Please be gentil, when it comes to PvP i am very inexperienced :P
I recently got an invite from a guild mate to form a 2v2 team. Well, I like the look of some of the available items you can get from PvP so i accepted. This is my first time in the arena ever, and basically the first time doing ANY PvP at 70. I am really not much of a PvP'er. I enjoy PvP fine enough but just don't get around to it on my hunter. Too busy saving up for epic doing dailies and farming ^^. I do BGs with my rog but only about 2 ever on my hunter lol.....what I'm getting at is I am a fricking PvP noobstick.
So...my new 2v2 buddy is a 70 mage. It's actually 2 different mages lol. I pair up with whichever one is available. I know for sure one is a frost mage and I think the other is as well. I am BM spec btw. My toon's name is Nimbis on azuremyst if ya'll would like to critique my gear. I DO NOT brag about my gear. I do solo really well. All blues cept for one or 2 minor items. I really like my boots evn though they are green. They are better than some blues I've seen lol. Anyway. I know my teammates and I really need to gear up to be successful in arena but we are just getting started and need practice as well as gearzzz.
I am not in a guild with a lot of high lvls. We don't do stuff like heroics or big raids that might net some better items so I'm stuck with what i can find on AH , aquire solo, or get from something with a PuG when it comes to gear. I am working hard on my reps in the hopes of getting some stuff that way soon. Not exalted in many places yet though. I have been planning to focus on gear and enchants once i get my flyer. Only 2k gold to go !!! lol
Ok. Had to give you some context. My actual question(s) is/are: any advice on gear? I know i could upgrade if i did instances but PuG = crying baby jesus usually and my guild is not really at endgame position yet.
Now for the arena. Can a mage/hunter team be competitive? We have been about 50/50 the 2 times we have gone so far. The times we go up against melee based teams we usually woop them. Caster based teams we have more trouble with. The main problem seems to be warlocks...what the hell do we do against these bums? We fought the same pally/lock team last night like 8 times and just couldn't do a damned thing against them. I was going down in a matter of seconds to the lock. He would get me with either that life drain crap, and it seemed in some arenas i couldn't get out of range of it, or with that damned curse. He could literally drain the life out of me in a few seconds while I'm trying to run out of range. Even with my pet in BW form pounding on him! If it wasn't the drain life killing me it was him hitting me with that curse. Is there any recourse for that? I had no way of healing from the curse and it would completely kill me even with out taking any other damage. Just the curse by itself would take all my hp before wearing off.
The pally was in full healer mode. He didn't melee at all. We tried killing the pally first. Lock just destroyed us and the pally was not going down quickly. So we tried to focus on the lock and CC the pally. Well sheeping and trapping just didn't last long enough. He would come out of whatever CC we tried so quickly. I know it wasn't a trinket cause of the cooldown factor. He would just come out of CC very quickly. So we waited a few more minutes after the battle so we could hopefully get a different group lol.
Now I'm sure we were outgeared most of the time. Even to teams that we beat. But there has to be a way to deal with warlocks?
Also is voice chat absolutely needed? I had thought before we first started it would be but the battles are so much quicker than I had anticipated that I'm not so sure now.
I know we are undergeared and inexperienced. I know we need to practice. I'm just looking for, actually begging, for any advice you can give on how to improve our technique.
Sorry for the long winded post...seems to always happen whenever i post anything lol.
Thank you for any advice you can give on gear or technique. Hell, thanks for just making it to the bottom of this :P
-Shrub
PS: HAPPY THANKSGIVING....tomorrow ^^
Edited, Nov 22nd 2007 6:37am by Shrubbry
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Caveat: I haven't played Arena yet.
I have PvP'd quite a bit and used to be primarilly on a PvP Server (Firetree). Played a lot of BG stuff.
Locks are tough for most classes. Most of their stuff is instant and Damage over Time (Dot). The only way I had any success of killing locks was to stop them from casting or keep them off balance. Line of Sight loss hurts you, just like it does them, so that's not much help. So really it's just a dps fest. Shut them down and drop them asap. They are a clothie, and the Pally is a slow healing class. Lock is first target by far.
