Arena: 2v2 and 3v3 matrix help.Follow

From what I remember as Rogue/Mage, War/Pally is a *****. I think that was one of the teams we just could not win against consistently. It requires really good execution.


This might be the one fight I am really wary against. Your mage wants to mount up and stay away from the Warrior for as long as possible until you can get to the Pally. Open on the Pally (save your cooldowns!!!!!!). Have your mage ready on counter spells and you keep steady on kicks. Your Mage should be trying to cc the warrior as much as possible while still dps'ing the pally (don't use polymorphs. this means nova's and slowing him).

Once the Pally bubbles, you want to run away while your Mage sheeps the warrior. Once Poly hits DR get on the Warrior and play lockdown (save cd's) on him while the mage sheeps the pally over and over. You are doing this to reset the DR from poly's on the warrior.

Once you can resheep the Warrior, do so and then get on that Pally. Bumrush him (remember those cd's? use them now). Keep the mage ready on a clutch counterspell and have him keep the warrior at bay as long as possible.

If you don't get the pally down by now, you lost.


On this one, I would love opinions. This was what best worked for us around 1950 or so, but it just wasn't great.


For Hunter/Pally, I would do the same thing. Open on Pally until bubble. Once he bubbles get on the Hunter.

Here is where it switches though. Instead of going back on the Pally after bubble, get your mage ready on Counterspell, then chain sheep the Pally while you are killing the Hunter and trying to keep him off your Mage. Toss a Blind on the Pally for a heal interrupt (he is gonna have to use a big one). It shouldn't take you to long to get down that Hunter.


Moral of the story for any double dps vs dps/healer is this though. If they get one "reset" (huge heal 5%-100%) then it is almost game over. Double dps is incredibly tight knit and your games have to go perfect to pull out wins, because you just don't have survivability. At the same time, it is very easy to win with double dps, provided you do things right, but when you hit a counter matrix, there isn't much you can do.

Edited, Nov 27th 2007 12:21pm by MYteddy

Ok. Didn't mean to leave you hanging in the dark here or think I lost effort in maintaining this.

I really had to put a lot of thought into this.

I personally think, this is a hard counter to your setup, especially after Hunter buffs in the last patch.

Ok, when the match starts you both want to be stealthed. You need to open up on the Hunter. This is for a reason. If you attack him immediately, he is going to be defensive and want to get away(thus being offensive) so he will pop BIGRED.

Your Druid needs to stay stealthed during this.

When you get the Hunter to pop BM, CoS any magic you might have on you, and find a safe spot to Vanish (this entire strategy is based off you getting this Vanish).

Wait out the BM. Watch out for Flares.

When it wears off, open up on the Priest. Get a 5pt EA on him and interrupt heals. Your Druid needs to pop out now and if you are lower on health, use a quick NS>HT on you then needs to Cyclone harrass/root(los) the hunter's dps off you. Once you get a 5pt EA, and run out of ways to keep the Priest from healing, the Druid needs to Cyclone the Priest. This is to keep him from healing. Then, have your druid Cyclone, Feral Charge, Bash, etc and lock down all the Priest's heals and re Cyclone. Meanwhile you should go over to the Hunter and start locking him down. Get him back for all the trouble he has been giving you. Work him down in a stunlock. If you can, LOS him from the Priest.

When your Druid is out of time/interrupts (this could be anywhere from 15-35ish seconds) he needs to Cyclone/root the Hunter.

**At this point the Hunter should be anywhere from 55-65% and cycloned. Priest at about the same. You will be around 80% and your Druid maybe 85% with some HoTs on.**

Ok, get to the Priest. The Druid is going to be stalling the Hunter (his BIGRED might be almost ready). So do what you can with Cyclone's and roots. You need to be on the Priest. Remember that 5pt EA? It is almost up. Mutilate, mutilate, KS, pop that CB, Mutilate. The Priest has to be close to dead by now. I would suggest a Blind here. If the Hunter is roaring back and your Druid is out of options, you have two choices. If the Hunter is attacking the Druid (this may be to offensive and rare) then stay by the Priest. If the Hunter decides to attack your Druid, have your Druid HoT up and go Bear and tough it out while you wait for a restealth and sap the Priest.

If that happens, regain energy, put the Priest in a stunlock, and finish him.

