GEMS for sockets - ap / agi / crit / etc ???Follow

Stop measuring in TTDPS. It's a worthless way to decide whether to regem or not. TTDPS does not reflect to your effective DPS since its formula is [(Min damage + Max damage) / 2 / Speed].

I did a spreadsheet with only damage from Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Multi-Shot and Arcane Shot. I did factor in Mortal Shots, and even with 3500 AP and 20 crit, agi wasn't better than AP. The Cap for SS was just under 2.8k AP. The cap for Multi was just under 2.1k AP.

Now, as long as both SS and Auto get more benefit from AP than from agi, you're better off with AP, since those two are about 70% of your DPS together.

Oh, and pets scale better with AP than with crit, since there's a CD on KC.

I'll try out the Cheeky spreadsheet, but don't just pull the "You're wrong" line. I've proved you wrong with more accurate maths, either you do the same or you have to accept that I'm right.

I've taken into account Mortal Shots, which is the only talent of any significance to a BM hunter (Other AP scaling talents are deeper in the MM tree).


What my calculations do is calculate REAL DPS. You've already made your point about TTDPS. However, I proved (with accurate maths, that you haven't found a flaw in yet) that EVERY ability you use except Multi-Shot scales better with AP than with AGI in the case I used (which was over 300 TTDPS). Now, if EVERY ability gets more damage from AP, how can AGI be better? If you can answer that legitimately I'll reconsider.



I'm not ignoring anything. What you have to think about is that you didn't make this spreadsheet. So you can't be 100% sure it's right, since all the formulas are hidden in there. The formulas I bring to the table are out there, visible for anyone to check (and double check). Go through them and see if you find a flaw, I haven't yet. I also know they're right because I made them.


When did I say that? I've never said I don't understand. Merely that I don't agree, which isn't the same thing.

I DID address your math though:

Now, if I wasn't clear enough about this the first time: All TTDPS does is measure the DPS if your un-critting auto-shots (formulas are above, if you disagree find that the formula stands for something else and why).

What you have to ask yourself is: Do you do your TTDPS in raids? Hopefully a lot higher. So, does TTDPS REALLY reflect anything reliable onto your effective DPS? Not since there isn't any ability-formulas in TTDPS. Not since there's no Shot Rotation in TTDPS.



I'm not ignoring what you're saying, I'm saying your wrong. Give me an example of talents which should be implemented into my math. Also take notice that I did this for BM hunters, since that's what I play and since that's what more people play in raids now-a-days.


Sigh... Fine, I'll make another calculation here, be I wrong or right.

- 3 500 AP.
- 20% crit. (Effective 23% with Mortal Shots)
- Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix (169 - 314 Damage Speed 2.90)

[((169 + 314) / 2) + (3 500 * 2.9 / 14)] = [241.5 + 725] = 966.5
[966.5 * 1.23] = 1188.795 (~1189).

Add 80 AP:

- 3 580 AP.
- 20% crit. (23%)
- Same Bow.

[((169 + 314) / 2) + (3 580 * 2.9 / 14)] = 983.07143.
[983.07143 * 1.23] = 1209.1779 (~1209).

Add 40 agi:

- 3 540 AP.
- 21% crit. (24.15%)
- Same Bow.

[((169 + 314) / 2) + (3 540 * 2.9 / 14)] = 974.78571.
[974.78571 * 1.2415] = 1210.1965 (~1210).

Alright, in this case the agi case wins by roughly 1 DPS (it didn't in my spreadsheet though, I'll doublecheck that...)

Find a flaw in these mats if you can. And if you think I've been fuzzy about this before: Your flaw that I found in your mats: You do not calculate how each ability scales with AP and AGI. This is essential, since your abilities are more than half your DPS.


Edit: Quote fix.

Edit: Math misstype.

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 9:39pm by Utarius

no you dont, cause i want to know wich one is correct..... >:(

Or just use my rule of thumb:

10 person raids - Stack AP
25 person raids - Stack AGI

Unless you're geared for higher or lower environments this rule of thumb will serve you very well.

Edit: For clarities sake, this assumes a BM Hunter. SV should stack AGI in both cases, and MM I have done no calculations regarding, but MM has some decent AP scaling Talents.

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 10:40pm by Kompera