As BM spec, you don't have silencing shot, so concuss and blast away with all you have. If you're lucky, you'll down him first and outlive his DoT's. You don't have a healer so anything you can do to heal yourself, go for it. Then it's a focus fight on the Pally, which takes FOREVER to kill. Your mage will be primary dps there as armor doesn't stop spells. Your job will be to keep the pally off the mage enough for the mage to do their job. So anything in their face, including wingclip, concuss, whatever to slow or stop them.
Others might have better ideas, but this is all I could come up with for you.
I have PvP'd quite a bit and used to be primarilly on a PvP Server (Firetree). Played a lot of BG stuff.
Locks are tough for most classes. Most of their stuff is instant and Damage over Time (Dot). The only way I had any success of killing locks was to stop them from casting or keep them off balance. Line of Sight loss hurts you, just like it does them, so that's not much help. So really it's just a dps fest. Shut them down and drop them asap. They are a clothie, and the Pally is a slow healing class. Lock is first target by far.
As BM spec, you don't have silencing shot, so concuss and blast away with all you have. If you're lucky, you'll down him first and outlive his DoT's. You don't have a healer so anything you can do to heal yourself, go for it. Then it's a focus fight on the Pally, which takes FOREVER to kill. Your mage will be primary dps there as armor doesn't stop spells. Your job will be to keep the pally off the mage enough for the mage to do their job. So anything in their face, including wingclip, concuss, whatever to slow or stop them.
Others might have better ideas, but this is all I could come up with for you.
Well where to start...
Ok, since you just started the arena dont worry about gear, your gonna loose alot until you fall into the rating where your gear is equal. Honestly i wouldnt worry about it. This is what you should do imo..
Just stick it out, save up your points and get your arena gear. You should also start doing bg's alot. This will give you some experience pvp'ing. Granted, arena is different from bg's, but its about as close as your gonna get. Anyways, run the bg's and save your honor and get some of the arena one gear next week when you can buy it with honor and marks.
Another way to get points faster if you have the gold is to reform your arena team every week. this way you will start with a 1500 rating, and even if you loose all of your matches youll still get more points then just sticking it out with a 13something rating. I do this on my alt on a 5v5 team. we get about 330 points weekly, and we loose all 10 games.
I dont know how this strategy wil play out with season 3 however because of the personal rating, but it may still work.
Arena and all pvp is really just experience. Over time you will learn what works and what doesnt against different class combos. As far as 2v2 goes, you probably wont encounter many teams with a healer, and if you do, focus fire the non healer.
Hope this helps you out, and remember, PVE and PVP gear are totally different, so until you have the pvp gear, your gonna loose to the teams that do.
Ok, since you just started the arena dont worry about gear, your gonna loose alot until you fall into the rating where your gear is equal. Honestly i wouldnt worry about it. This is what you should do imo..
Just stick it out, save up your points and get your arena gear. You should also start doing bg's alot. This will give you some experience pvp'ing. Granted, arena is different from bg's, but its about as close as your gonna get. Anyways, run the bg's and save your honor and get some of the arena one gear next week when you can buy it with honor and marks.
Another way to get points faster if you have the gold is to reform your arena team every week. this way you will start with a 1500 rating, and even if you loose all of your matches youll still get more points then just sticking it out with a 13something rating. I do this on my alt on a 5v5 team. we get about 330 points weekly, and we loose all 10 games.
I dont know how this strategy wil play out with season 3 however because of the personal rating, but it may still work.
Arena and all pvp is really just experience. Over time you will learn what works and what doesnt against different class combos. As far as 2v2 goes, you probably wont encounter many teams with a healer, and if you do, focus fire the non healer.
Hope this helps you out, and remember, PVE and PVP gear are totally different, so until you have the pvp gear, your gonna loose to the teams that do.
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I will try to offer some advice.
For starters you may want to dabble with a few macros. I am not at home so I can not see exactly the script, but it will be close.
I use a "I Win" macro, extremely helpful against locks, and Shadow priests.
/use bladefists breath
/cast bloodfury (orc racial ability, if you are not an orc :P )
/cast bestial wrath
/cast rapid fire
so with a couple of keystrokes I will have around 350+ additional attack power, me and my pet can not be feared, and I am doing more damage at a faster rate. Ideally you should be able to take out a lock in the 18 seconds this is going for.
