I've come up with this build and I would really appreciate your opinion on it.
Basically looking to run Aff with my Imp as my battery, while spamming SBs as DoTs run down.
Viable, useful, wasted points anywhere?
Thanks!
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They will probably ask you what you need it for, PvP, raiding, soloing and so on.
I would say why not try it :)
Not that you cant respec few times and see how you like it.
I just respecced into most impossible solo PvE build and who would imagine, after few days feeling like a feeble baby in craddle I am actually starting to farm stuff almost as efficient as demo.
Even with measle FSW and Battlecast I managed 5-6k SB crits and I love saccing VW for hp regen. I would never say I could farm stuff like this with so little downtime.
Guess I just had too much of pets, playing hunter lately and all, and I am having very much fun in playing lock without a pet.
I am sure any of our resident raiding locks here would pull their hair out if they saw my gear, spec and playstyle, but who cares I am finally having fun again :)
Give it a try, what may be perfect for someone else may not suit you at all when you actually start to play it.
I would say why not try it :)
Not that you cant respec few times and see how you like it.
I just respecced into most impossible solo PvE build and who would imagine, after few days feeling like a feeble baby in craddle I am actually starting to farm stuff almost as efficient as demo.
Even with measle FSW and Battlecast I managed 5-6k SB crits and I love saccing VW for hp regen. I would never say I could farm stuff like this with so little downtime.
Guess I just had too much of pets, playing hunter lately and all, and I am having very much fun in playing lock without a pet.
I am sure any of our resident raiding locks here would pull their hair out if they saw my gear, spec and playstyle, but who cares I am finally having fun again :)
Give it a try, what may be perfect for someone else may not suit you at all when you actually start to play it.
shadow embrace is kind of useless now from what i heard, i'd probably move those to improved curse of agony. Thats just me other people probably have better ideas.
And improved life tap is a waste if ya got dark pact
Moving those 4 points from those 2 to suppression might help with the higher lvl things not sure
And improved life tap is a waste if ya got dark pact
Moving those 4 points from those 2 to suppression might help with the higher lvl things not sure
As Sethy said, it really depends on what your using it for, PvP, Raiding or Farming. That however is pretty close to a basic all around good build that you can do just about anything with.
Personally, I think any Warlcok build should include Demonic Embrace. Extra +Sta is good no matter what your doing. Also, Shadow Embrace is really an all or none talent after the pathch IMO. Just having 1/5 there no longer triggers the effect on Soul Siphon, so unless your going for the Damage Reduction don't put any there. If you are going for the Damage Reduction I don't think it's worth it unless you go 5/5.
Personally, I think any Warlcok build should include Demonic Embrace. Extra +Sta is good no matter what your doing. Also, Shadow Embrace is really an all or none talent after the pathch IMO. Just having 1/5 there no longer triggers the effect on Soul Siphon, so unless your going for the Damage Reduction don't put any there. If you are going for the Damage Reduction I don't think it's worth it unless you go 5/5.
Inoperante wrote:
I've come up with this build and I would really appreciate your opinion on it.
Basically looking to run Aff with my Imp as my battery, while spamming SBs as DoTs run down.
Viable, useful, wasted points anywhere?
Thanks!
Basically looking to run Aff with my Imp as my battery, while spamming SBs as DoTs run down.
Viable, useful, wasted points anywhere?
Thanks!
Depending on what you're planning to do with it, I'd say it looks like a fairly standard Affliction build. Just a couple of thoughts for point spread depending on your style of game-play:
Shadowburn is handy in PvP as a nice finishing move, so if you plan on it, I'd say keep it. End-game raids, however, you might not find it as useful as something else.
Other talents that might be beneficial would be a few points in Suppression to minimize, if only a little, your spells being resisted. It can apply to both raiding or PvP, but again it depends on whether you think it would be useful for you or not.
The two points in Shadow Embrace can be argued for their effectiveness, since a lot of people will only put one, but hard-core raiders sometimes max it out since 5% less damage can add up in long boss fights like Gruul, Lady Vaj, etc. With tanks taking less damage, healers will heal a little less and that can help with their mana efficiency. But again, that's normally seen in long fights and not so much the speedy tank and spank ones or PvP.
The only other thing that you might want to think about for what type of gaming you're doing is the Improved Healthstone. Raiding guilds tend to like having the "good" HS when you fire up the Soul Well, but depending on how many warlocks are in the raid, you may be able to swap those into something like Demonic Embrace. Added Stam is always good for when you're getting beat on (or when spamming Life Tap), but if you're looking out for the team more than not, maybe you keep the ImpHS.
Anyways, that is a long winded way of saying that for the most part there don't seem to be a lot of holes in your build, but there are areas you can always move points around to meet your raiding or PvPing needs. Best of luck out there.
Edited, Nov 21st 2007 2:45pm by CobraMisfit
Funny, I thought there is more in PvE than raiding..... hm what have I been spending my months into, I dont raid and I dont PvP.
