Wotlk brings us a tank/dps hybrid called the Death knight which give us a 4th competitor for tanking. Most of my warrior collegues i know whine about the fact they are loosing their precious job. A druid, prot pala or a death knight can tank as well as for Blizzard's goal was to give WoW 4 tank options and thus eliminate the tank scarcness.
I think the warrior tank will be the pref. tank the only change post wotlk will be the fact groups wont be searching that long anymore for a member capable to tank
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Hopefully the key word there wasnt 'capable'.
I've been a Prot specc Paladin for about 4-5months now. At the time, on my server Khaz'garoth, there was a huge demand for tanks and since then it seems there are too many fake hybrid (not specced to tank) and noob tanks so I decided to reroll and fix this problem for myself atleast.
I believe that although this might increase post WotLK due to people rolling the new class most will stick with what they know works: Warrior best single mob tank/boss tank; Paladin best multi trash mob tank; Druid best Offtank.
I heard that Death Knights will only be able to wield a 2H so how would they tank as well as a prot warrior or pally with a sword and board? (Or druid)
BTW can i ask has there been some sort of transition for warriors from being tanks to dpsing over the last year or so? Was going to create a post but thought i might just ask here.
Just my 2c worth
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Arthorius - Level 70 Human Paladin Khaz'garoth
arthoriuss wrote:
BTW can i ask has there been some sort of transition for warriors from being tanks to dpsing over the last year or so? Was going to create a post but thought i might just ask here.
Just my 2c worth
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Arthorius - Level 70 Human Paladin Khaz'garoth
Just my 2c worth
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Arthorius - Level 70 Human Paladin Khaz'garoth
i wouldn't call it a transition so much as people realizing that warriors are a viable DPS class.
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I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
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i wouldn't call it a transition so much as people realizing that warriors are a viable DPS class.
Indeed and now with the PvP mechanics many warrior's go for PvP/solo-dps specc.
I myself respecced arms/fury to make my life solo playing a lot easier. As a casual gamer i normally dont have the time to do instances let alone raid.
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heard that Death Knights will only be able to wield a 2H so how would they tank as well as a prot warrior or pally with a sword and board?
Blizzard intended the death knight to be a tank/dps hybrid so not the best option no but still another alternative for groups
Lonewarlord wrote:
WARRIORS TILL THE END
I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
Sigh. As a 70 warrior and a 70 paladin, I can say that this is a complete fallacy and there are many time that I've outshone any warrior tank. Shattered Halls was pretty much made for Prot Paladins, for example. Arthoriuss has the right idea when it comes to tank balance.
Well illidan was downed with a tankadin, proof for the tanking potentials
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Bah, its about pros and cons. The protadin alows more nuking on the offtargets. means that you can AoE any 5-man with a protadin and a healer with strong heals. Result: Faster run. But if you want to deal with concepts such as "the best tank" the answer is undoubtly "warrior" and will always be.
There has been an interview with the developening team of blizzard where you can read some about deathknights as tanks. They will of course have an ability that weights up for that they can use shield (like druids, they have uber armor). Also Ive hear that blizzard may remake the mechanics if Crushing blows in WotLK, means that you dont need the shield to push crush of the table anymore.
I do think that a Deathknight will be like a druid when tanking in a sense, they will be capable dps even in tanking gear and specc, so they will dps most of the time but take over as an of tank when needed. Also they will be capable of tanking the 5-mans and will do so when needed. =)
The inteview can be viewed here.
http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/features/deathknight/interview.xml?rhtml=y
There has been an interview with the developening team of blizzard where you can read some about deathknights as tanks. They will of course have an ability that weights up for that they can use shield (like druids, they have uber armor). Also Ive hear that blizzard may remake the mechanics if Crushing blows in WotLK, means that you dont need the shield to push crush of the table anymore.
I do think that a Deathknight will be like a druid when tanking in a sense, they will be capable dps even in tanking gear and specc, so they will dps most of the time but take over as an of tank when needed. Also they will be capable of tanking the 5-mans and will do so when needed. =)
The inteview can be viewed here.
http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/features/deathknight/interview.xml?rhtml=y
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Lonewarlord wrote:
WARRIORS TILL THE END
I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
I really don't want to lose my job as a tank lol. A lot of the time I get payed too. Anyways no Pally could ever beat a warrior. lol.
Sigh. As a 70 warrior and a 70 paladin, I can say that this is a complete fallacy and there are many time that I've outshone any warrior tank. Shattered Halls was pretty much made for Prot Paladins, for example. Arthoriuss has the right idea when it comes to tank balance.
tankadins = best tank for trash mobs. no cc? no problem!
prot warrior = best tank for single mob/boss
i've never played a pally past level 10, but iirc tankadins cannot apply the same debuffs that prot warriors can, and are mana dependent... OOM tankadin = ?