I use a pet attack / hunters mark macro
/cast hunters mark
/petattack
With one keystroke you get the attack power buff from hunters mark + sick your pet to the target.
Kill command / steady shot macro (This macro is a godsend for PvE, and still usefull for PvP)
/cast Kill command
/cast steady shot
Because of the 1.5 second cast time for steady shot, you need to be standing still for this macro, great for burning down casters. Basically spam this button after every auto shot and you will weave steady shot in between. Any time Kill Command is available you will trigger that as well.
So my typical dealing w/ a warlock would be the following:
See warlock and immediately sick pet/hunters mark.
When pet arrives starts chomping on the lock, hit your "I Win" macro. Pet will go postal, you should try to get off an aimed shot if you have it. (for the 50% reduction to healing, this now applies to their drain life ability) Now try to spam your kill command / steady macro. You should be able to take care of a caster this way.
Against Melee the Kill Command/steady shot macro is not as viable. You will need to work on Kiting. Use concussive shot, arcane, multi, etc... Use intimidate as often as it is available.
Luckily after this patch with the greatly reduced deadzone, we will not have as much of an issue w/ frost mages.
I hope this helps
For starters you may want to dabble with a few macros. I am not at home so I can not see exactly the script, but it will be close.
I use a "I Win" macro, extremely helpful against locks, and Shadow priests.
/use bladefists breath
/cast bloodfury (orc racial ability, if you are not an orc :P )
/cast bestial wrath
/cast rapid fire
so with a couple of keystrokes I will have around 350+ additional attack power, me and my pet can not be feared, and I am doing more damage at a faster rate. Ideally you should be able to take out a lock in the 18 seconds this is going for.
I use a pet attack / hunters mark macro
/cast hunters mark
/petattack
With one keystroke you get the attack power buff from hunters mark + sick your pet to the target.
Kill command / steady shot macro (This macro is a godsend for PvE, and still usefull for PvP)
/cast Kill command
/cast steady shot
Because of the 1.5 second cast time for steady shot, you need to be standing still for this macro, great for burning down casters. Basically spam this button after every auto shot and you will weave steady shot in between. Any time Kill Command is available you will trigger that as well.
So my typical dealing w/ a warlock would be the following:
See warlock and immediately sick pet/hunters mark.
When pet arrives starts chomping on the lock, hit your "I Win" macro. Pet will go postal, you should try to get off an aimed shot if you have it. (for the 50% reduction to healing, this now applies to their drain life ability) Now try to spam your kill command / steady macro. You should be able to take care of a caster this way.
Against Melee the Kill Command/steady shot macro is not as viable. You will need to work on Kiting. Use concussive shot, arcane, multi, etc... Use intimidate as often as it is available.
Luckily after this patch with the greatly reduced deadzone, we will not have as much of an issue w/ frost mages.
I hope this helps
Awsome advice Greyhair! Thank you.
I don't have many macros so I'll give yours a try. I think I am panicking and saying to myself, "OMG THIS LOCK IS FRICKING PWNING ME!!", and then he does lol. I probably need to stand fast and try to out pace him.
Thanks again.
-Shrub
I don't have many macros so I'll give yours a try. I think I am panicking and saying to myself, "OMG THIS LOCK IS FRICKING PWNING ME!!", and then he does lol. I probably need to stand fast and try to out pace him.
Thanks again.
-Shrub
I am not sure how it works at level 70, but as a lvl 41 warlock, even if a hunter is about to kill me, I just refresh all my instant dots and they will usually die as well. Now, for how I lose most often is a lock, is that they just put their pet on me and it is attacking so freaking fast that my fear gets interrupted 30 times and the whole time the hunter is putting holes in me.
Do battlegrounds. Lots and lots of battlegrounds. You need the experience. Plus, you need the honor to buy pvp gear. You can't expect to do well in the arena if you have no pvp experience OR pvp gear. Yes, you are going to get owned for the next while. Stick it out and work on the strategy for different team combos while you wait for the honor to build up to buy the gear. As of the 27th you can buy season one gear with honor, so work toward that in addition to the epic bracers/boots/belt/cloak/rings/neck you can already get from the pvp vendor.
