pally tank woes :: Free Realms

Quote Reply

#27 Nov 20 2007 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1592342161636

Scholar

1,503 posts

Quote:

And if 1 more person comes in and talks about on Raids how much Agro they put out I'm gonna laugh cuz it's right there for the third time, this isn't referencing Raids.

Quote:

While I made a sweeping generalization about Sal I was definatly talking originally to maskofdeath about a Mana Tombs group... A hunter DOES NOT NEED BoSalv in a Mana Tombs group.

oh well, finally you clearify things. if you woulda just done that 4 posts ago. i will agree with you now...a hunter on the 1st boss in regular mana tombs does NOT need blessing of salvation with a pally tank after casting 2 consecrates.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#28 Nov 20 2007 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1593366919775

Guru

3,339 posts

tzsjynx wrote:

I did Calc 1-3, DiffEq, Calc 4, Physics 1-3, Statics-Thermodynamics, and on into a whole mess of bullcrap I don't even want to speak about.

Quote:

It's really not that hard to figure out how not to get agro

For all that self-inflating math skillz crap you still don't get it.

No you're right, it's NOT that hard not to draw aggro. But if you can put out MORE dmg without doing so doesn't that result in, er, more damage quicker? Isn't that waht this is all about? People don't bring a mage for slow and careful DPS they bring the mage, for the boom, (ok and the water and utility but please) and salv ensures a bigger boom for the aggro.

What's your daggers skill, btw.

tommyguns wrote:

a hunter on the 1st boss in regular mana tombs does NOT need blessing of salvation with a pally tank after casting 2 consecrates.

Don't forget the DI on the healer.

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 10:04pm by Celcio

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#29 Nov 20 2007 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1592342161636

Scholar

1,503 posts

Quote:

Don't forget the DI on the healer.

sry, i dont have any reagents :/

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#30 Nov 20 2007 at 11:36 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1593366919775

Guru

3,339 posts

tommyguns wrote:

Quote:

Don't forget the DI on the healer.

sry, i dont have any reagents :/

Typical Ret pally Smiley: disappointed

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#31 Nov 21 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1591930790122

Scholar

468 posts

The RuenBahamut of Doom wrote:

chood wrote:

I ask for 3 consencrations then I immediately DI the healer...

i would just like to let you know that i can no longer particapate in this discussion due to the overwhelming need to laugh histerically when i read this quote. actually, can i put this in my sig?

go ahead, i'd be honored

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#32 Nov 21 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1591930790122

Scholar

468 posts

Why is this even being debated?

Less threat = more DPS

Sure everyone can manage threat and stay below the ceiling but at the expense of DPS. In some cases the loss may be minimal and a skilled player can still pump out some nice numbers without pulling hate but in most case you should have Salv on all DPS, imo.

What I usually do is on the fist couple of pulls I give everyone the blessing of choice but at the first sign of trouble I give them Salv. It's been my experience that it pays to try and keep everyone pleased.

Alot of it also depends on the tank. Is he overgeared/undergeared? Poorly specced? Retarded? If he has any threat generation issues then Salv for all.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#33 Nov 21 2007 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent

__DEL__1593375002704

Sage

3,801 posts

tzsjynx wrote:

Ok where did I have bad punctuation.

Ok, where did I have bad punctuation?

But seriously, if this debate is about 5-mans, get a feel for the group and what they need, and do blessings based on your opinion and needs at the time. There is no one silver bullet. I mean, just in tank terms, if your tank is getting spanked hard, use Light. If they need help with aggro generation, use Might. If some DPS is generating too much threat, use salv. If not, use Might/Kings/Wisdom.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#34 Nov 21 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good

__DEL__1593367430309

View User Forum

Scholar

881 posts

you know an internet argument is spent when you start battling over grammer . . 8)

Edit: um . . .spelling.

Edited, Nov 21st 2007 10:00am by RuenBahamut

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#35 Nov 21 2007 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1592342161636

Scholar

1,503 posts

Quote:

you know an internet argument is spent when you start battling over grammer . . 8)

you misspelled grandma.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#36 Nov 22 2007 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1592339865068

Scholar

2,183 posts

tommyguns wrote:

Quote:

you know an internet argument is spent when you start battling over grammer . . 8)

you misspelled grandma.

Finally, this thread is getting somewhere.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#37 Nov 24 2007 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1591916104952

Scholar

131 posts

Quote:

chood wrote:
I ask for 3 consencrations then I immediately DI the healer...

Quote:

i would just like to let you know that i can no longer particapate in this discussion due to the overwhelming need to laugh histerically when i read this quote. actually, can i put this in my sig?

Ahahahaha, I'm at work atm - sitting behind my computer laughing like a miniac.

Quote:

I come from EQ raiding (actually been a long long time now) but I learned the long hard way how to control agro... Real agro. Not this horse crap WOW has presented where you get dozens of insanely simple ways to get agro and keep it. EQ was a game where getting and securing agro while Debuffing and Slowing was a 10 part process that took minutes, and real DPS like Rogues and Wizards had to wait often 5+ minutes before throwing in some damage (it wasn't like mana regenerated in 10 seconds like WOW either.) Even in grind groups warrior would build threat for 30 sec to a minute, and again real DPS like Wizards wouldnt come in until 50%)

Then fly your broomstick back to everquest! *sight*

Edited, Nov 24th 2007 3:43am by ashbazg

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#38 Nov 27 2007 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1591951278740

16 posts

Quote:

Sorry mate, but this isn't EQ, and judging from what you're saying I'm glad it ain't. Far too "hardcore" and "leet" for me. Seriously, wait 5 minutes before DPS? Lemme go make coffee.

Good spell rotation will indeed maximize your damage output/threat ratio, but Salv will simply allow you to push it 30% further without pulling. Simple as that. Sure, Wis comes close second but, taking your Mage for example, you have Evocation to take care of mana regen so Wis should only be a bonus when available. In raid settings you're so likely to have both that it's not even worth discussing. In 5-man, you shouldn't run out of mana in a fight unless you're undergeared or use overly costly spells.

He is way exaggerating anyway, though it is a harder game no doubt.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#39 Nov 27 2007 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1591950819066

Scholar

34 posts

If I am not mistaken, Pandemonius is also a demon which allows the pally tank to use exorcism as well to attain agro. I have a 70 pally which I have chosen to go Prot specd with and I enjoy it a great deal. I have found that Pally tanks are as good or better than warrior tanks in 5-man instances simply for the fact they can hold more than 1 mobs with minimal problems. I do agree that you MUST have the gear and stats to be able to tank heroic or you will cost your grp a great deal of gold for repairs.

The idea of getting Honored and completing each instance before getting your Heroic key is a great idea IMO.

I bet you ask the hunter not to use Misdirecting Shot on the tank since there is no reason he cant control his agro. =)

Edited, Nov 27th 2007 10:56am by Jadbear

▲ Page top

pally tank woesFollow