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#1 Nov 19 2007 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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So over the past couple of weeks I've picked up both Wolfsalyer's Sniper Rifle and Sunfury (I'm the only person in our raid that would use either even as just a stat stick, so yay me).

However, I thought had remembered Athien making the comment that Wolfslayer's was better than Sunfury so I investigated a bit at TKA and saw that they seemed to agree, as did my DPS spreadsheet.

However, I decided to do a bit of in-game testing and flew out to visit Dr. Boom, and over the course of several tests, lasting between 1 and 5 minutes, Sunfury consistently came out on top (sometimes up to 40DPS more). I do have a +12 scope on Sunfury vs a +10 on wolfslayer's, but I wouldn't expect that to make a difference of ~15+DPS, especially when my spreadsheet had wolfslayer's higher even with the weaker scope.

I assume it is do to latency and framerate causing the slower weapon to clip less, or is just the scope, or is there something that I am just missing entirely?

Edited, Nov 19th 2007 11:21pm by Ieatrocks
#2 Nov 19 2007 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix
Binds when picked up
Ranged Bow
169 - 314 Damage Speed 2.90
(83.3 damage per second)
+19 Agility
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 34.

Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle
Binds when picked up
Ranged Gun
149 - 278 Damage Speed 2.70
(79.1 damage per second)
+15 Agility
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 32.

Hmmm...I would like to know why wolfslayer is considered better, since the sunfury appears to have more DPS, more agility, more AP, and would have bigger hits since it's got an extra 20-36 damage.
Could I see the spreadsheet behind it?
#3 Nov 19 2007 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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http://forums.tkasomething.com/showthread.php?t=8616

That is the spreadsheet I was using.
#4 Nov 19 2007 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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WHat spec are you, what kind of rotation did you use? Armory? WWS? 1-5 mins samples aren't enough.
#5 Nov 19 2007 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Feathermoon&n=Rockcelot

Shot rotation I was just doing auto/steady, and tried several variations on popping BW, rapid fire, and trinkets in different orders and at the same time.

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 1:19am by Ieatrocks
#6 Nov 19 2007 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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One of the most common reasons for mysterious DPS differences is weapon skill. Do you have max weapon skill with both bows and guns?

edit: nevermind. It IS a reason that it could happen, but I see on your armory that you DO have max skill with both.

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 1:17am by ProjectMidnight
#7 Nov 20 2007 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
skribs wrote:
Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix
Binds when picked up
Ranged Bow
169 - 314 Damage Speed 2.90
(83.3 damage per second)

Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle
Binds when picked up
Ranged Gun
149 - 278 Damage Speed 2.70
(79.1 damage per second)


Look at the spread between the min/max base damage on both weapons:

Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix: 145 (+/- 25 dps relative to tooltip)
Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle: 129 (+/- 23.8 dps variance relative to tooltip)

Not much, but that's a start...a weapon with a tighter spread will likely come in higher on the dps in a smaller than ideal sample (say, less than 1000 shots).

Also, the delay on the Wolfslayer is about 93% that of the Sunfury. That means that if you were to start a stopwatch and auto-shoot a target for 3 minutes with each weapon, the Wolfslayer would get ~7% more shots, which is 7/100 extra shots that can crit and boost your overall dps.

Also, as long as the slower weapon isn't clipping auto-shots with steady shot, you're going to be firing 7% more steady shots if you do a consistant auto/steady rotation.

It depends a great deal on spec (influencing R.Att speed) and a number of other factors that make it so a straight comparison of tooltip dps on each weapon isn't a guarantee of reliable outcomes, but generally speaking, a faster weapon that still allows you to maintain an unclipped Auto/Steady rotation is going to yield higher damage than a slower one.
#8 Nov 20 2007 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Also, as long as the slower weapon isn't clipping auto-shots with steady shot, you're going to be firing 7% more steady shots if you do a consistant auto/steady rotation.
And thats why wolfslayer is better.
More steadyshots = more dps.
#9 Nov 20 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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For BM, especially with all the haste gear that's coming out, I'd probably go with the sunfury though. my 2.8 speed crossbow from attumen already makes it hard to use rapid fire, I wouldn't want to go any faster then that.

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 10:19am by Xsarus
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#10 Nov 20 2007 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't kick either out of bed for eating crackers...

At +/-5dps imperical the difference in basically meaningless. Again, as Xsarus points out, it depends if the weapon can be played to its theoretical maximum.

And just because you should have .1 seconds of perfect timing left, doesn't mean you can use it. I know I can't use anything that doesn't give me about a half second of playtime on the left over side. Anything tighter and my dps would actually drop over all because I'd be clipping either my autoshots or my steady's.
#11 Nov 20 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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They are so close that it really doesn't matter. I would take the Wolfslayer any day just because its a revlover styled rifle.
#12 Nov 20 2007 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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I hate gun noises.
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#13 Nov 20 2007 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate gun noises.

2nd...
Can't use a gun while i have the WoW sounds on. unfortunate, because i can make the new ammo pouches but not the new quivers.
#14 Nov 21 2007 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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sloshot wrote:
Again, as Xsarus points out, it depends if the weapon can be played to its theoretical maximum.


I suspect this is the heart of the matter. After several more tests (I even went out and bough some fel mana pots just for this) Sunfury is still consistently coming out on top, though not by a huge margin.

<shrug>

Wolfslayer's looks sexy, but I hate the gun noises.

Sunfury wins.
#15 Nov 21 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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if im not mistaken the difference could, with talents,gear and optimal rotation be as high as 20dps. hardly what i would call a small diffrence, atleast not while im trying out gems/gear to get that 1dps extra :P

but as many already said, it depends alot on the rotation(lag)gear and spec.
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