I'm a novice at arena as well. But I will answer one of your questions.
Yes, voice chat is essential, IMO. It allows for a quick strategy exchange with your teammate. You don't know your opponents until after the match starts, and until you and your partner(s) know each other like a book, being able to call out who will do what quickly helps a great deal.
Also, it allows you to very quickly adjust to a strategy gone wrong. Seconds matter in arena. Anything that allows you to adapt, and do it quickly is a huge benefit.
Yes, voice chat is essential, IMO. It allows for a quick strategy exchange with your teammate. You don't know your opponents until after the match starts, and until you and your partner(s) know each other like a book, being able to call out who will do what quickly helps a great deal.
Also, it allows you to very quickly adjust to a strategy gone wrong. Seconds matter in arena. Anything that allows you to adapt, and do it quickly is a huge benefit.
Shrubbry wrote:
I am not in a guild with a lot of high lvls. We don't do stuff like heroics or big raids that might net some better items so I'm stuck with what i can find on AH , aquire solo, or get from something with a PuG when it comes to gear. I am working hard on my reps in the hopes of getting some stuff that way soon. Not exalted in many places yet though. I have been planning to focus on gear and enchants once i get my flyer.
My actual question(s) is/are: any advice on gear? I know i could upgrade if i did instances but PuG = crying baby jesus usually and my guild is not really at endgame position yet.
My actual question(s) is/are: any advice on gear? I know i could upgrade if i did instances but PuG = crying baby jesus usually and my guild is not really at endgame position yet.
Shrubbry wrote:
Now for the arena. Can a mage/hunter team be competitive? We have been about 50/50 the 2 times we have gone so far. The times we go up against melee based teams we usually woop them. Caster based teams we have more trouble with. The main problem seems to be warlocks.
The pally was in full healer mode. He didn't melee at all. We tried killing the pally first. Lock just destroyed us and the pally was not going down quickly. So we tried to focus on the lock and CC the pally. Well sheeping and trapping just didn't last long enough. He would come out of whatever CC we tried so quickly. I know it wasn't a trinket cause of the cooldown factor. He would just come out of CC very quickly.
The pally was in full healer mode. He didn't melee at all. We tried killing the pally first. Lock just destroyed us and the pally was not going down quickly. So we tried to focus on the lock and CC the pally. Well sheeping and trapping just didn't last long enough. He would come out of whatever CC we tried so quickly. I know it wasn't a trinket cause of the cooldown factor. He would just come out of CC very quickly.
Well, as for the Arena advice, it isn't really good advice until you have some gear to pull it off. Just by questing, you won't really be Arena ready for a while. BGs however, doesn't really require all that much gear. Head into the BG and just stay with the main pack. You will be racking up kills, and the gear isn't that bad. Once you have geared up a bit with BG PvP rewards, you can start heading into Arenas to really gear yourself up a bit.
However, PvP gear will never be optimal for raids, just so you know.
However, PvP gear will never be optimal for raids, just so you know.
If you want to optimize your talents (with keeping your general spec), look at this and decide what you think is an improvement and what isn't. (this is not mine, so i'm not saying mine is better. I think it just cleans your up a bit for the Arena)
The talents that you were missing and i feel are the most important for you are:
-Imp. Concussive Shot
-Focused Fire
-Go for the Throat
-Aimed Shot (though i don't think you will sacrifice anything to get it)
The talents that you invested in that are doing you the least good are:
-Clever Traps (all CC is capped at 10 seconds in PvP)
-Mend Pet and Imp. Revive Pet (though there's little else to invest in here)
-Catlike Reflexes (the improved damage from Ferocious Inspiration is MUCH better and still helps a great deal in a group setting)
BM is very strong in 2v2, so enjoy it. If you aren't getting directly hit, take advantage of it and weave the Steady Shots inbetween your auto's. Remeber than Arcane Shot damage isnt reduced my armor and that it debuffs now. If you think that new talent spec is taking away from your ability to use your traps in PvE, go enjoy The Steamvaults and get the Leg and Shoulder pieces from the Beast Lord set (to get your trap CD down 4 seconds), and it'll get your rep up so you can start doing Heroics. I can't see what arrows you are using, but this rep will also get you some very decent ones from the rep vendor in the Cenarion town.
