So I finally hit 60 on my warrior and decided after some really long discussions with friends. I wanted to tank instances, but I also wanted to solo at the same time.
Originally, I was a DW/Fury spec and loved it. Haven't leveled a warrior easier than this one here before. Once I hit outlands though that all changed. I would die to adds every other fight. Now my gear was outdated, but shouldn't have been too messed up. However even after gearing up after a few quests I should have had an easier time with it, but it was still a problem for me.
At that point I switched to a prot spec, so far a 0/5/46. I don't know what's happening, but since I've respecced I haven't solo'd easier than I am now. I am blowing through quests that were a problem for my hunter and mage when I was taking them to 70. Haven't started instancing yet but will in the next few nights. All I can say is Damn!
So why was this? I read all through the forums and a lot of people suggested fury to 70 before specing to prot, said it would be an easier time leveling. Maybe I was just a bad fury warrior.
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Im a bit bias on this topic since i leveled from 60-70 Prot so take what i say with that in mind.
I found leveling Prot easy. Sure i didnt kill things nearly as fast as an Arms or Fury warrior but i also took TONS less damage. Since you said you died alot to adds that is where the difference might be. As Prot would grind or Quest DW but when adds came or i got into trouble i popped out the shield and just stoped taking damage and eventually just wore the mobs down. Now with the improved changes to Devistate i tear through mobs while DW or 1h.
That could verywell be the difference your seeing is the fact that your not taking as much dmg (if your using a shield) but your also taking longer to kill the mobs it just doesnt seem that different. (if you where to time the kill with Prot with the time spent when your where Fury you would see the difference)
So i guess im saying, have fun, i did leveling as Prot, may have took longer but i didnt die.
I found leveling Prot easy. Sure i didnt kill things nearly as fast as an Arms or Fury warrior but i also took TONS less damage. Since you said you died alot to adds that is where the difference might be. As Prot would grind or Quest DW but when adds came or i got into trouble i popped out the shield and just stoped taking damage and eventually just wore the mobs down. Now with the improved changes to Devistate i tear through mobs while DW or 1h.
That could verywell be the difference your seeing is the fact that your not taking as much dmg (if your using a shield) but your also taking longer to kill the mobs it just doesnt seem that different. (if you where to time the kill with Prot with the time spent when your where Fury you would see the difference)
So i guess im saying, have fun, i did leveling as Prot, may have took longer but i didnt die.
I switched from Arms to Prot at level 70.
I don't seem to be killing mobs off THAT much slower, if at all.
I stay in Prot form with my shield 100 percent of the time.
That way whether I am soloing, in a small group, or in an instance, the buttons are all in the same place. Especially in an instance where you don't have time to make sure you are hitting the right buttons... you need to KNOW which number is for which skill.
I may (or may not) be killing slower when I solo.
But I am ok with that.
I don't seem to be killing mobs off THAT much slower, if at all.
I stay in Prot form with my shield 100 percent of the time.
That way whether I am soloing, in a small group, or in an instance, the buttons are all in the same place. Especially in an instance where you don't have time to make sure you are hitting the right buttons... you need to KNOW which number is for which skill.
I may (or may not) be killing slower when I solo.
But I am ok with that.
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So why was this? I read all through the forums and a lot of people suggested fury to 70 before specing to prot, said it would be an easier time leveling. Maybe I was just a bad fury warrior.
Nah, not a bad Fury Warrior, just did not have the +hit stuff yet. Around 60'ish I think was when I really started seeing the good armor.
I miss soloing as Fury. I've been just doing the non-fighting dailies. Sketties bombing one. I did the prisoner escort, which I almost died on, as fury I'd have rocked them. Cooking quests and stuff.
+hit really helps the rage flow, and you'll not miss as much... which kills the mobs faster.
If you want to level as Protect, go for it. As others have said, it'll be a bit slower. I personally don't like Protect leveling... which is why my mount money is slowly going away (off set by instance earnings), but never the less, my gold is going down...not up XD
I have a Hunter to fall back on for farming tho. Not decked out, but I can still run thru mobs like nothing.
PvP is nice as Protect. Concus blow stuns the player for 6? seconds. It's so good that I'll charge at a guy on a mount, Concus him and me and my team kill him before he unstuns. Killing someone on a mount just makes me laugh for some reason.
Try it out, if you like it, keep going. Worst case you're losing a bit of gold on a respec. Keep the +hit stuff in mind tho. You have not really gotten to the good armor yet XD
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I switched from Arms to Prot at level 70.
I don't seem to be killing mobs off THAT much slower, if at all.
