Haste ratingFollow

I think haste is more useful for a frost mage actually. You FB casting cost is lower to start with so more over a shorter period of time means more damage at the cost of mana, it moves you closer to fire in damage and mana usage.
It is often hard for a frost mage to totally go through all their mana in a fight... this moves you closer to being able to do this and moves you up the damage meter.. a fire mage using the same strategy would also move up the meter, but may find themselves manaless before the fight ends.

Frost mages are going to use freeze effects more... and of course... if your able to freeze stuff immobile with your frost bolts a certain X% of time you will freeze it more frequently over the course of a fight if you are throwing out more bolts over the time of the fight.

Also you have your cooldowns on some effects that can freeze/slow critters. If you are using cone of cold to slow groups as you blast them, you can get off more shots with spells that are hasted before and bettween cone of colds.

Don't forget haste also affects channeled spells now... so two blizzards off during a timespan when you could only get one blizzard off before is HUGE in a giant AV battle. Any situation where your lifespan is limited by time either from huge amounts of incomming damage effects or because enemy's are advancing behind the group you are attacking, or adds are being summoned into fight.. etc.. haste makes you more effective overall. Especially if its a suicide run already....

Lastly... hasted spells are harder to counter as well as harder to interupt. I think it has massive benefits outside of the simple increase in DPS.

Sorry, should have explained, the lines are named by the amount of rating you need for 1% - 12.6 is hit, 15.76 is haste, 22.08 is crit (hit > haste > crit).

There's a fact that fire do more damage then frost. But for 2 mage with the same gear around (1000+dmg) but one in fire and the other frost do you have some kind of number to show us what's the difference in term of dpm.

I don't have my spreadsheet accessible at home, but if I manage to remember, I can plug it in at work.

as long as your doing a good 600-700dps(varies depending on raids) it shouldnt really matter if your frost or fire, only if a frost mage is falling behind and doing much lower damage than everyone else(read. not just the fire mages, everyone)

if a fire mage outdamages a frost mage then you tell them to respecc, but if a fire mage outdpamages an elemental shaman(for example) would you tell the shaman to reroll?

The thing you have to remember though is this: a mage can respec to fire to do more damage, an elemental shaman can do the maximum amount of damage that they can as elemental. It is purely beneficial to the entire raid to be fire to do the most dps that you can. In very very seldom occasionals being able to snare/kite as a mage can be helpful, but 99% of the time you are there on a boss fight to do dps, and if you choose a build that does 100 less dps (or more) than another build then it isn't just hurting yourself, but the rest of the raid. Oh, and I would more be shooting for close to 800-1k dps.

You have a number crunch on that? Because I can tell you now that frost doesn't scale nearly as well.

Do you mean scale with icy veins (which of course fire mages can get too with a respec)?

However the reduction of cd on coldsnap (from what i read somewhere it should be from 8 minutes, with talents, to approx 6 min) will allow for an extra water elemental on some boss fights which should increase the frost dps slightly. Being that it was never far behind deep fire to start with, it should now become almost equal, or at least close enough to stop people from jammering about frost being sucky for raiding...



But no, nu number crunching of my own ;).