so it seems im doing the 3v3 and 5v5 thing nowFollow

TBH 1600 is just plain average.

If you get to 1800-1900 in 5v5 then I think we can start saying that ShS is viable, but I've gotten to 1600+ 5v5 with an enhancement shaman geared for PvE. It's really not hard.

I just started a 3v3 last night. I forgot how awesome the 3v3 queues were... basically instant.

Went 7-4 on a brand new team with one person unable to talk on vent. I feel pretty good about it, and come next season when i'll have mace spec(!!), new weapons, more res and close to 11k hp unbuffed, I think we can do pretty good.

Its also made up of people who are somewhat reliable so I dont have to worry about it falling through. So far I definitely like the 3v3 better, its the first time ive really done it seriously on my rogue.

5v5 i've done on my pally, didnt like it at all. Of course i had a bullseye on me from the get go and was CCd the entire battle usually, might be different for a rogue.

If you gear is moderate, Frost Mage/Druid/Rogue. Such a good setup for 3s. As long as you all know how CC works, it's at least 1700 before it gets remotely difficult to the point you have to think.

LOL SAME

well either druid/mage/rogue

or mage/rogue/elem sham


both doing decent, we kinda mix the 4 people around, but HOLY **** did you know? a new ret pally will RUIN the **** out of your heal druid?

ugh that group was ***** tits to fight... ret pally, resto sham, frost mage

we droped from 1710 to like 1670 from them -_-

ret pally moves at 115% speed and stops a druid from moving faster then 108% ever (seal of justice)

earth shield stops us from bursting him down, we cant cc him enough to kill a mage in time (damn ES and focus'd healing)... and if we go for the sham we're open to polymorph


feel free to run through a fight and lemme know how to stop this, k?

CC rotations on the Mage and Pally while you kill the Shaman is the only way to win.

thank you for that myteddy, ill try it next time it comes up




and gaudian, i never fought the team... but lemme ask you

mage cc, sure possible... but then the mage can freely cc us? rogue cc 80% requires my dps to be on him... also letting the mage run rampant

so we figured he wasnt the biggest threat, but when the druid cant outrun him... we didnt quite figure it out how to do it.... your doing poorly made flames at my inexperience instead of just telling me how to fix it isnt wanted here, how bout that?

and ks him? seriously? your aware that requires me to put CP on him... so just about me dps on ret pally? if you didnt mean it like that its fine, but i question how aware you are of rogues

i armory'd your name, a see 1 70, a druid... so you prob aware of how that whole thing works... but better job describing how your team handles it would be nifto


ret pallys were always laughable dps at best, we underestimated the situation... they just seem very anti-drood now and we didnt quite know how to do it

Well, if your strategy got you stomped then you obviously didn't figure right, did you?


How about what? You think I care what you or anyone else on this board thinks of me? My stomping grounds are over on the Paladin boards. I only come over here periodically to annoy certain people. The Rogue class forums specifically on Allakhazam is one of the most toxic online circle-jerking cesspools I've had the unfortunate experience of coming across.

That said... I wasn't actually trying to flame you. Considering the nature of this board as a whole I'm surprised your skin isn't a little thicker, and I suggest you not get defensive so quickly. I said you need improvement. So what? I need improvement. There are very few people who can't afford to step up their game in some way.

Your team lost to the other team. There are two possible explanations for that. 1.) Your matrix is just inherently inferior and you're set up to lose anyways or 2.) you can change your approach somehow. If #1 isn't true then you need to at least try #2.


Yes, I know how CP gen works with Rogues... I wasn't trying to be overly specific or get into the fine if-they-do-then-you-do theorycrafting. My point is that even if you're not focusing on him, any CC you can throw on the Paladin is going to help prolong your Druid's life. Obviously it's needed if the Druid can't get away on his own and the Paladin is stomping him down.

Even if you don't/can't keep him locked down, just giving the Druid a few seconds to put some distance between the Pally and himself is going to force the Pally to chase him before he can resume offense, during which the Druid's DoT's can raise his life back up. Run around pillars, off and under bridges... anything and everything to just make the Pally's sustained offense that much harder.


None of my characters share my forum name, so if there are any Gaudion's in WoW, none of them are me.


Their offense has actually always been pretty decent... anything that'll stand there and go toe-to-toe with them in a straight-up slugfest actually has a better chance of losing than winning. Their weak points are a lack of mobility, inability to deal with CC, and the tendancy to run OOM.

i dont care bout flames, and i throw it all into 1 big pile if it isnt actual advice

that being said, there were laughable dps yes, ive never seen a pre-2.3 ret pally 1v1 a healer and win, ever..... im watching duels all the time, never see it happen

i know it isnt resto sham trying to 1h windfury a rogue down laughable, but considering its point is to melee dps... laughable fits it very well, as before 2.3, it did the worst good of it.... rogues and warriors clearly better, with enhance shamans being better even since luck WF crits and ruin a clothies world

underestimated the ret pally, simple enough

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myteddy, big helps, rate ups all round for ya

Oh BTW, it may help your "we can make step viable" campaign.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Black+Dragonflight&n=Ultimus

nice 3v3's, but with his gear he could probably be ranked speccing 0/0/0

I am only going to post this one more, seeing as how there is probably a laundry list of 'em:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Coilfang&n=Niceguy

a stout lolstep defender.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2007 3:40pm by DrMayhem

Edited, Nov 23rd 2007 3:40pm by DrMayhem