I stay in Prot form with my shield 100 percent of the time.
That way whether I am soloing, in a small group, or in an instance, the buttons are all in the same place. Especially in an instance where you don't have time to make sure you are hitting the right buttons... you need to KNOW which number is for which skill.
I may (or may not) be killing slower when I solo.
But I am ok with that.
I don't seem to be killing mobs off THAT much slower, if at all.
I stay in Prot form with my shield 100 percent of the time.
That way whether I am soloing, in a small group, or in an instance, the buttons are all in the same place. Especially in an instance where you don't have time to make sure you are hitting the right buttons... you need to KNOW which number is for which skill.
I may (or may not) be killing slower when I solo.
But I am ok with that.
how much AP/+hit/+crit do you have in your dps gear? there should be a considerable difference in kill time depending on how good your dps gear is. you can offset this by wearing your dps gear and spamming WW and slam.
Ahhh thats what my problem was.
Its not that my prot dps is good.
Its that my dps when I was arms was substandard.
I guess it couldn't have been TOO horrible since it got me to level 70 :)
I don't have separate equipment sets at this time.
Well I have never had separate equipment sets.
Up until now my plan was to have just one set... my tanking set.
I guess I may have to rethink this idea.
Its not that my prot dps is good.
Its that my dps when I was arms was substandard.
I guess it couldn't have been TOO horrible since it got me to level 70 :)
I don't have separate equipment sets at this time.
Well I have never had separate equipment sets.
Up until now my plan was to have just one set... my tanking set.
I guess I may have to rethink this idea.
Rethink it! Do it now! The difference between dps gear and tank gear when you're soloing is night and day. In tank gear I can kill two or three mobs before they can kill me through shear attrition. In dps gear, I can rip through those same mobs in half the time.
I've found that it's quicker for me to dual-wield and just spam Devastate and Whirlwind than to keep my shield on and Shield Slam. But I do have 1.4k AP (1.7k with Battle Shout), 9.5% Hit and 21% Crit (24% in zerker) in my dps gear, though my health drops to about 9k. The other Prot warrior in the guild can't stand to dual-wield or use a 2H, he sword and boards the whole time.
I've found that it's quicker for me to dual-wield and just spam Devastate and Whirlwind than to keep my shield on and Shield Slam. But I do have 1.4k AP (1.7k with Battle Shout), 9.5% Hit and 21% Crit (24% in zerker) in my dps gear, though my health drops to about 9k. The other Prot warrior in the guild can't stand to dual-wield or use a 2H, he sword and boards the whole time.
One set? I had one set up to level 20 hwen I got my first shield and 1 Her to tank deadmines.
Let me think
1. DPS gear (Fury and Arms separatly :P)
2 Tank gear
3 PvP gear
4 Fire res set
5 Nature res set
6. partial arcane res set and frost res set and a bit of shadow res set
7. sub fishing/riding gear
Thats why I have 2 alts just to keep enough bank slots.
As for soloing with prot specc - yeah it is hard to die.
You cannot be suprised that you solo better in protection specc if you have gear only for protection...
Grinding/questing in DPS mode is more dangerous but MUCH MUCH MUCH faster and eficient as long as you do it well. And if you find a resto druid or holy priest who needs help in grinding ........ keep him for a week or two and go buy your epic flying mount :P.
That is why Main Tanks for end game guilds respec to DPS in none raid days to grind mats/pots/money.
Let me think
1. DPS gear (Fury and Arms separatly :P)
2 Tank gear
3 PvP gear
4 Fire res set
5 Nature res set
6. partial arcane res set and frost res set and a bit of shadow res set
7. sub fishing/riding gear
Thats why I have 2 alts just to keep enough bank slots.
As for soloing with prot specc - yeah it is hard to die.
You cannot be suprised that you solo better in protection specc if you have gear only for protection...
Grinding/questing in DPS mode is more dangerous but MUCH MUCH MUCH faster and eficient as long as you do it well. And if you find a resto druid or holy priest who needs help in grinding ........ keep him for a week or two and go buy your epic flying mount :P.
That is why Main Tanks for end game guilds respec to DPS in none raid days to grind mats/pots/money.
I too found a marginal improvement with my protection spec in PVE. There are a lot of tradeoffs that really support this:
1. In fury, you generate more rage, but in protection everything costs less (if you have Focused Rage maxed out).
2. If you maintain a dual-wield setup, you get a 10% damage boost with both weapons if you fill up One-Handed Weapon Specialization. Factor in the 10% strength bonus from Vitality, which gives a corresponding 10% boost to attack power, and there's much more damage possible.