Get either 70 AP or 35 Agi on the axe (nice choice btw).
As BM you want AP gems for PvE, but Agi (and of course stamina!!!) for PvP. The Balanced Nighsteyes and Shifting Nightseyes are great since they will help you in both. Grab some S1 gloves this tuesday so you can get the stamina and the multi-shot bonus. After that, i would say your chest piece is next to go (pvp speaking. i love it for pve) so you can put pure dmg gems in the felstalker for solo and 5-mans while you put the Nightseyes in the PvP. Or you can get the bracers, shoulders, legs, or hat, depending on what you are more attached to.
In PvP: ALWAYS remember flares, traps, stings, and wing clip. You can look on wowwiki for hunter macros. My favorite is:
/cast Raptor Strike
/cast Wing Clip
just spam that when someone is getting upclose and you have a nice 500+ dmg wing clip.
Have fun in the arena and happy thanksgiving!!
P.S. There's a drum set you can start making at 365 LW which should get you up and the mats are dirt cheap. May be Drums of War, but im not sure.
The talents that you were missing and i feel are the most important for you are:
-Imp. Concussive Shot
-Focused Fire
-Go for the Throat
-Aimed Shot (though i don't think you will sacrifice anything to get it)
The talents that you invested in that are doing you the least good are:
-Clever Traps (all CC is capped at 10 seconds in PvP)
-Mend Pet and Imp. Revive Pet (though there's little else to invest in here)
-Catlike Reflexes (the improved damage from Ferocious Inspiration is MUCH better and still helps a great deal in a group setting)
BM is very strong in 2v2, so enjoy it. If you aren't getting directly hit, take advantage of it and weave the Steady Shots inbetween your auto's. Remeber than Arcane Shot damage isnt reduced my armor and that it debuffs now. If you think that new talent spec is taking away from your ability to use your traps in PvE, go enjoy The Steamvaults and get the Leg and Shoulder pieces from the Beast Lord set (to get your trap CD down 4 seconds), and it'll get your rep up so you can start doing Heroics. I can't see what arrows you are using, but this rep will also get you some very decent ones from the rep vendor in the Cenarion town.
Get either 70 AP or 35 Agi on the axe (nice choice btw).
As BM you want AP gems for PvE, but Agi (and of course stamina!!!) for PvP. The Balanced Nighsteyes and Shifting Nightseyes are great since they will help you in both. Grab some S1 gloves this tuesday so you can get the stamina and the multi-shot bonus. After that, i would say your chest piece is next to go (pvp speaking. i love it for pve) so you can put pure dmg gems in the felstalker for solo and 5-mans while you put the Nightseyes in the PvP. Or you can get the bracers, shoulders, legs, or hat, depending on what you are more attached to.
In PvP: ALWAYS remember flares, traps, stings, and wing clip. You can look on wowwiki for hunter macros. My favorite is:
/cast Raptor Strike
/cast Wing Clip
just spam that when someone is getting upclose and you have a nice 500+ dmg wing clip.
Have fun in the arena and happy thanksgiving!!
P.S. There's a drum set you can start making at 365 LW which should get you up and the mats are dirt cheap. May be Drums of War, but im not sure.
Rate up Duky. Thanks for the advice!
I have to admit I'm a little attached to my build lol. I guess if I get dedicated to arena i will have to respec for arena and then for other stuff. It just works so great for the solo play which is pretty much all I have been doing. My routine is to hop on my hunter, go do the 6 dailies i have access to, check AH, then hop on my rog for some lvling.
I have been spending more time on my hunter lately. I think I'll take the advice to BG until I can get the gear from BG vendors. Can you suggest any specific pieces i should focus on first?
Thanks for the responses,
-Shrub
I have to admit I'm a little attached to my build lol. I guess if I get dedicated to arena i will have to respec for arena and then for other stuff. It just works so great for the solo play which is pretty much all I have been doing. My routine is to hop on my hunter, go do the 6 dailies i have access to, check AH, then hop on my rog for some lvling.
I have been spending more time on my hunter lately. I think I'll take the advice to BG until I can get the gear from BG vendors. Can you suggest any specific pieces i should focus on first?