Now I don't think that will happen. I think the Hunter would attack you, but that is what you do should you guys get lucky. If he attacks you, stay by the Priest, working on his last bit, and have your Druid heal through the Hunter's attacks on you. Keep energy for interrupts on the Priest, and try to finish him here. If your Druid can, Cyclone if you really can't finish him, so you can build up energy. The Hunter's BIGRED might be gone by now, if it is, you have the option to Cyclone him and the Priest should be dead. Your Druid tops you both off, and get on the Hunter for the finish.

Now, in thinking on this, I would want to try this everytime. This would be my strategy. But this is going to be extremely best case. So many things can go wrong in this setup, and I think Hunter/Priest may just be a very tough matrix.

Edited, Nov 29th 2007 5:55pm by MYteddy

I know it isn't my thread and the question wasn't directed at me, but I would suggest getting the s1 maces first for the ar/prep hemo spec. I am currently waiting on my honor points to get the s3 MH if I manage to get my ratings high enough. Not sure if I can with my current set ups though.

And I still run bg's .

Now for my question(s);

I run 2v2 and 3v3 with a priest partner. He now has 4/5 s1 gear, and over 400 resilience.

Tonight when we were playing we had high trouble with 2 teams,

1) Hunter/Paladin:

The hunter slowed me with his awesome inventory, and the pala kept Blessing of Freedom up the whole time, so I was basically kited by them while my priest got slowly killed by the hunter. First game I was on hunter, didn't work, second game I was on pala, didn't work. He kited me with the hunter laying traps etc, then around blade's edge and by the time we were close to the priest hunter again, my priest was dead.

2) Mage/Rogue: Mage starts invi, rogue is stealthed, by the time I open on the rogue (after he is on the priest most likely) the priest is at <50% health. And before you know it, dead.

PS: Anybody know if I should get my priest to spec Disc(pain suppresion) or he should stay holy?

For teams like that, your best way is to play very offensive, and then fall on defense. By this I mean both of you should open on the same target (out of your two, it would be the Mage and the SPriest), and try to burst him down as far as possible. Your Druid will want to pop out of feral and throw a cyclone or two on the partner while you work on the main target. Watch out for cc's, so keep a trinket ready and just suffer through any damage. Have your druid throw a HoT and then needs to help you keep on that mage or SPriest. They will try to instantly cc you guys, so watch out and be quick with trinkets. Just suffer the damage the partner puts out, and get that primary guy down. If need be, your Druid needs to LOS and fall back and heal you both and toss out cyclones. If you get the first target down, get on the other, and have your Druid fall back and top you both off before finishing the fight.



This is really where a Frost Mage partner comes in handy . It's good to see your success so far, I have a few tips that will help for Rogue/Rogue and /Druid.

For your setup, your mage doesn't need Invis. You want your mage to run out and you stay right behind him. When you think the two stealthers are near, your mage needs to Rank 1 Arcane Explosion and get them unstealthed. You are right by him spamming CS. You want your partner to bring them out, so you can stop them from getting on him.

Once you put them into CS, your mage will want to blink away and kite one, or turn around and dps if they stay on you.

You need to be locking down the target you open on and apply as much dps as possible. Now if the partner is a druid, your mage will turn around, dps the Rogue a bit and wait for the Druid to come out. Be ready, the Druid might come out swinging with a Cyclone on one of you. If it is on you, your mage needs to be fast with his Counter-Spell, which will ***** the Druid. Use this silence time to sheep the Druid. Your mage needs to play interrupt on the Druid. The Rogue is going to be around 65% or so right now, so your Mage needs to help dps as much as possible. Use your Blind to interrupt the Druid. Let the mage unload and try to burst down the rogue here.

Now if it was Rogue/Rogue. Once you open on one your mage will blink away. If the second rogue opens on you, your mage needs to turn and play sheep harrass to make them blow CoS or trinkets. Make sure you Rupture the first guy after CS, then while the mage is going back and forth, throw a combo point on the other and get a rupture. Now you have two ruptured rogues who might have blown Cos or at least trinkets. So get back on the first guy, both of you focus him and burst. If the other rogue stays on you, both of you do all you can to keep him off with sheeps and your blind. Maybe even gouge, it's good for a couple of white hits in dps.