3. Concussion Blow. That add that just pulled in? Stun him, finish the first mob, and then rock the stunned one.
4. Sheer survivability with Vitality. 10% more armor, 5% more stamina? Yes, please!
I've never bought into the thought that Prot makes for a weak levelling or PVE experience. The other trees are admittedly better for rage generation and efficient damage, but when you're tanking the higher instances and really need a protection spec, with the right DPS gear (and you MUST have DPS gear to be successful outside of an instance) you can still do serious damage in PVE.
1. In fury, you generate more rage, but in protection everything costs less (if you have Focused Rage maxed out).
2. If you maintain a dual-wield setup, you get a 10% damage boost with both weapons if you fill up One-Handed Weapon Specialization. Factor in the 10% strength bonus from Vitality, which gives a corresponding 10% boost to attack power, and there's much more damage possible.
3. Concussion Blow. That add that just pulled in? Stun him, finish the first mob, and then rock the stunned one.
4. Sheer survivability with Vitality. 10% more armor, 5% more stamina? Yes, please!
I've never bought into the thought that Prot makes for a weak levelling or PVE experience. The other trees are admittedly better for rage generation and efficient damage, but when you're tanking the higher instances and really need a protection spec, with the right DPS gear (and you MUST have DPS gear to be successful outside of an instance) you can still do serious damage in PVE.
Prot DPS can be considerable, but NOTHING compared to true Fury DPS.
You can not beat Flurry, BT, Imp Berserker Stance (-10% threat and +10% ap), and rampage, with prot talents.
I'm still working out the details about devastate DPS, and it's implications for raid DPS.
But I will tell you right now, you generate massive threat if you put on duel wield dps gear and spam devastate every cooldown.
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On curator, I was specced prot, and we had a pali, specced prot.
The pali wanted to tank curator, and so my raid leader let them, and had me do hateful bolt tanking duty. (which btw, is not needed, and kinda pointless. I had a few arguments over this with the raid leaders every time we did curator.)
I stood behind curator, in my arcane resist set, with the other pieces filled with sta/dps gear. So I had around 2000 AP, 12000 HP, and 300 AR raid buffed. Put on my Vindicators brand and gladiator s1 OH, and started staying below the tank on threat by 5%. I was dealing ok DPS, but I also was in defensive stance, and trying to TPS.
But when curator evocated, i switched to zerker, started spamming the boss with dps (devastate). Which made me pull agro from the tank, I was 50% ahead of the tank (i got focues on the DPS... what can I say, /chuckle) when evocation ended.
The tank COULD not get that much threat back. I just stood their. Put on a shield, and waited. And eventually died, right before the 2nd evocation.
You can not beat Flurry, BT, Imp Berserker Stance (-10% threat and +10% ap), and rampage, with prot talents.
I'm still working out the details about devastate DPS, and it's implications for raid DPS.
But I will tell you right now, you generate massive threat if you put on duel wield dps gear and spam devastate every cooldown.
-Story Time-
On curator, I was specced prot, and we had a pali, specced prot.
The pali wanted to tank curator, and so my raid leader let them, and had me do hateful bolt tanking duty. (which btw, is not needed, and kinda pointless. I had a few arguments over this with the raid leaders every time we did curator.)
I stood behind curator, in my arcane resist set, with the other pieces filled with sta/dps gear. So I had around 2000 AP, 12000 HP, and 300 AR raid buffed. Put on my Vindicators brand and gladiator s1 OH, and started staying below the tank on threat by 5%. I was dealing ok DPS, but I also was in defensive stance, and trying to TPS.
But when curator evocated, i switched to zerker, started spamming the boss with dps (devastate). Which made me pull agro from the tank, I was 50% ahead of the tank (i got focues on the DPS... what can I say, /chuckle) when evocation ended.
The tank COULD not get that much threat back. I just stood their. Put on a shield, and waited. And eventually died, right before the 2nd evocation.
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The tank COULD not get that much threat back. I just stood their. Put on a shield, and waited. And eventually died, right before the 2nd evocation.
Hehehe....truly awesome, man. If only that awesome Pally tank could have Taunted to get his aggro back ;) One of the many reasons I still love my Warrior for being the truly versatile tank that he is!
i found i did more dps as ms/sword specced 66 warrior than as a decently geared 70 protection warrior.
i prefer quicker fights with liberal bandage use to the snoozefest that was protection grinding.
i prefer quicker fights with liberal bandage use to the snoozefest that was protection grinding.
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If only that awesome Pally tank could have Taunted to get his aggro back ;)
Too bad taunting bosses is nigh impossible in most situations.
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