WoW (The age recomendation is over twice their age) but I won't say someone is a bad parent if they do.
I mean, without even looking at the game, the community is what scares me. Does your child read yet? If so, do you have all the channels off, and language filitered?
If so, then I would say maybe to letting a six year old play.
I am fairly open to letting kids see the world as it is. However, I don't want to force it upon them. I don't really see the need to expose a child to drinking and fighting/killing or provacative dancing until absolutely necessary.
Parenting can be done all kinds of ways. As long as it is being done and your child learns morals, I cannot blame you in any way.
I mean, without even looking at the game, the community is what scares me. Does your child read yet? If so, do you have all the channels off, and language filitered?
If so, then I would say maybe to letting a six year old play.
I am fairly open to letting kids see the world as it is. However, I don't want to force it upon them. I don't really see the need to expose a child to drinking and fighting/killing or provacative dancing until absolutely necessary.
Parenting can be done all kinds of ways. As long as it is being done and your child learns morals, I cannot blame you in any way.
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Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
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I HATE BRD. I've been in there 7 times and never made it past the second room. Only once was it because of wipes. That place is freaking cursed! Every single time, someone has to go mow the lawn, or eat dinner, or just DCs and doesn't come back. EVERY TIME the party disintegrates within 20 minutes of entering.
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If so, then I would say maybe to letting a six year old play.
Yes he reads. As a first grader he has the reading lvl of a third grader. Math skills to match (proud Dad if you couldn't tell!!! I spend a TON of time with my kids).
I completely remove the chat window for him. Though I have the lang filter on for myself when I play. I just like seeing @%^$ better than the real thing :-)
He can't type... well he can but it will take him a while to find the letters, so he doesn't join groups, he doesn't talk to other people, he just plays. I've run DM for him to get the quests (hence the limit of my Hunter exp)... but I've heard that a good beastmaster can do almost anything by themselves, hence why he's playing a hunter. Plus he really likes his pet.... thinks it's cool.
As for anything else.... everyone parents differently, and we'll leave it at that.
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I feel your pain, esp with the hunters. I think they are a good class. but the majority of the people I group with who play hunters are not good at the class. Your right about their egos. I have had my run ins with semi the same conditions ( see Your Pet is not on my top 5 ....."
I know why the shaman was afraid to drop his totems, is mana supply. Yes its small , yes totems can eat your mana bar up... but they should of known that rolling a shaman and that their role in groups isn't about being the highest DPS... even though they can easily can top the charts in groups if they try. But instead to make everyone else's stats better, interrupting spells with their shocks, semi CC with frost shocks, all while thwacking stuff.
so all in all Im glade that you where able to sharpen those in the rough and hopefully it will show in the next time they group with another group.
I know why the shaman was afraid to drop his totems, is mana supply. Yes its small , yes totems can eat your mana bar up... but they should of known that rolling a shaman and that their role in groups isn't about being the highest DPS... even though they can easily can top the charts in groups if they try. But instead to make everyone else's stats better, interrupting spells with their shocks, semi CC with frost shocks, all while thwacking stuff.
so all in all Im glade that you where able to sharpen those in the rough and hopefully it will show in the next time they group with another group.
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"What totems should I put down?" WHAT???!?!?!?! YOUR LVL 54 ENHANCE. ENHANCE SOMETHING!
That part made me chuckle :)
As for your post/rant, I think we've all been there. Best advise is to just keep going. Fortunately for me my server is actually pretty good when it comes to pugs, and while I have had similar experiences they were few and far between.
I play a pally as my main, i just dinged 70 the other day and went to help out some people in ramps. I'm holy spec so I was going as the flash heal spammer, and to my surprise when I got there I had to explain to a level 63 protection pally what tanking was and why HE was chosen to do it...WTF are people learning in the first 60 levels of the game? Does anyone know?
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