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#1 Nov 19 2007 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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so i was petitioning a GM about a certain someone in gadgetzan killing people on top of the arena and getting away with it, when i looked at some of the Hot issues. I never petition GMs, so i looked at one of the top hot questions asked and it was "Can i dual wield ranged weapons?"

Are you serious? thats a hot top question?
#2 Nov 19 2007 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
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sadly, there are a lot of really stupid people who play...
#3 Nov 19 2007 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
A lot of people think it's trolls, but I beg to differ. There are so many people that really are that stupid, it makes me sad. Anyone who has actually watched television or left the house in the last ten years can attest to the dumbing down of our society. I'm about to bid this site farewell. There's nothing here anymore except idiotic topics like "What is the best race/class" and "I'm too stupid to read the instructions for x, explain it to me and dumb it down some". Even better are the retarded topics you can't even read, because people think it's acceptable to write in this ADHD shorthand that is so common today. Anyone who thinks something like "OMG WTF nub FTL! Fud PLZ, KTHNX" is a sentence is in a downward spiral of idiocy and in for a big surprise when they have to write something important, like a resume. I don't care what you water head crack babies think of me, just please learn that there is a difference between words like than/then & to/too/two.
#4 Nov 23 2007 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dual wield range weapons, what are they thinking? "Ok, lets just grab 2 arrows off my back with my feet, place them accuratly on the drawstrings and keep them in place, aim a powerful bow with one hand and my foot, pull back as far as I can with my feet, fire and hope it makes the 5 feet. Ok, lets do it again... oh wait, my pet killed it already..."

Unless they plan to run around like cowboys with 2 pistols yelling "Pew pew pew" the whole way, I just laugh at them and go along my merry way. Unfortunatly, I think this has been a hot topic for a little while. I just wonder what will be next. "Can I dual wield 2 handed weapons?" "Can I dual weild my pet?" "Why cant I put arrows in my gun?"

At least we all get some comic relief from these poeple.
#5 Nov 23 2007 at 2:19 AM Rating: Good
Unless they plan to run around like cowboys with 2 pistols yelling "Pew pew pew" the whole way,...thats a really good idea for WoW 2..
2 short guns with speed 1.40 ..and a rogue hunter.the ultimate weapon for spell class..oh i like it..and the idea of dual wield pets its nice..2 pets will be the nightmare of everyone...lol
#6 Nov 23 2007 at 2:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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dorogodess wrote:
Unless they plan to run around like cowboys with 2 pistols yelling "Pew pew pew" the whole way,...thats a really good idea for WoW 2..
2 short guns with speed 1.40 ..and a rogue hunter.the ultimate weapon for spell class..oh i like it..and the idea of dual wield pets its nice..2 pets will be the nightmare of everyone...lol
And thats why that question is there.
#7 Nov 23 2007 at 3:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Can I dual weild my pet?"

This had me in fits.
#8 Nov 23 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
dual wielding pistols would actually be a legitimate idea.
#9 Nov 23 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
Viash wrote:
dual wielding pistols would actually be a legitimate idea.
Of course it is. In a John Woo movie, or Crysis. I think you are missing the point here. We are Hunters. We hunt. Hell, the fact that we can dualwield onehanders is stretching the concept of a Hunter.

Besides, dualwielding pistols... ergh. I play a fantasy game, not a new Matrix ripoff.

And even though I personally despise reality points, dualwielding pistols in reality is a very very very bad idea.
#10 Nov 23 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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That is Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas or somethig like that, Got's to hold them guns sideways in yo hands to get the full effect dog. I am still trying to fire my cat off in my bow for that ranged claw DPS.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2007 1:00pm by Alverian
#11 Nov 23 2007 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
Exactly.
While we're at it, Dranei warriors should be able to perform a special ranged attack by picking up a Gnome Rogue and throwing it at a target. A la 'Fastball special'.
#12 Nov 23 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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In diablo 2, the barbarian class could DW throwing weapons. That may be what they're wondering.
#13 Nov 23 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
New hunter skill John Woo

"The hunter slows down time, diving to the side while firing both pistols"
#14 Nov 23 2007 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Only one thing to say about that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OMQiFS4DQ
#15 Nov 23 2007 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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dual wield pets its nice..2 pets will be the nightmare of everyone

GO BIG RED KITTIES GO!!!

I dont think dual wielding is stretching it to much, ex. Aragorn and Legolas(A "Ranger" and "Bow man") both dual wielded, Aragorns was a sword an dagger (Which is pretty factual and traceable through time), Legolas used two light scimitars.
Yes I know this isn't LOTR, but just referencing some things.

In D&D my char had a feat that would allow him to throw smaller allies, gnome/halfling fighters in spiked full plate are the ultimate throwing weapons.
#16 Nov 25 2007 at 12:59 AM Rating: Good
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dual pets is like... Ash dual-wielding pokeballs.