Thanks for the responses,
-Shrub
I'd suggest getting the cloak and the ring first (and the trinket if you don't have it), because these these won't be replaced by arena gear when you've got the points for it. The ring is getting a reduced cost next patch though, so only bother if you're nearing the honour cap.
After Tuesday's patch, I'd then focus on the Vindicator's Chain belt, boots and bracers (that order seems to benefit you most), then the new vindicator ring and necklace for the same reason. By this time you're probably so sick of running AV constantly you want to die, so focus on arena and doing a few heroics :P
Levelling leatherworking is a lot easier than it used to be with its reduced mats and rep requirement for drums (*grumble*) so get the patterns from the Sha'tar and Keepers of Time available at honoured. Ebon Netherscale Chest has a good amount of sta, and blue sockets for adding more in :)
After Tuesday's patch, I'd then focus on the Vindicator's Chain belt, boots and bracers (that order seems to benefit you most), then the new vindicator ring and necklace for the same reason. By this time you're probably so sick of running AV constantly you want to die, so focus on arena and doing a few heroics :P
Levelling leatherworking is a lot easier than it used to be with its reduced mats and rep requirement for drums (*grumble*) so get the patterns from the Sha'tar and Keepers of Time available at honoured. Ebon Netherscale Chest has a good amount of sta, and blue sockets for adding more in :)
Let me correct a few misconceptions about arena being bandied about in this thread.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Let me correct a few misconceptions about arena being bandied about in this thread.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
I have to call shenanigans on this.
If 2 equally skilled teams meet, the vast majority of the time, the better geared team will win. That's a fact.
Yes, a lesser geared team can beat a better geared team if they have more skill and/or teamwork/strategy. However, coming up on Season 3 now, any team playing for longer than a season is fully arena geared, making it far more likely that a newcomer to arena will get slaughtered. Yes, they can still beat the bad teams, but any halfway decently geared team with any skill at all will torch them.
Maybe in the days of Season 1, or beginning of Season 2 you could get away with all PvE gear and reach 1800. Not anymore.
I agree that skill > gear, but Epic pvp gear with some skill >> knowing how to pvp with your class and having crap for pvp gear...
This is not me saying that skill wont get you wear you need to go, but you need to use that skill and invest some time into getting good gear too. Otherwise you'll get runover by those with twice your hp and dps who are 12.
EDIT: ...mispelled "where". Now i feel bad.
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:04pm by DukyFrodo
This is not me saying that skill wont get you wear you need to go, but you need to use that skill and invest some time into getting good gear too. Otherwise you'll get runover by those with twice your hp and dps who are 12.
EDIT: ...mispelled "where". Now i feel bad.
Edited, Nov 26th 2007 8:04pm by DukyFrodo
Steelray wrote:
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Let me correct a few misconceptions about arena being bandied about in this thread.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
I have to call shenanigans on this.
If 2 equally skilled teams meet, the vast majority of the time, the better geared team will win. That's a fact.
Yes, a lesser geared team can beat a better geared team if they have more skill and/or teamwork/strategy. However, coming up on Season 3 now, any team playing for longer than a season is fully arena geared, making it far more likely that a newcomer to arena will get slaughtered. Yes, they can still beat the bad teams, but any halfway decently geared team with any skill at all will torch them.
Maybe in the days of Season 1, or beginning of Season 2 you could get away with all PvE gear and reach 1800. Not anymore.
Wow, you must be some kind of genius!
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
1600 is cake. 1700 is easy. 1800 is doable with minimal arena gear, as I've proved on my rogue.
On the other hand, most people are inept at PvP and thus have problems maintaining more than a 1500 rating.
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Let me correct a few misconceptions about arena being bandied about in this thread.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
Holy **** dude.... Your back!
Caldone the Shady wrote:
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Let me correct a few misconceptions about arena being bandied about in this thread.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
If you have skill, it's not hard to get to 1800 with bad gear. Once you get there, it's going to be harder, but still doable to get to 1900.
If you don't have skill or know your class, you're probably not going to be able to do much.
Sadly, most people don't have skill, so they think everyone needs gear to do well in arena.
Holy @#%^ dude.... Your back!
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