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#1 Nov 21 2007 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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There are a few nice improvements we're making to the mage class in patch 2.3.2 (a small patch that will be on the public test realms soon) and we wanted to share them with you. First, we'll start out with two changes affecting all mages. Ice block will become a core ability, trainable by all mages at level 30. Additionally, conjure mana (rank 6) will restore 1800-3000 mana and will now have three charges, meaning you can use it three times before having to create a new one.

To be sure we're clear here, yes, the same cooldown will still apply between usages. :P

Cold snap will be moved to Ice block's position in the talent tree and its cooldown will be reduced. As a side note, it will no longer reset the cooldown on fire ward. Moving in to Cold snap's spot will be a brand new ability called Icy Veins. This new ability will decrease casting time for all spells by 20% and increases the chance that chilling effects freeze the target by 25%. It's an active ability, lasting 20 seconds and has a 3 minute cooldown.


This is very good news. I wonder when 2.3.2 will come out. Hopefully sooner then later.


#2 Nov 21 2007 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oi0v00fzxhzbZxgMz0MZVhb0o

new meaning to 3 min mage. Imagine Cold Snap being replaced by Icy Veins

Edited, Nov 21st 2007 5:16pm by manwithplanx
#3 Nov 21 2007 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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And in replacement a new turbo boost that will have uses in PvP. Boosted polymorph and nuke on focus fire target anyone?
#4 Nov 21 2007 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
The thing I wonder about this new Icy Veins talent is if it will stack up with something like Berserking for a troll.

If it does...GATLING TROLL!
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#5 Nov 21 2007 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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I'm liking this multiple charge gem thing. Heck, they could even not buff it and that alone would make me happy. And the new Icy Veins talent will prove fun for my Horde frost mage.
#6 Nov 21 2007 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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This new ability will decrease casting time for all spells by 20%...


If the CM didn´t misspelled it, maybe some Fire/Arcane build could work very well with this. Some variation from the 10/48/3 to 10/40/11, stacking Molten Fury + Icy Veins can bump the DPS...this is like having spell haste, but without giving up from crit (like the haste gear from ZA does).

On PVP this will help a LOT to focus Fire and re-sheep in a heartbeat.

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#7 Nov 21 2007 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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just making it scale alone would make mana gems more useful from a PvE standpoint. Now u can make one and have 3 goes at it. Makes things easier and ligher on the mana pots =P.

*update on the evocating thing*
Yes using a int stick and a wand with some int on it helps bolster the mana regained back to a more respectable level. The difference is almost negligible.
#8 Nov 22 2007 at 3:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Definatly cool changes

Im definatly going to make an AP / icey veins build, i hope they stack, or least that they stack when the patch comes out on live ;)

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Edited, Nov 22nd 2007 1:00pm by Sjans
#9 Nov 22 2007 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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Sjans wrote:
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Some variation from the 10/48/3 to 10/40/11


No, icey veins will become an 21 pt talent.


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Cold snap will be moved to Ice block's position in the talent tree and its cooldown will be reduced. As a side note, it will no longer reset the cooldown on fire ward. Moving in to Cold snap's spot will be a brand new ability called Icy Veins.


Smiley: dubious
#10 Nov 22 2007 at 4:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Pardon my ignorance, (fairly new), but does a core spell mean that it's just learnable from a trainer and not related to the frost tree?
#11 Nov 22 2007 at 5:24 AM Rating: Good
Reknotz wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, (fairly new), but does a core spell mean that it's just learnable from a trainer and not related to the frost tree?


That is correct
#12 Nov 22 2007 at 5:26 AM Rating: Decent
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In that case.. excellent news :)
#13 Nov 22 2007 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I won't complain about this buff as it will reduce the amount of mana potions I'll have to farm, but I wonder if it's not a bit too much of a buff. Compared to how it used to be this will more than double the amount of mana I can regain from managems during the first six minutes of a fight which seems a bit much.

As for iceblock becoming trainable I wouldn't mind if it had remained a frost only talent, but the replacement seems to be worthwhile enough. Plus reduced cooldown on cold snap is really nice.

All in all the changes look rather promising for my little frost mage.
#14 Nov 22 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
It seems to me like making Ice Block trainable and adding Icy Veins will only give fire mages a little more reason to go a little deeper into frost to get Icy Veins, thus taking away even more from frost mages.

From what I see here Bliz is just slowly going to leak all of frost's special talents away into all the other specs and is going to leave frost dead and dry.

Just my $.02
#15 Nov 22 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Reinish wrote:
It seems to me like making Ice Block trainable and adding Icy Veins will only give fire mages a little more reason to go a little deeper into frost to get Icy Veins, thus taking away even more from frost mages.

From what I see here Bliz is just slowly going to leak all of frost's special talents away into all the other specs and is going to leave frost dead and dry.

Just my $.02


...I'm not sure what you mean. Icy Veins seems like it will be a very handy, popular talent. This does not detract from frost mages- this is a new ability that frost mages can now use.

If more mages pick up frost tree talents for Icy Veins alone, this means that it makes the frost tree more worthwhile. That translates into a buff of the frost tree.

That more mages pick elementalist or hybrid specs does not suck the frost tree dead and dry- it livens it up. The frost tree's special talents are not being leaked into other specs; Ice Block is simply no longer considered a special talent of the frost tree, whereas Icy Veins is.

Why do you frost mages steal my Fire Blast? Why is Blizzard leaking my Evocation to those frost mages?
#16 Nov 27 2007 at 3:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Im pretty dissapointed that blizz gave the frost tree yet another strong pvp talent. Pvp mages already kinda had to spec frost and I was hoping that iceblock for everybody and a nice pve talent in frost would even things out.
Raid-wise the whole frostbite/shatter thing doesnt work so I was hoping for a talent that made up for dps on bosses, something like a special that gives frostbolts a dot-proc for example.
#17 Nov 27 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Icy veins is a pve talent. A decrease in casting time means an overall increase in dps. It will also help in pvp, but I think blizz put this there to make frost mages more viable in raids.
#18 Nov 27 2007 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I rarely run out of mana as frost already. Now, this icey veins will simply improve my DPS and make me need more mana. The new mana gems will cover that problem so that I should not feel much impact except for higher DPS. Will this be enough to get close to a fire mage spec. Only calculations will tell. But if that is the case, then losing iceblock for more DPS will be welcome, if not, then giving iceblock to fire will make me switch to fire in a heartbeat.

In any case, mages are getting a buff and that is good for the class in general.

I forgot to ask if anyone knows if the elemental would be affected by icey veins as well same as it is affected by my trinket?

Edited, Nov 27th 2007 3:27pm by Laroche
#19 Nov 27 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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looks like it might be time for a respec.

This sounds pretty interesting, and with the improved games (and my mana pot habit) the loss of clearcasting might not be so bad. The question is what to take for points 4-10 in frost...
#20 Nov 27 2007 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Krane wrote:
looks like it might be time for a respec.

This sounds pretty interesting, and with the improved games (and my mana pot habit) the loss of clearcasting might not be so bad. The question is what to take for points 4-10 in frost...


Interesting indeed. I might be compelled to take only two points in Imp Frostbolt and switch Imp FN for Frostbite and a couple of points in Ice Shards. But that's just me. Might make Ice Lance somewhat viable for a fire mage, maybe not.

That said, losing those extra two points in Arcane Focus is a pretty big deal for any fire mage trying to tank Krosh Firehand. If you're not your guild mage-tank or backup, no biggie. But woe be to the mage-tank who goes into the HKM fight without as much +hit% for Spellsteal as possible. WOE, I say.

WOE I SAY!
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