(if i dont get a rate-down for that, i'll be mad)
#17 Nov 25 2007 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont think dual wielding is stretching it to much, ex. Aragorn and Legolas(A "Ranger" and "Bow man") both dual wielded, Aragorns was a sword an dagger (Which is pretty factual and traceable through time), Legolas used two light scimitars.
Yes I know this isn't LOTR, but just referencing some things.


How much do you know about WoW? The hunter, rogue, shaman (if talented for it), and warrior classes can dual-wield melee weapons. The question is RANGED weapons.

And if you look at other blizzard games, i.e. starcraft 2 and diablo 2, you will see that it is possible in THOSE to dual-wield ranged weapons, the barbarian could DW throwing darts/axes (and had the ability to double-throw) and in SC2 the reaper will be DW pistols.
#18 Nov 26 2007 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Not that reality has any bearing on this discussion but did you notice that your character has to **** the rifle or pistol to fire it?

That would imply some kind of matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, single-action weapon. Can it be dual wielded? Firing rate of 3 seconds or less? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now in the old west, you could fan a gun for a fast firing time, but you had 6 shots, then reload. I suppose you could fan 1 gun, fan the other, then reload all 12... LOL!

Again, I'm just bringing up the irony that WoW has no actual connection with reality. Things are about balance. The reason, game wise, you can't dual wield guns is you can't reasonably dual wield crossbows or bows...

Remember, you have that cool Multi-shot ability and volley. John Woo would love to be able to pull something like THAT off reasonably.
#19 Nov 26 2007 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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How much do you know about WoW? The hunter, rogue, shaman (if talented for it), and warrior classes can dual-wield melee weapons. The question is RANGED weapons.


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Hell, the fact that we can dual wield onehanders is stretching the concept of a Hunter.

Ehem, just addressing a sub issue inside an issue.

Notice in diablo they were THROWING weapons. And the chars looked like retards dual wielding javelins in the throwing position.
#20 Nov 26 2007 at 4:07 PM Rating: Default
What Dar said. And the reason I think it is stretching it would be the whole Hunter name. We aren't Rangers or Archers. We are Hunters. Where Sword and Dagger, or even two Short Swords/Axes have been used in other settings, a Hunter is less likely to come into a fencing match with a prey. One longsword, a spear, an axe, all valid useful items for a Hunter. Two swords? Two axes? That's more of a Warrior thing if we are talking about the concepts of the classes.

Oh I don't mind dualwielding onehanders. Hell, I prefer doing it and I curse Blizzard into an early grave for itemizing Hunters in a way that makes dualwielding less efficient than using giant fugly axes or other Twohanders. But it doesn't really fit with the class, does it?
#21 Nov 26 2007 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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You mean that 1H get 42% the bonus (total 84%) a 2H does? I could be off by 1% but I forget.
#22 Nov 26 2007 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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skribs wrote:
In diablo 2, the barbarian class could DW throwing weapons. That may be what they're wondering.


Actually I was just thinking about this-

In Diablo a Barbarian could also Dual Wield 2 Handers
#23 Nov 26 2007 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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hmmmmm dual Legacies... +70 agi? i like it!
#24 Nov 27 2007 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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skribs wrote:
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I dont think dual wielding is stretching it to much, ex. Aragorn and Legolas(A "Ranger" and "Bow man") both dual wielded, Aragorns was a sword an dagger (Which is pretty factual and traceable through time), Legolas used two light scimitars.
Yes I know this isn't LOTR, but just referencing some things.


How much do you know about WoW? The hunter, rogue, shaman (if talented for it), and warrior classes can dual-wield melee weapons. The question is RANGED weapons.

And if you look at other blizzard games, i.e. starcraft 2 and diablo 2, you will see that it is possible in THOSE to dual-wield ranged weapons, the barbarian could DW throwing darts/axes (and had the ability to double-throw) and in SC2 the reaper will be DW pistols.


He was refering to North's statement that S/He felt that duel wielding in general seemed to be a bit of a stretch for a hunter.
#25 Nov 27 2007 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
i have a strong feeling that "Ranged" should be "Thrown" as no one in their right mind would wonder why one cant duel weild a bow . . or rifle.

and i really dont see why a hunter cant. last i check thrown weapons are not effective for anything anyway. or i would actually see people using them.

And the comment about the two hand duel weilding barbarian. it only worked for swords, and in that game the swords used are actual RL swords that are actually battle effective and balanced and all what ever. actually all of the weapons where RL weapons save for some of the Unique pictures.

looking as some of the swords in wow and you realize that some of the one handed swords in this game should not even liftable by any means had they exist in real life(i know this is a game and not real life). let along be swung by the handle with out your wrist snapping off.
#26 Dec 01 2007 at 5:57 AM Rating: Decent
One ranged weapon is good for me, if I had two of them, I would need two pets to keep aggro off me, then we'd be way OP. I take aggro away from tanks enough as it is, and one ranged weapon does it all the time.

Edited, Dec 1st 2007 8:59am by smackchumps

Edited, Dec 1st 2007 9:08am by smackchumps

Edited, Dec 1st 2007 9:08am by smackchumps
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