Edited, Nov 22nd 2007 9:59am by fromanthebarbarian
I was curious - I thought the Deathknight was a so-called "Hero" class. I'm not sure what the mechanic was behind this - but surely it means they are not a standard class and will have to be earned rather than given away like hallowsend candy? Or have I missed something?
The only thing I'd add is that in all the time I've been playing WoW, people I've spoken to view a warrior as a tank who tries to do other stuff, the other "tanking" classes being things who can tank if they spec up for it - which implies a tacit preference for a warrior as tank.
Despite sites like Alla educating folk - many players can't see beyond the two dimensional stereotypes (or what their cousin, who's played the game "like forever", says is true).
The only thing I'd add is that in all the time I've been playing WoW, people I've spoken to view a warrior as a tank who tries to do other stuff, the other "tanking" classes being things who can tank if they spec up for it - which implies a tacit preference for a warrior as tank.
Despite sites like Alla educating folk - many players can't see beyond the two dimensional stereotypes (or what their cousin, who's played the game "like forever", says is true).
You speak the truth. Death Knights are going to be a hero class, so you can be sure its going to be hard to get. Also, I believe that in an interview with the designers that death knights are going to be able to tank dual weilding. ill post the link when i find it.
For me, theres not really much of a difference when a Pally tanks and i dps, or the pally heals (me and a friend of mine, the pally, did a couple st, zf runs back to back). The dps was disiplined enough to attack the marked targets. The st run when he tanked it went faster, as st is mostly 5-6-7 mob pulls. ( we had a rogue, mage and a lock ) The pally was prot/holy and i was arms/fury.
Personally, I'm going to miss being able to put out TANK LFG (insert instance here) and getting a group asap. But im guessing warriors will still reign as tanks for most instances. The death knights are probably going to want to dps anyways.
For me, theres not really much of a difference when a Pally tanks and i dps, or the pally heals (me and a friend of mine, the pally, did a couple st, zf runs back to back). The dps was disiplined enough to attack the marked targets. The st run when he tanked it went faster, as st is mostly 5-6-7 mob pulls. ( we had a rogue, mage and a lock ) The pally was prot/holy and i was arms/fury.
Personally, I'm going to miss being able to put out TANK LFG (insert instance here) and getting a group asap. But im guessing warriors will still reign as tanks for most instances. The death knights are probably going to want to dps anyways.
It will be interesting to see where Deathknights will stand in a 5man anyway. I think rogues may be the ones more worried than anyone else that there is another possible melee dps'r coming to town.
From what I've heard speaking to others about this is that most people dont mind the extra options when it comes to tanking. If someone is LF a Tank, depending on the instance most will go for a warrior over the paladin or druid, except in those situations where we become a more viable option. ie Shattered Halls. So why would this change with another class?
"WARRIORS TILL THE END!"?
Lonewarlord if you dont want to lose your place as a tank in wow just be a good tank. People will invite you back if they think your any good.
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Arthorius - Level 70 Human Paladin Khaz'garoth
From what I've heard speaking to others about this is that most people dont mind the extra options when it comes to tanking. If someone is LF a Tank, depending on the instance most will go for a warrior over the paladin or druid, except in those situations where we become a more viable option. ie Shattered Halls. So why would this change with another class?
"WARRIORS TILL THE END!"?
Lonewarlord if you dont want to lose your place as a tank in wow just be a good tank. People will invite you back if they think your any good.
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Arthorius - Level 70 Human Paladin Khaz'garoth
I'd much rather have someone that's dedicated to tanking, no matter the class, than some who's only tanking because they can't get into a group/raid otherwise.
There are a lot of things I worry about in this world.
Not being able to get into a group because there are too many Death Knight tanks available is not one of them.
I agree that rogues will feel more competition than warriors from Death Knights.
It's *possible* that Death Knights will be so overpowered that there will be no need for warriors. But in that case typical groups would probably be
Death Knight - Death Knight - Death Knight - Death Knight - Priest.
It would be disappointing if Blizzard made Death Knights THAT overpowered.
I just don't see it happening.
Not being able to get into a group because there are too many Death Knight tanks available is not one of them.
I agree that rogues will feel more competition than warriors from Death Knights.
It's *possible* that Death Knights will be so overpowered that there will be no need for warriors. But in that case typical groups would probably be
Death Knight - Death Knight - Death Knight - Death Knight - Priest.
It would be disappointing if Blizzard made Death Knights THAT overpowered.
I just don't see it happening.
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