If the other rogue instead chases the mage, have your mage dps your target as much as possible, and do anything he can to slow the rogue coming to him. Have your mage burst all you got here on thier rogue while he tries to get away and stay alive from the rogue. This is where Frost comes in :( With that, you just got to stall the one long enough for you to finish one guy. Him being arcane really limits the chances.



Your best bet, is to get the weapons first. Get yourself practiced for AR/Prep and having new weapons is the best way.

Bust ***. Get that honor. Just because you got weapons first, doesn't mean you shouldn't be in a few S1 pieces in another week.

Thanks for the reply, definitely a few things there we haven't tried yet, can't wait to get back on and have a decent base to work off of.

But it will have to wait till after this weekend, my English paper and Physics lab are going to eat up all my free time. It's a good thing my play time ran out this afternoon so as I won't be distracted by the game.

My current 2v2 team is a mage (heavy frost) and me (11/8/42). I got pretty tough time last night facing Rogue/Druid team, they just make us feel so naked.

First match
All stay stealth, mage mount around waiting stealth unit to hit him. Rogue CS him, then I CS the rogue, before I can land KS the druid cyclone me, trinket but rogue already get away and sticking to the mage. Step to rogue, then I get cyclone again, mage can't even have chance to iceblock and died.

Second match
All stay stealth, similiar to first but this time we aim druid since the druid immume to all kind of our CC. Druid kite me like hell where the rogue down my mage pretty easy...

We can't see them after second match then, which is lucky but also phobia to me. >.< Seem like we just can't beat this team setup at all.. any suggestions I can try out or improve?

Rogue/Lock is great with the Lock as SL/SL. There are a few counters, and the Warlock and Rogue need to be geared up to compete 2000+, but it is very good. Demo also works only when the Warlock is geared to the fullest and can afford the lack of survivability SLSL brings.





For Rogue/Mage any team with a Druid will give you a challenge. Your best bet is to stay on the Druid the whole time. Otherwise, you guys are going to get Cycloned to all hell, and you can't afford that.

Your best bet, is to stay by the Rogue, once he opens, CS him to let your mage get away, and then put some pressure on the Rogue to coax out the Druid (try to get a 3-4pt Rupture on him). Have your mage ready with a Counterspell when the Druid comes out. Once you get the Druid out, ShS over to him and start locking him down. Probably ShS, Vanish, CS and start a stunlock. Always, always have energy to shiv crip. The Druid is going to try and Nature's Grasp you, Feral Charge, etc, and to anything to get distance. Luckily, you have ShS, so if he does get away, ShS, and Shiv immediately and just work down the Druid. Kick Cyclone's or crucial heals.


Meanwhile your Mage needs to put his pet on the Druid, and play around with the Rogue. Keep the Rogue busy with kiting, iceblock > blink, etc. Just hold him at bay with anything you can.

Work the Druid down, have your mage dps when he can afford it, and once the Druid is down, finish the Rogue.

It all depends on your third.

But depending what CC you guys have, kill the Hunter, CC the Warrior and have your Lock harass the Paladin with silences and DOTs while DPS'ing the Hunter.

lol thanks.
when i just rated you up, your score went from Decent to Good ^.^

lol why doesnt it stay good?
i feel less important now >.>
however i did just find a druid that i hope will work out

Bump.

The trouble here is that "burning down" an SL/SL lock is like breaking rocks with a nail file. I'd say your best bet would be to keep the lock CC'ed as best you can, while chewing up the shaman. Sap the lock, garrote the shaman, and go to work.

It should go without saying, but make sure your priest is dispelling earth shield as much as possible. Burn your first AR after you see the lock play his nubcoil card, and trinket any fears you might take. Make absolutely sure you have enough energy at all times for a kick, and if you've got a low ping, wait for the heal's cast bar to go past halfway, in case the shaman is faking a heal.

Something you might try is to have your priest friend stand on top of the shaman while you're doing your thing. Since the felpup will most likely be chewing on the priest, there's a good chance you'll spill some decent damage onto the pet. If this ends up being the case, have your priest drop a fearbomb, refresh slice and dice off whatever points you had on the shaman, and kill the felhunter (a couple seconds of your dps along with a SW: death should do the trick).

Updated the quick list of fights summarized. It does not include all tips, but mainly the advice on fights I gave in great detail.

Open to more questions.