There must be different WoWs around.
There must be different WoWs around.
Sethy wrote:
Funny, I thought there is more in PvE than raiding..... hm what have I been spending my months into, I dont raid and I dont PvP.
There must be different WoWs around.
There must be different WoWs around.
Good point. I assumed the OP was looking to either end-game raid or PvP, which does leave out PvE. I prefer raiding and sometimes forget that there are other ways to play the game. Oops!
Scholar
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Ur build sounds very good, i would only take 1 point from Shadow Embrace (you just need one point to trigger the Soul Siphon effect) and if you went down the Demo tree, get Demonic Aegis, otherwise its not worth it (depends on your playstyle although).
Ah, for the ones who told Shadow Embrace doesn't trigger effects, it DOES trigger the Soul Siphon effect, it doesn't count as a spell to trigger other effects, just like the Spellstrike effect, Darkmoon Card: Crusade effect, etc. So it still very good to have 1 point on it.
Ah, for the ones who told Shadow Embrace doesn't trigger effects, it DOES trigger the Soul Siphon effect, it doesn't count as a spell to trigger other effects, just like the Spellstrike effect, Darkmoon Card: Crusade effect, etc. So it still very good to have 1 point on it.
Good points,all.
If it makes any difference, and I AM interested, I'll be mainly farming/solo questing and PvP-ing. No raids as yet. That's why I went for Shadowburn.
As for the points in Shadow Embrace, that was a toss up with Imp. CoA to get UA. I can easily swap those around if you think it suits what I have in mind better.
Early on in my 'Locking career I had Shadowburn and found it a very good finisher. Imp HS is there because I DO plan on 5-manning a lot too, and it's useful for the tank.
So with THIS info - and assuming I switch Embrace to Imp. CoA - your last thoughts?
And thanks again, I really appreciate the input.
If it makes any difference, and I AM interested, I'll be mainly farming/solo questing and PvP-ing. No raids as yet. That's why I went for Shadowburn.
As for the points in Shadow Embrace, that was a toss up with Imp. CoA to get UA. I can easily swap those around if you think it suits what I have in mind better.
Early on in my 'Locking career I had Shadowburn and found it a very good finisher. Imp HS is there because I DO plan on 5-manning a lot too, and it's useful for the tank.
So with THIS info - and assuming I switch Embrace to Imp. CoA - your last thoughts?
And thanks again, I really appreciate the input.
Scholar
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If it were me, i would go like this one:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRrkqtbocxZxx0z
Demonic Embrace is WAY better than Fel Intellect, because we already have Dark Pack and Imp. Life Tap, so we dont need much mana at all, but more hp WILL be always good. So i'd taken points from Imp. HS and put on Imp. Imp cuz ur going to use it since he have the best mana regen of all pets, giving you more stamina! If you didn't liked, change the demo build only, the rest r very good to lvl / some pvp (although i would prefer Malediction, but that is for raid only hehe) and shadowburn is a very good finisher!
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRrkqtbocxZxx0z
Demonic Embrace is WAY better than Fel Intellect, because we already have Dark Pack and Imp. Life Tap, so we dont need much mana at all, but more hp WILL be always good. So i'd taken points from Imp. HS and put on Imp. Imp cuz ur going to use it since he have the best mana regen of all pets, giving you more stamina! If you didn't liked, change the demo build only, the rest r very good to lvl / some pvp (although i would prefer Malediction, but that is for raid only hehe) and shadowburn is a very good finisher!
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This is what you want: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IAMrVRfzqtbobxZxx0z
Shadow Embrace is useless after 2.3
Suppression is more useful than improved CoA
Shadow Embrace is useless after 2.3
Suppression is more useful than improved CoA
Scholar
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Shadow Embrace isn't useless, it doesn't trigger effects like the Spelltrike set one or Darkmoon Card: Crusade, but still affect Soul Siphon (and i've done tests with SE so i know what i'm saying).
Suppression only affect affliction talents, its good, but you can't count on it if you go to raids, cuz ur main attack will still be SB. So its way better getting hit capped (202) then just capping affliction spells and miss a lot with SB.
Suppression only affect affliction talents, its good, but you can't count on it if you go to raids, cuz ur main attack will still be SB. So its way better getting hit capped (202) then just capping affliction spells and miss a lot with SB.
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Are you sure that SE still affects soul siphon/drain life? The patch notes for 2.3 said it would no longer trigger affects. Was that wrong?
Scholar
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No no, i got the same trouble as you when i was testing it, but in fact, it was counting as a spell to trigger effects of some sets and itens, like the Darkmoon Card, and they removed it, but still affect soul siphon...
Do what i did, put UA on a monster and drain life, then put Corruption which activade Shadow Embrace and drain them and u will see that stills affect Soul Siphon :)
Do what i did, put UA on a monster and drain life, then put Corruption which activade Shadow Embrace and drain them and u will see that stills affect Soul Siphon :)
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